Tool Storage

[Seanz0rz]

I?m in the process of redesigning the way I package my tools and other kit for living in the back of my 4Runner. Post up pictures of your packing style and what you typically bring on day trips, etc, and then help me with my problem.

In an effort to trim down the weight and volume of the stuff that travels with me in the 4Runner, I've begun the process on pairing down the tools I bring. Right now I have 4 ammo cans, a Plano tool box, and a wrench box holding tools and supplies:

Ammo can 1: Recovery gear - 2 tow straps, one shackle (other on bumper), snatch block, winch control
Ammo can 2: sockets 1/2" drive and 3/8" drive sets
Ammo can 3: compressor - perfect for just the compressor
Ammo can 4: Etc. - fix a flat, road flares, super siphon
Tool box - wd40, gloves, rtv, pry bar, screw drivers, channel locks, goop hand cleaner, zip ties, assorted tire repair products, rope, tape, etc.
Wrench box - metric combo wrenches, and metric and standard ratcheting wrenches.

I am interested in reducing specifically the sockets and wrenches, but not so much in reducing what I bring, but reducing their footprint in the back. Currently I have 4 'fat' .50 Cal ammo cans that I store my stuff in. Their approximate dimensions are 12"L x 7" W x 8.375"H. Inside, take an 1/8th from those dimensions.

I'd like to be able to fit both socket sets (as I currently do) and the wrench set(s) in one ammo box. In addition, I?d like to not have to dig under a bunch of stuff to find the box I need or have a box full of mixed up sockets.

I have seen the 3 layer organizers on the market that fit the regular .50cal boxes, but they are slightly too small for my boxes, and they seem like they would not very efficiently meet my needs. I am thinking of making my own however, and I?m working on designs for those.

Ideas?

[4x4mike]

I'm on my phone right now but have some to add to this and some pics. When the kids go to sleep I'll post up.

[corax]

do you have any prejudice against soft tool bags? The ones below are the exact 2 I have. In one bag is a long & short 3/8" ratchet, 3"/6"/9" extensions, wrenches, metric deep & shallow sockets (8mm-19mm), relevant screw drivers, ball peen hammer, small needle nose vice grips, channel locks, pliers, needle nose, and wire cutter. The other bag is assorted nuts/bolts, wire ties, silicone "rescue" tape, test light, spare drive belt, gas tank repair epoxy, JB Kwik, and a few other bits and pieces. I can remove or overhaul anything in the truck with the tools in the first bag, both bags take about the space of one .50 cal ammo can and can fit in all sorts of places.

http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/post-cheapbags.jpg

[Seanz0rz]

im not super crazy about soft sided bags. i have a couple that i use for house calls, but they usually end up as a bag of junk with some tools at the bottom. i can never find anything when stuff like that is loose. hell i have a hard time finding sockets in my small plastic boxes i keep them in now. id really prefer something like a portable version of this for sockets: http://www.amazon.com/Pc-Hansen-Socket-Tray-Organizer/dp/B000VSDKS0
and something like this for wrenches: http://www.craftsman.com/craftsman-foam-drawer-organizers/p-00965417000P?vName=Storage+%26+Garage&cName=Tool+Storage&sName=Tool+Storage+Accessories&prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=L2

i have some ideas on how to make that happen with some custom boxes. im working on some sketches now and tomorrow i might lay them out and work some details out.

i like the idea of a custom, fitted solution so i can see what is missing at a glance.

[4x4mike]

Let me start by saying I love tools. I love working on things and I like fixing things. I also don't really like relying on others to fix things for me.

As such I've carried many tools around for various reasons and in various forms. I've also learned a lot and will take you on my journey.

I used to have a full sized Chevy truck with a cross bed tool box. I loved that box for no other reason than that I could fill it stuff. I had everything in there. Tell me to drive cross country, I was ready. Tell me to get stuck or stranded in any weather, I was ready. Tell me to fix or take something apart, you get the idea. A couple of issues of my setup. It was heavy, it was worth a lot of money and stood the risk of being stolen and for the most part I only used 10%of the stuff maybe 5% of the time. I had recovery tools, hand tools, air tools, food, water, first aid, clothes, bike tools, tarps, flares, everything.

The Box:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wMCGFDZpaFM/T-qNQW7tkfI/AAAAAAAAvXc/NYYuK_c8WdA/s800/adfgdfgdg.jpg

This was one of two boxes in the box. One 3 drawer and one 2 drawer.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-bfMVoIRksAo/T-qNQ8QTHeI/AAAAAAAAvXk/ajG-RxDgLcM/s800/zxdfdsds.jpg

Stuff:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xNy4l5S8lh4/T-qNRVj9OsI/AAAAAAAAvXs/C18wtegygMo/s800/fgdfgdg.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-k6KqeewqOOg/T-qNSJDWKhI/AAAAAAAAvX0/887fSqMDm10/s800/gdfgdfgd.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-yH8pmqtxjII/T-qNSpzW22I/AAAAAAAAvX8/x3T6-CCqzgY/s800/dfgdfgd.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DzsO4mBXQOo/T-qNTJ8xdXI/AAAAAAAAvYE/UEXuHX_vzCE/s800/dfgdfgdg.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ovC-NKFOmDA/T-qNTiaiYpI/AAAAAAAAvYM/vlc3mWeHtAk/s800/dfgdfgdfg.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lCtdfUCo7ho/T-qNUErVtsI/AAAAAAAAvYU/xiAQQG6IGfo/s800/dfgdfgdfgdfg.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X_yTdKEBnaA/T-qNUsEOmBI/AAAAAAAAvYc/1DvqfWQH64E/s800/fghfghf.jpg

That just gives you an idea of some of the stuff I carried, everyday. The truck was big, got 15 mph no matter what, I was single and it was my thing. Everything was organized but it was a lot of stuff and not always used.

