California moves in the right direction (CCW)

[Robinhood4x4]

I've heard the good news and I'm glad the whole open carry situation turned out to have a silver lining. What I'm not too clear on is what does this mean for the rest of California? San Diego county seems to be opening up, but does this mean that all the other counties can still remain May Issue? At least one thread on Pirate implies that all of California will be Shall Issue now.

As a more fun question, what gun are you going to carry?

[Good Times]

Orange County has reversed their standing and is now Shall Issue based on San Diego's outcome. Los Angeles says they are still May Issue until further review.

A big step in the right direction but it'll be some time before any of this becomes a reality. The latest I heard from each of the various departments are that they're only allowing x number of appointments for interviews and there's already a backlog thru summer. So the new tactic is "delay delay delay" but issue at a snails pace.

A few more law suits and things will change but it'll take some time I believe.

I'm always carrying a picture of Bob so that usually scares off the usual suspects! ;)

[Robinhood4x4]

Frankly, I'm surprised Shall issue happened so fast. I know the plan after open carry was banned was to push CCW, but I figured it would be 10 years before anything would happen. Hopefully this will pave the way across the country as well. Was this a state level court or federal?

You have an assault Bob? I thought those were banned.

[Seanz0rz]

9th Circuit, so basically federal appeals court. other circuit courts have disagreed with this ruling, so it is likely to go to the USSC.

[Good Times]

The Ninth Circuit which is a federal court but covers only the following districts:

Alaska
Arizona
California (Central / Eastern / Northern and Southern)
Hawaii
Idaho
Montana
Nevada
Orego
Washington (Eastern and Western)

Also includes Guam and Northern Mariana Island

I too am surprised. Unless this is stayed, the Ninth Circuit will send its mandate to the lower court so this should be set in stone in a few weeks.

How this impacts the rest of the country I'm not sure. This decision creates a split on the Seventh and Ninth Circuits vs the Second, Third and Fourth Circuits. The Ninth Circuit Court says that the Second, Third and Fourth Circuits erred stating that the Second Amendment is only for the militia. But Heller's decision teaches us that the 2nd Amendment right includes personal self-defense, and does not need to be connected to a militia service. So I'm not sure how this all will play out.

It is possible that it'll get to the Supreme Court but we'll see how this all unfolds. I think it's still too early to comment as this just happened. Gotta let it all settle and go from there.

For now, just waiting for this to become the rule of the land and then see how the chiefs / sheriffs enforce the law and go from there. I suspect a bunch of delay tactics but who knows. The tide has shifted so fast that I think it took many by surprise.

[4x4mike]

The bottle neck will be the Sheriff/LE office. I've been on a list for 5 years now locally, bought a carry pistol and have even taken the required course (since expired). The Sheriff has a small part of their resources to handle permit issuance, renewing and enforcement. If they assume each person will take X amount of time and they have Y amount of time each year they come up with their very small number people that get in. We have got a new sheriff just before I started my quest and one of his desires was to have many more permits issued but it comes down to a resource issue.

I was surprised things happened so fast with this but I'm not too optimistic. I know guys go down to the office once a week and wait for no shows but who has time for that?

[Good Times]

I think the biggest difference is now that it will be a federal law if the Sheriff/LE play the "slow game" I think they can be personally held liable. I think this is why the OC sheriff pretty much changed her stance once the Ninth Circuit ruled on this case. Will be interesting how things change but I'll take a bit before things change.