I went from that truck and setup to a 3rd gen 4Runner. While I really wanted the 4runner it was a little clown car in comparison. If I stuck all that stuff from the box and what I carried behind the seat the passenger and cargo area would be full and I'd need a supercharger just to get around.

As such I pared down. I was no longer a traveling bike mechanic/fix it man. I carried stuff I never needed and left it at home. I got rid of duplicates and some items that had only one use. I also got more multi use tools in an effort to save space. Another thing I did was get cheaper tools. This allowed me to get more but I was able to keep my nicer stuff at home. That way I wasn't as worried to loan stuff out or modify it in the field to make it work. If a wrench was too long to fit in the kit I would cut it or cut stuff I didn't need.

[4x4mike]

One thing about the 3rd gen was that it had things my truck didn't. It had room under the front seats, the rear passenger seat and the cargo area. I've made the most out of these areas to hold things I carry everyday. Even though I don't need them everyday I may need to pull a Bob98SR5 and pull some cute girls junk off the road in the middle of the night after a sweaty workout.

Anyways, without going into a lot of detail I've got a tire kit, FAK, flashlight, cb and air hose under the front seats. Under the rear passenger seat I have a rain jacket, 4 high quality 1" ratchet straps, an 800w inverter, the jack, after market X tire iron, and some flares. In the rear cargo box, which I've modified to make more room, I have a ton of stuff. 30' ARB strap, fire extinguisher, super siphon, 2 pairs of work gloves, 2 shackles, hitch shackle holder, 2 hitch pins, digital multi-meter, empty Platypus water bladder, flares, 50' of 550 cord, thick zip ties, JB weld and some rags. The door on that cargo compartment barely stays on.

In the glove box I have a small zipper pouch with a Leatherman, metric Allen key set, 4" adjustable wrench, 2 seal picks, telescoping magnet, fuses, a few springs, wire, bailing wire and more zip ties.

I feel with this stuff always loaded I can go most places and feel comfortable. Some days I have a few more items but unless I'm hitting the road for a ton of miles or a hard trail (even a day trip close to home) I don't carry anything else and haven't needed to.

I used to carry a lot of hand tools on an everyday basis in a soft bag but like the truck I never really needed it and it weighed about 35 pounds. Plus it took up space on the floor of the cargo area that I used for other stuff on a daily basis.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3bvi2ETyJOY/SftUsEQHl0I/AAAAAAAAIy8/mqSMMjpg5CA/s800/P4300480.JPG

Now I've gone with tool rolls for the extra items. I've got two rolls and I won't lie, they are heavy. I used to love ammo cans. At one time I probably had 20 and I used them for everything. They were strong and sealed but heavy, would scratch stuff and kind of became a pain. Since I travel with two car seats and kids with little legs I usually put the rolls on the floor of the passenger area or stuffed in a cranny in the cargo area. Somewhere that is easy to get to. Some items that don't fit in the rolls that I may also pack are a hammer (or 2), pry bar, breaker bar and code reader. Most anything else I could bum off of someone or I could get at a store. Worse case senerio I have to be towed home, been there done that. No amount of tools can fix every problem.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7Immb6_vgbo/TtFuKuPzEjI/AAAAAAAAq0o/mWYSHghm2tI/s800/IMAG0443.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W0vw-Z50NX8/TtFuLLBfomI/AAAAAAAAq0s/4CNP0P_BCcw/s800/IMAG0444.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W49HT7_UqXY/TtFuLR8WOdI/AAAAAAAAq0w/A61GclP5dUA/s800/IMAG0445.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8hk-6jYmG60/TtFuLy-Gb0I/AAAAAAAAq00/cKqX48sQSDs/s800/IMAG0447.jpg

These hold most of what I need, even little nuts and bolts, springs and pins. I got rid of a ton of stuff that wasn't needed. I used to have everything for myself and others but realized I could get away with less and sometimes people needed to take care of themselves. An entire set of open ended wrenches is overkill if you only use a few. I trimmed down those and just added extensions and a wobble. Those combined with the 4" adjustable and 10" adjustable (that opens to 20mm) can take care of so much more and can get the job done enough to hopefully get home.

[4x4mike]

Sean, the Hanson trays are nice but aren't going to help much on a trail repair. How many different sockets do you think you need? How many wrenches? Those trays are large and expensive. Get the socket rails from HF for $.99 and cut to fit.

My shovel for instance. I don't use it much but have it with me all the time. It's small and even when I've been stuck (not snow) I haven't wished for a larger one. If there is snow I have a backcountry snow shovel I throw in the back. I sharpened one side of the shovel to a knife edge so it can cut brush or roots. My saw is a Sven and it's always in the rig because it takes up no room under the cargo mat. Small and useful.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-azf1RYVrfoc/SftU8qDsWvI/AAAAAAAAI0o/XmLvFZANafM/s800/P4300492.JPG

Gerber NATO shovel, super high quality and strong.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k_j--2fIAjA/SftVA1I7aRI/AAAAAAAAI08/ZZ79anvbZNg/s800/P4300494.JPG

http://www.svensaw.com/index.htm

http://www.rei.com/product/404013/sven-folding-saw-21

Another thing I did was fill the empty threaded holes in the engine compartment on the inner fenders. There were probably 8 or 10 empty holes. Fill with the appropriate bolts, maybe add a few washers and lock washers and you've saved yourself some room and weight in your tool bag or box, plus you know they'll always be there. Ditch the regular sized pliers in your bag for a Leather man. It replaces a knife, pliers, small screw driver, small file, etc. Save the extra room from something the Leatherman isn't like Channel locks or vise grips, a large screwdriver that can be used as a pry bar or lever as well.

These are just my ideas and things I incorporate. The 3rd gen is just a little small for a traveling family so I have to make the most out of the room. As the kids get bigger it's hard to say if packing for a trip will take up more or less room.

[4x4mike]

Post up pictures of your packing style and what you typically bring on day trips, etc, and then help me with my problem.



Here is a pic from a trip from last year. You can see into the back of my 4runner. That's all my stuff for a weekend of wheeling and sleeping at 8,000 feet, under the red cargo net. There is a small ice chest, box of food, folding chair, large rectangular milk crate of firewood, tools, clothes and sleeping stuff.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-94XcrluolT4/TpzlzX-_rdI/AAAAAAAAppw/Pf2cwbXqqUk/s800/DSC_0627.JPG



This is for a family of 3 and without putting the seats down. Trip was around 400 miles round trip and 3 days of car camping with a toddler.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HBMFkkH4GnM/Tm5Nt5CxfHI/AAAAAAAAo4Q/49D6tj4BOtM/s800/IMAG0126.jpg


This is also for 3 people, seats up but with a 1.5 year old (much different than toddler).

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vNwUQX41tX4/TGhFGf83k5I/AAAAAAAAoL4/2rlX_T-7a84/s800/0716001637.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--jehVDNsUi8/TGhFHFLQ-yI/AAAAAAAAoL4/e5QIDw4Kl8s/s800/0716001639.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cYT3uslXbw8/TGhFIIEGH3I/AAAAAAAAoL4/Ppzlv6BAkU8/s800/0716001639b.jpg

Again, 3 people (one around 1 year old) but about 500 miles.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mg9gygRJxGw/SsGGouWJASI/AAAAAAAALro/va_EM8of-pU/s800/DSC_0015.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--ajclG2Nnf8/SsGGizsdPEI/AAAAAAAALp4/P5jGqqruxCM/s800/DSC_0001.JPG


These pictures are just showing my typical use and room or lack there of for stuff and how I cope.

[slomatt]

I'm a big fan of tool bags as well since they pack into smaller spaces and they muffle the sounds of tools clunking. When I had my ZJ I used to joke that I carried a spare truck around with me, and given that it was a Jeep many of those parts got used. Here's just a partial list of what I used to carry on offroading trips.

- Puma air compressor and tank and air hoses.
- High lift jack.
- Recovery strap and shackles.
- A metric ton of tools in a 4 drawer chest.
- Electric drill
- Impact wrench
- Jack stands
- Spare fluids (transmission, oil, brake, etc)
- Spare parts (CVs, ignition, thermostat, front wheel bearings)
- Sledge hammer
- Pry bars
- Jumper cables

There was a bunch more, but those are the big items. Combined with a 90lb 33x12.5 spare tire they took up a ton of room in the back of the truck. I eventually got bored with the Jeep breaking down every month so I sold it and bought the 4runner, and while setting up the truck I made it a point to minimize what I carried day to day.

Now I leave the spare fluids, impact, drill, highlift and several other tools at home and I've attempted to integrate the other items into the truck so they take less room in the trunk. I've got a plastic box under the front seat that holds small items like shackles, duct tape, tire patch kit, fuses, spare relay, teflon tape, zip ties, bailing wire, and a whole bunch of other small quick fix items. The storage box in the hatch holds the recovery strap, mounting gear, and gloves. The air compressor is mounted behind a panel in the hatch. And I've got a small toolbag in my cargo drawer.

I'm still determining exactly what tools I "need" and am trying to keep it to a bare minimum, this includes only carrying metric because it's a Toyota. I've got an extendable 1/2" ratchet from harbor freight, a set of 1/2" sockets from 10-22mm, a set of adapters (1/2 to 3/8, etc) in case I add smaller sockets, a set of various 3/8" extensions (work with the 1/2" ratchet using the adaptors), 6-19mm open end wrenches, a combination screwdriver, a large flathead screwdriver, pliers, crescent wrench, and some hex wrenches. On "hard core" trips I throw in a few more items such as a socket for the axle nuts. Every time I work on the truck I try determine if I could do the same job just using what's in the toolbag.

Anyway, that's a bit of an aside, you were asking specifically about tool storage. As I mentioned I'm a big fan of tool bags because they fit into odd shaped areas. I agree that they can make it difficult to find tools, and what I like to do is put the sockets on plastic rails in the bottom of the bag, wrenches in tool rolls above those, and then misc other tools in the pouches on the bag or in other rolls. As long as everything is separated into groups it's pretty easy to find what you are looking for. I try to avoid having tools just floating around in the bag by themselves.

- Matt

[paddlenbike]

^^
I travel with these guys, therefore I bring my wallet and a pack of gum.

Seriously, I feel really under-prepared now. I've been driving Toyota trucks since 1993 with no failures, so I guess I've gotten lazy about lugging around a bunch of stuff. Not a good plan.

What I do carry:
flashlight
minimal first aid kit
blanket
rope
tow strap
2 ratcheting cam straps
hitch pin
paper maps
air compressor & sidewall repair kit
a few zipties & duct tape
work gloves
small inverter
box end wrench set
fuses

All of those items are stored under the front seats, under the rear seats with the jack and in the rear cargo area. The only item I can't completely hide is my small MV50 compressor.

what I should add to my collection, at a minimum:
flares
cheap-o socket 3/8" set, one short and one long extension, 3/8" and 1/2" drive ratchet along with a 1/2-3/8" converter
extra supercharger belt
screwdrivers (why I'm not carrying this now, idk)
pliers & needle nose
rtv
wire, wire cutters, electrical tape
cheap multimeter
maybe a code reader for long trips
electrical contact cleaner for MAF
epoxy
random sized hose clamps

[4x4mike]

If I broke CV's or other items I would carry spare parts and the tools to change them but that isn't they type of wheeling I'd like to do and I try to keep up on maintenance. One benefit of traveling with like vehicles is that someone is bound to have what you need and or know how to do something you don't. Between a couple rigs it's possible to keep them all going one way or another.

Unless you're with Ken it seems like. All you can do is try to get him drunk, eat his gum and maybe BBQ him if things get really bad :tongueout:

On a daily basis or quick day trips I throw a duffel in the back with assorted items. None are tools but just stuff to rough it for a couple of nights or maybe help someone who is stranded, may become stranded or unprepared.

Flares are great tools. They can be used for signaling, fire starting, safety or starting an impromptu BBQ of unprepared wheeler.

[CJM]

In all honesty I carry a TON of stuff in my crossbed toolbox. From recovery gear (chains and straps), a real shovel (its an old one I cut down and modified), to tools, some fluids, various other gadgets, etc. I find I use mostly everything I have, for instance I have this cheapo HF fluild transfer pump. Yea it leaks somewhat while using but its handy. I got 4x4 blocks for the jack and other uses, got rope, ratchet straps, etc.

I also have my work toolbox with me unless Im at work (I also have a large stanley socket set in one of those folding plastic blow molded things, gotta get a small toolbox for it honestly takes up too much space). In my work box I have used EVERYTHING at least once if not all the time. Remember I do roadside service and trust me those items have come in handy. I was able to change out my leaf spring bushings the other day with just that box and a friends 1/2 drive ratchet. In the box is the following:


1/4 and 3/8 socket setups (up to 19mm and SAE)
sae and metric wrenchs (from 6mm to 15mm and SAE
6" and 8" crescent wrench
various screwdrivers, I honestly LOVE the flip type with bits on each end so long as I dont need to beat on it with a hammer
20oz ballpeen
12" prybar and 12" flathead
razor knife
various bits of electrical wiring and fuses and connectos
cheap crimper
electrical tape
duct tape
side terminal bat wrenches and side term adapters (for jumping)
test light
mini hacksaw
various vise grips, pliers, channel locks, dikes
pick tools
cable cutter
etc, im sure Im forgetting something


That box must weigh 20lbs and the plastic is literally breaking apart from use. Really wanted to find an older craftsman metal box cause I know they are sturdy but eek they rust in and out, mines a flambeau with special anit rust coating inside.

I have use those tools from everything from changing a starter on the side of the road to putting on an alternator, to changing out ball joints, etc. Its my go to box and it honestly has most everything you need to do alot of stuff. The only other item that I love having with me is my snap on 1/2 cordless impact setup and impact sockets. WELL worth the money, you have no idea how handy that sucker is! I swear I love having it. No air, no hoses, no electric-you can even get a 12v charger!

But yea, I honestly can fix most stuff with that setup. Maybe not some complex jobs but Im sure I can change out a CV axle with it and I know I can change out a hub, mounts of various sorts and other stuff on the T100 with it cause Ive done it. I have a full chest of tools in my basement on par with what a tech would have and I always use that box.

[troyboy162]

I've gone the soft tool bag route too. It is not very organized but allows me to take the most tools in the least amount of space. two bags for tools, one big one for recovery gear. kinda sucks when I have to dig through for the right tool, but my "gear" takes up too much room already. Thank god I dont have a jeep!

oh and I have a nice tire plug kit but when ever I look at it I always think how wasteful it is on space. The thing could fit in a sandwich bag instead of the huge case.

[paddlenbike]

As far as non-wheeling related camping stuff, this is what the two of us bring.
Tent, thermarests, sleeping bags, pillows, camp chairs, 5 gal water, 2-burner Coleman stove & 2 bottles of fuel, gas lantern, briquets, camelbaks, icechest, and our camping box with misc stuff like table cloth, dishes, small hatchet, soaps/sponges, cutting board, silverware, mosquito repellant, sun shower, bbq brush, paper towels, tp, paper plates, ceran wrap/tinfoil/sandwich bags, water kettle, 2 fry pans and a sauce pot, lighters, etc. Missing from the photo are 2-3 grocery bags of food, a box of firewood and a small duffle bag each of clothes.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8JbMcm4QBD4/T-u0TicI41I/AAAAAAAAG2E/-7ZubZVwK0Y/s640/DSC_0270.JPG

We are lacking a nice folding table, other than that, we feel like we have enough stuff to be comfortable in the backcountry.

[Seanz0rz]

ok well i spent a little bit of time playing around with what i want to do.

basically, i want to build 4 "drawers" that will pull out of my ammo box and carry all my tools. in the following pictures, there is an outline of the inside dimensions of these drawers that i have test fit the tools into.

first drawer - sockets.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMG_3965.jpg

this is a mostly complete (i'm missing a 13mm 3/8" drive socket) representation. this is both my 1/2" drive and 3/8" drive sets, sans deep sockets (except my 22mm impact socket, which i could remove)

the outside width of this "drawer" would be 2 inches.

second and third drawer - metric wrenches:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMG_3966.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMG_3967.jpg

you can see that there is some considerable room on these two drawers for small parts pockets, etc. OW is 1.25 inches for each

fourth drawer - ratcheting wrenches:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMG_3968.jpg

i am missing one wrench from that picture, but it is very small and should fit in no problem. OW is 1 inch.


"drawers" would be made of 1/8" ABS plastic, lined with heavy closed cell foam cut to fit and padded with open cell foam to hold everything in. sockets would likely have posts to fit over.



maybe carrying 2 sets of sockets and 2 sets of wrenches is overkill. i've included sizes i do not need, but often come up working on Euro or Domestic metric vehicles (13, 15, 18mm) and the standard stuff is to cover my butt, and fix the few bolts that are on my truck that came from mcmaster or the hardware store. if i can get this all to fit inside an ammo can neatly, then i dont care about carrying the little bit of extra weight to be well prepared. i have at one point in time used nearly everyone of these wrenches while working on my truck, and most of those out in the field at one point or another.

[2ndGen]

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu105/nwstindy/fs/CIMG0454.jpg

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu105/nwstindy/fs/CIMG0455.jpg

[Crinale]

This thread makes me feel incredibly unprepared.. I need to start working on building a vehicle kit. My 4runner was better prepared than my Taco is currently, but I haven't done anything other than Mojave road in it yet. I'm planning to build a good tool kit soon, and have some ideas for storage of certain things.

My mv50 is incredibly awkward, and I'm kinda worried about it in my crossbed box. I think I want to hard mount it under my hood (3rz gives lots of extra space under there ^_^). And those tool rolls are cool, I think I'm gonna look into a few of those.

Being a Tacoma is both good and bad for storage space. My bed gives me TONS of accessible space over what a 4runner has, but being a regular cab, VERY little secured storage. I have some plans to custom build lockable storage into the front portion of the bed, but that's another thread entirely XD

[kafene]

^^
I travel with these guys, therefore I bring my wallet and a pack of gum.


LMAO! Hahaha...

[kafene]

This thread makes me feel incredibly unprepared..


Seriously, right?!

[Seanz0rz]

thanks for the bump! I still plan on doing something about all this. Look for more info in the coming months.

[4x4mike]

Funny you came back to this Mark and Sean. I was just going to post the link in Mark's post.

My setup hasn't changed but I do plan to add a few more bits to the tool wraps but really I just need more pictures to show everything. Small bolts, nuts, bailing wire, zip ties, little springs and some thinking out of the box can get you home or make fixing something a little easier.

[troyboy162]

I dumped most of my stuff in a Hardig case now but I'm not sure I like the set up. Only good part is I can turn it on edge and my gear sprawl can be contained verticaly.

[Crinale]

I forgot about this thread.. This will probably be a project for winter/spring for me.

[troyboy162]

found cheap $7 organizers at home depot last night. they have been a big help in organizing my soft tool bags. Time will tell how well they hold up but they seem reasonably tough enough.
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/8d/8d3f4683-04d4-43a0-9d71-f1aa0bb5edb0_300.jpg
http://www.homedepot.com/buy/husky-3-pack-organizer-82010n11.html#.UOifRmzLSYU

[4x4mike]

I have a few sets of those bags and the only thing I don't like is that they are too stiff. It's not bad if they are full but half full being stuffed in another bag they take up a lot of room.

[Seanz0rz]

So I think I am ready to start to tackle this problem again.

I have since made a smallish change to how I store my tools. I now have a very nice Plano weather resistant tool box that all my odds and ends go into. However, I am still struggling with organizing the wrenches and sockets. I would like to better utilize my ammo cans as well.

Still not sure how I should go about building the organizers that I need. Plastic is probably the easiest option, but I am also looking into wood and sheet steel.

Any ideas?

[4x4mike]

Without making a "system" too large I find it best to ditch containers and organizers. I would use a carabiner or something similar to keep all the wrenches in one place. Even if they are in a box you can remove them all at once. They are still in one piece too so they would be harder to loose. For sockets I'd get some socket rail from HF and cut them to fit inside of your kit.

Like I've mentioned before I like multiuse tools for trail tools as they take up less space and you don't have to remove everything from home for a trip.

[CJM]

Harbor freight has the plastic socket racks, all I will use these days. They are cheap enough at HF to buy a whole bunch and have enough socket holders and rails.

[Seanz0rz]

I actually found something that should work very well. I will post up tomorrow.

[Seanz0rz]

Both socket sets (minus some specialty sockets that will be relocated elsewhere):
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0082.jpg


more details to come!

[Seanz0rz]

So here are the details:

I was looking for a way to organize my tool box, which is a medium sized ammo can. I like these because they are very strong, air/water tight, fit nicely under my sleeping platform/cargo divider, and can be used for other things besides a tool box.

My original idea was to make boxes that fit inside the ammo can so I could organize my sockets and wrenches, plus other tools and supplies. Making the boxes would be time consuming.

I found that I could fit, with a little room to spare, 4 of these: http://www.planomolding.com/product.php?BCCID=138&PID=745

I went to Bass Pro Shop to look around and they happened to have a 4 pack of those (or very similar) for ~$18. Price was good enough for me!

I set about organizing my sockets first. I knew I would have to leave a couple out of this particular box, and that was OK. I managed to fit all but a couple, but still had to cut some dividers out. Apparently my right hand was angry at my left, and I slipped with the knife and nearly took the tip of my left index finger off. It bled pretty bad and is still pretty sore, though not bad enough for stitches.

Sockets:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0086.jpg

Some sockets are stacked inside other sockets, but the fit is pretty good!

Next I moved on to the wrenches:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0085.jpg

I decided to stop carrying 2 complete sets of wrenches, and chose to adopt my ratcheting set in metric and SAE as my vehicle set. You can also see the few spill over sockets. The black deep socket may return to my home tool box. I still have space in this box for a few other specialty tools.

All the cases fit nicely in the ammo can:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0084.jpg

I will be adding some foam to the bottom and sides to make the fit a bit tighter and hopefully prevent the plastic cases from breaking.

I also still have to figure out what else to put into the other two cases! So far I have consolidated 3 small boxes worth of tools into 2 efficient cases.

[CJM]

I think your gonnabe sorry trying to use the ratcheting set for everything Sean. I hate trying to use the box end when getting tight areas, it doesnt fit cause its much thicker and larger than a standard wrench.

[4x4mike]

Ratcheting isn't that bad. For the most part there aren't a lot of tight squeezes and ratcheting just speeds things up. One down side I see for a ratcheting is their durability. Adding leverage or breaking large stuck bolts can break the mechanism and if that happens you're SOL. A non ratcheting wrench gives you more strength in the wrench and a second chance if you booger up one side.

An 8, 10 and 14 would be nice to have because they are used all over the 4runner. Having a speedy option is nice if the need arises.

Looks good Sean. I know you mentioned foam but are the dividers within the Planos stiff enough to hold the weight of the heavier pieces over bumps and rough roads? Worse case scenario it'll all be contained within the Planos.

[Seanz0rz]

Looks good Sean. I know you mentioned foam but are the dividers within the Planos stiff enough to hold the weight of the heavier pieces over bumps and rough roads? Worse case scenario it'll all be contained within the Planos.


I think we will find out! I think they should be strong enough, but who knows.



as for the ratcheting wrenches, I am considering buying a set of 19-8mm Kobalt wrenches to add to my kit. They are 25 dollars and should be pretty decent. I would take out the 11, 13, 15, 16, and 18mm and keep those aside. I am also going to invest in a much larger adjustable wrench to do those really big nuts (22mm, 24mm and 27mm)

[Seanz0rz]

I just finished filling out another box with tire repair items.

I won one of the trail gear kits at a raffle a few months ago. I like the kit but the box is too big and takes up too much room. In a word, it is inefficient.

Tire Repair:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0088.jpg

Inside it has ALOT of of the tire repair strips/plugs, rubber cement, the tools for inserting the plugs (which I had to disassemble to get to fit), spare lug nuts, a valve stem tool, spare valve caps, and my wheel lock nut(moved from my wrench box). I still need to add a couple of things to the kit, like some spare valve cores, a spare or two valve stems, etc.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0090.jpg

I still have a 4th box that is looking to get filled. Not sure with what yet! I suddenly have all this space to fill! It looks like I will be able to dedicate one ammo can to extra fluids or something else!

[paddlenbike]

Sean, I like what you have done. I will be curious to hear your feedback on the Kobalt tools too. I have a second set of tools I bought at a Cummins tool sale while I was in college, but the quality is terrible and they're rusting to pieces. I need to buy a decent quality set of box wrenches and ratchets/sockets to keep in the 4Runner.

I keep wondering if you were to paint the shafts of the wrenches with Plasti-dip if it would help keep rattling to a minimum. Plasti-dip is rubbery to the touch.

I can't remember if I heard this from my financial planner or an insurance agent, but apparently tools are one of only a few items in most people's homes that do NOT depreciate in value.

If you get bored, come over and I will let you organize my garage. :thumbup:

[Seanz0rz]

I'll organize your garage if you detail my 4Runner!

I am so disappointed to learn that the new Craftsman tools are made in China now. The Kobalt's are too, but everyone seems to love them. People had some pretty nasty things to say about the newer Craftsman wrenches.

I (ok, Dad) has a full set of metric and standard box end wrenches, half of which I am carrying now. I would rather return those to the tool chest and get some cheaper ones to use in my on the go tool box.


as for the Plasti-dip, I have used it in the past and find it to not be terribly durable. In my current configuration, the wrenches are pretty tightly wedged into the box, so I don't have to worry much about them rattling around.

[CJM]

I havent been impressed with craftsmen for years, quality has gone WAY down.

Mike and Sean: You might want to give ol wally world a try and buy some stanley wrenches. I have a non chrome set for my work box and although abused they didnt rust. I also bought a polished SAE and metric for my home box and havent had an issue yet. Best part was they were only like 20/set!

Actually most of my tools are husky/stanley and Im quite happy. You want really cheap harbor freight wrenches and sockets are okb ut the ratchets suck big time!

[Seanz0rz]

just got a wrench set on close out at Lowes for 25. It will be going in the box shortly...


5 of the 6 new wrenches are in the second from top compartment in this photo:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0091.jpg

the 6th (8mm) was short enough to fit with the smaller wrenches in the upper left box.

wrenches are done!

I think I will dedicate the 4th box to extra bolts and small parts.

[paddlenbike]

I'll organize your garage if you detail my 4Runner!


You would get the short-end of that stick.

Time to order some plano boxes; that looks nicely organized.

[Seanz0rz]

You would get the short-end of that stick.


you, sir, have not seen the pile of chex mix and peanuttles in my center console!

[4x4mike]

That's all coming together nicely. Consolidating and making space is nice.

CJM: I've had or own most of the brands out there. IMO the quality of everything has declined in the past 10-15 years. My home boxes and chests have Craftman, Kobalt, Husky/Task Force, Stanley, Snap On, Mac, lisle, Williams, Dayton, Gear Wrench and HF/Import.

I'm not too rough on my tools and usually have the correct ones for the job. This goes a long way and cuts down on the failure of tools which I feel should be quite low on something like a hand tool. I used to spend a lot of time on garagejournal forum and there are some good write ups and many that have very expensive tool buying problems. I'm not sure most of them even get used but they have them all. They've done good write ups on how, say a 15mm wrench doesn't measure 15mm out of the box, for any brand. There are arguments on why they are like that, what they should be and what they should be used on. All interesting reads but I've used some knowledge picked up there and applied them to my collection. Nothing beats a US made Snap On 80 tooth 3/8" ratchet (~$150).

I started buying tools and tool boxes when I was 16 and in some years I bought a lot of tools. Having multiple is nice for a lot of reasons, one of which is to make a trail kit without picking apart a home kit. Here is some home storage from 3 years ago. These drawers have all had items added to them since then :hillbill:
Partial trail set are the tool rolls on page on of this thread.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-pia1MRgLhsk/S7K_D8BWT8I/AAAAAAAARdw/HeHwY7VT-Kg/s640/DSC_0063.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-M6OI60gHY2I/S7K_ER7BKmI/AAAAAAAARd4/6LPZyExeJ9g/s640/DSC_0064.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BRnxjt05oUs/S7K_FOC_tFI/AAAAAAAAReA/SXsowjNckRY/s640/DSC_0065.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-uVIwIEFLzQc/S7K_F_SzULI/AAAAAAAAReQ/1qt3L8M4JJo/s640/DSC_0067.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dGPCJxOKEyc/S7K_GckodYI/AAAAAAAAReY/uhuFWMeUNms/s640/DSC_0068.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Vy8sKFeitq0/S7K_Gjz5NSI/AAAAAAAAReg/BXKsRBHxo14/s640/DSC_0069.JPG

[Good Times]

thread hijack... mike holy mother of *** that's a ton of tools ya got there! :)

Sean, I like what you've done. I've always thought about using a hard container but wasn't sure if that made sense cuz of the bulk. Felt that throwing it into a cloth wrap would be better but this definitely looks pretty slick and clean!

[paddlenbike]

^^ Mike makes me sick sometimes. :lol: My entire life looks like a disaster by comparison.

[4x4mike]

thread hijack... mike holy mother of *** that's a ton of tools ya got there! :)

Felt that throwing it into a cloth wrap would be better but this definitely looks pretty slick and clean!




Those drawers have new items but still those are just the wrench and socket drawers, and just my garage collection. I still have the trail and bike kits that have copies of most of the tools plus specialty tools. I keep those stored in the attic because they are used less, raise fewer questions from the wife and it makes it easier to transition new toys into the mix. "Oh this old wrench, I've had this forever." It probably got it cheap on eBay or something :winkwink:

I tell my wife all the time I'd have way fewer tools if they didn't make bolts in so many different sizes.

[stormtaco]

i will have to take a pic or two, i have a 42" top and bottom full and a 36" 5 drawer cart with 8 side drawers and i have some in ammo cans and that dosent count construction, and i use the plastic boxes for stuff to

[CJM]

@Sean-for that price Id buy them too!

Hehe Mike I probably have close to the same amount in my box. I started at the age of like 8 by getting my parents to buy me every imaginable tool I wanted cause I helped them work on the house, if they werent buying stuff the rest of my family-specially my grandparents bought me tools.

By 12 I was buying my own stuff and by my teens I bought alot of tools. Still think the best investment I ever did was a set of crescent branded socket/wrench set from sams (appears to be made by whomever makes stanley/husky). Being in the auto field I got all sorts of other special use tools and basic tools as well.

I also fell in love with the stanley/husky stuff b/c of durability and price. I some tools from the trucks as well-but that doesnt mean the quality is better tho! In the end I have one of those 3 tier 26" chests (6 drawer top, 3 draw middle, 5 drawer bottom) literally full to the gills, plus another few boxes of junk Ive accumulated, plus my roadbox that has to weigh like 35lbs lol (ive broken 3 different tool boxes!) hell, just the hammer drawer in my box is chock full and that suckers like 10" deep. Been hankering for a HF 48" chest but I keep spending cash elsewhere.

Sorry to hijack...

[slomatt]

If anybody is looking for a good set of USA made combination wrenches searsoutlet.com has been having good sales recently. Unfortunately most are not available for shipping at this point, but they are still available in some stores.

Here's an example, there are other sets available as well.
http://www.searsoutlet.com/14-PC-Wrench-Set/d/product_details.jsp?stxt=metric%2014%20pc&md=srh_md&pn=1&ps=24&pid=104193&cid=7054&mode=buyNewOnly&itemSelectionType=all

Another (less expensive) option are the "Northern Industrial" combination wrenches from northerntool.com.

- Matt

[CJM]

Way better value for the money: http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/100654130/5yc1v?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=husky+wrench+set&storeId=10051&N=5yc1v&R=100654130

[Seanz0rz]

So here is my storage situation as of today. This has worked for me for years, and with the new improvements, it works even better!

First, I have a Plano tool box. I got it for free! (sorry for the bad picture)
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0252_zps0138127e.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0252_zps0138127e.jpg.html)

On the lid, there are two clear, divided boxes where I keep my selection of JB weld and other adhesives, a lighter, test light (and also a spare tail light bulb) among other things.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0247_zps81691ce0.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0247_zps81691ce0.jpg.html)

Inside the tool box there is a lift out tray. It houses some of the tools that wouldn't otherwise fit in a nice organizer.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0250_zps4ed9d966.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0250_zps4ed9d966.jpg.html)

At the bottom of the tool box resides my hammer, pry bar, breaker bar, and a bag with Gorilla tape, electrical tape, and bailing wire.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0251_zpsd38176ef.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0251_zpsd38176ef.jpg.html)

My second tool box is an ammo can with 4 of the plastic tackle boxes as discussed before:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0253_zps37d77aa2.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0253_zps37d77aa2.jpg.html)

Sockets and Tire Repair:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0254_zps1148b561.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0254_zps1148b561.jpg.html)

Wrenches and Screwdriver/etc kit:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0255_zpsb0975c12.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0255_zpsb0975c12.jpg.html)

We were initially worried about the durability of these tackle type boxes, but they have been durable so far with a trip through Mojave and Big Bear without even a fatigue discoloration.

My second ammo can houses my recovery gear. 2 straps, a snatch block and 1 shackle (my other is elsewhere) plus the winch controller fit nicely:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0256_zpsa0f0c963.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0256_zpsa0f0c963.jpg.html)

My compressor fits in another ammo can. I think this will eventually get hard mounted somewhere on the truck.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0257_zpsd5550574.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0257_zpsd5550574.jpg.html)

Finally, a smaller ammo can for my first aid kit.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0258_zps19f013da.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0258_zps19f013da.jpg.html)

This all fits nicely under my storage/sleeping platform:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0259_zps3ad5eaf0.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0259_zps3ad5eaf0.jpg.html)

My pullpal lives between the platform and the rear seat, with the blade wedged between the platform and the right wheel well:
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0262_zps2ad30f35.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0262_zps2ad30f35.jpg.html)

I use either side of the platform to store some miscellaneous items like tie downs and my small inverter.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0261_zps7ed1ded8.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0261_zps7ed1ded8.jpg.html)
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae38/hamiltonfabrication/Storage/IMAG0260_zps633a201a.jpg (http://s955.photobucket.com/user/hamiltonfabrication/media/Storage/IMAG0260_zps633a201a.jpg.html)

This has worked very, very well for me. On the most recent Mojave trip, I put the first aid kit in the passenger footwell, and piled the tools on the right and my cooking and food stuff in containers on the left side.

[Seanz0rz]

Since the last post, I have added a few things to my kit, but the biggest change is where I keep my recovery gear.

In a bad stuck, if I could not open the swingouts and rear hatch, I could not get to any of my recovery gear. To remedy that potential issue, I placed my straps and shackles under the passenger seat in an inexpensive backpack (pretty much just to keep them clean and unseen). My snatch block and winch controller live under the driver seat. I also wired in my in cab winch control, but will likely go for a wireless remote soon.

I also ditched my compressor for an onboard kit, so now I am using that ammo can for the air hose and accessories, plus spares.

Electrical Spares:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7321/12374375965_10da3b14cd_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/98550067@N07/12374375965/)

Basically, tons of spare fuses, crimp connectors, relays, some sheet metal screws for grounding things. Tape, heat shrink and silicone tape round out the supplies. I also keep a bunch of wire in another box.

I also have a bin (or two or 3) for spare bolts. I am not exactly sure what to put in there yet. I have a small list that I am adding to, I will share that when the time comes.

I know some questioned the longevity of using the tackle boxes. So far the only cracked one is the one above. I bought it that way and missed it when I picked it off the shelf. Whoops! All the ones I've had for over a year now are holding up darn well! No cracks or anything, and they work really for my style of packing and working.

[troyboy162]

as I think was predicted by someone about year later the mesh window tore on two of these things.
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/8d/8d3f4683-04d4-43a0-9d71-f1aa0bb5edb0_300.jpg

I would guess these are of the same good enough quality without the window issue. I'm going to try them out.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71AbCkjLx6L._SL1500_.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/Custom-Leathercraft-1100-Multi-Purpose-Zippered/dp/B0002YVBC0/ref=pd_cp_hi_2

[Good Times]

Sean did you ever look into these tool wraps?

something like this: Amazon link (http://www.amazon.com/Ergodyne-13770-Arsenal-5870-Roll-Up/dp/B0013G5YAG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1399687995&sr=8-3&keywords=tool+wrap)

I've got a few of em and they're pretty slick. :)

[Seanz0rz]

I'm really happy with my setup so far. The Plano boxes have worked great and haven't cracked yet.

[slomatt]

I would guess these are of the same good enough quality without the window issue. I'm going to try them out.


I have a set of the CLC bags, they are well made and seem like they will hold up to abuse.

- Matt

[troyboy162]

glad to hear it! I was debating going much more expensive. The whole buy once thing was rattling around in my head. There is no middle ground, its these or the klein for $15 per bag. The Klein arnt even the right sizes. These will be perfect!

[4x4mike]

Sean did you ever look into these tool wraps?

something like this: Amazon link (http://www.amazon.com/Ergodyne-13770-Arsenal-5870-Roll-Up/dp/B0013G5YAG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1399687995&sr=8-3&keywords=tool+wrap)

I've got a few of em and they're pretty slick. :)

Those are the ones I've got. There is a picture on the first page of what they look like filled. I use two of them and bought them at the Ace Hardware down the street from SLOsurfer. I like them a lot and if I needed to carry more tools that fit in a wrap I'd buy more.

I also have the document bags shown above. I've got the ones with and without the windows. For the most part the ones with the mesh windows carry little softer things so they likely hood of them ripping is not very high. The larger bags are nice and sturdy.