Yet another mod resigns from YT...

[TDiddy]

Anyone notice WATRD's sig line?

-Rob

Slightly Modified 2001 Tacoma - WATRD.COM
WATTORA Prez
Despite what the title may say, I have resigned as a moderator here on YotaTech. You can find me via the links above.

[bamachem]

ouch. more mods jumping ship? that can't be good...

[04 Rocko Taco]

Apparently Mark (midiwall) has done so also, but it does not reflect in his sig...

Keep a close eye on the "what makes a good mod" thread. money says some ban's are coming

[YotaFun]

I should just post something in there to get banned, everyone else already has lol, why not me.

It is interseting though how many people are leaving that place...

[bamachem]

lol... i just saw that thread earlier this morning when someone here PM'd me the link. aparently the gestapo has already claimed it's first victim in that thread.

[TDiddy]

anyone have the link?

[bamachem]

yeah, here's the PM that i got this morning:





Hey, have you heard the news yet? Take a look at this very interesting thread on TOF:

http://yotatech.com/f92/what-makes-good-moderator-124544/


molly does this thrad have anything to do with rob quitting as a maderator? are you scared for your job or something? it looks liek midwall quit too. thats 6 maderators in 6 months that have quit. whats going on bahind the seens to make them do that?

http://www.yotatech.com/members/watrd/



-Rob

Slightly Modified 2001 Tacoma - WATRD.COM
WATTORA Prez
Despite what the title may say, I have resigned as a moderator here on YotaTech. You can find me via the links above.

[04 Rocko Taco]

The above post was from Molly's "good mod" thread.

There was a different thread posted this morning by Lych.mccrack that was just a qoute of Rob's sigline, I poted in it, and 10 minutes after it was made, the OP was banned, and the thread deleted. Corey made up a cover story about the kid having two accounts, butI dont buy it, because supposedly he banned lych last nite, but the seperate mod post was from this morning by lych. I called Corey out on it in Molly's Good Mod thread... keep an eye on it. I bet all mods now avoid it like the plauge.

[bamachem]

lol @ Chris:


See Corey, you cleared the air, feel better?

And here I thought he was banned because of his thread talking about resigning moderators. See, clearing up misunderstandigns already Corey!!

But just out of curiosity, why delete a thread that only qoutes Rob's sigline, which can be viewed by anyone anyway?


Good stuff! (i wouldn't hold my breath for an answer. he's famous for the "hide-my-head-in-the-sand" technique when the stuff hits the fan!

the sad thing is that the guy was probably just doing what corey asked and changing his name and just didn't know that he shouldn't start a new account!

[Good Times]

Wow it's upsetting to see additional mods leaving that forum. Though I'm disappointed at the current outcome somehow I'm not that surprised. I'm interested in why and what drove them to resign. Can't be the same issues why we left since they've only been mods for a few months. Must be something else that's big (I guess) as I can't imagine why they would suddenly leave only being moderators for a bit considering both guys are outstanding individuals with a lot of technical knowledge.

So who's moderating that forum now? They're seriously short staffed (2 admins and 1 mod) and really can't afford to stay that way with the traffic they get regularly. If they don't shape up quickly that place is really going downhill. It's sad to see such a great forum nose dive that much. I guess the only thing that draws traffic is the wealth of knowledge. I wonder how long that will last. bummer

[Cheese]

I have a student who's last name is Bone.

At first I thought it was a funny guy, but I checked the roster and Ham Bone is in fact someone I know.

Additionally, when my cousin went to Afghanistan there was a Navy woman who's last name was Guzzler. Do you know how they called her over the PA?

Seaman Guzzler. You can't change that.

[bamachem]

lol @ Seaman Guzzler! Damn, and I thought a guy in High School named Palmer Finger was bad!

[ecchamberlin]

Bummer about YT. It did used to be the shiznit. Oh well.

I worked with a Marine officer with the last name Dick. He was a Major......Seriously hoping to make LT Col. I would mess with him and say

"So Major Dick, what do your Marines think of you?" Same reply every time. "F'in Squid"

All joking aside he was an awesome leader!

[Bob98SR5]

...and what a good way to segue into my point: Leadership and integrity. YT lacks leadership because of who is at the helm. I don't make any bones about that at all. For the last 4-5 years, the people who were there since the beginning know who really ran the place and made it into what it is (or was) from the front end development, community development, content development, etc. But most of all, the mods like myself, Mike, Lance, Steve, Tom and our other good friends like Bamachem, Oly, etc who stuck by us and all left and started this place had the integrity to leave because the dicktater (haha...i am gonna buy that guy a huge beer) over there at YT lacked integrity, the moral fiber to moderate fairly, and abide by the principles he set up. The affable, frontman persona is not what it seems.

Perhaps that is what WATRD and Midiwall discovered that too? I wonder if they'd like to contribute to this discussion?

Bob

[oly884]

Bob you said it. YT would simply not be what it is today without what you, Mike, Lance, Steve, and Tom did.

Corey is a tool, simple as that, and I think that's exactly what Rob and Mark found out personally.

[neliconcept]

oh well, at least i can sell some shiznit over there

[Bob98SR5]

love fest aside, its quite sad how one person can nuke an entire organization. my feeling is that YT's content can only carry it so much longer. its the community and the tech knowledge that helps a site grow. hopefully who are still over there will realize that like many of you guys have already.

...which is to say "thanks to all who have supported us from the get go!" :clap:

[ecchamberlin]

...and what a good way to segue into my point: Leadership and integrity....
Bob


THat did make for a good bridge-in.

But some great points have been made here.

It is the very fact that even though I do not always agree with some of calls that are made even here, an open dialog to voice that disagreement exists. I have exercised this and at no time felt the threat of being banned. That is huge to me.

[bamachem]

i just checked the thread on TOF and man, there is some ass-smooching going on over there!!! lol... newbies...

[TDiddy]

Funny...corey chimes in but completely ignores Rocko's points...

[waskillywabbit]

I am defending nor accusing any individual, group or entity of anything. I am simply expressing my own opinion as to the things that have transpired over the past few months with all the YT and UY discourse.

I think the continued bickering between the two forums, regardless of provocation, blame, fault, intent, motive or circumstances only gives BOTH a black eye in the Toyota online community.

Move on.

:guitar:

[AxleIke]

Move on.

:guitar:




Amen.

[Bob98SR5]

Whatever, Brian. You reap what you sow.

[Lee]

if i was looking to resell trail gear parts on both sites, id say move on too

its bad for profits :tongueout:

[callmej75]

Whatever, Brian. You reap what you sow.


AMEN :flipoff:

[scottiac]

Not that my opinion means much, but...

The nice thing is that you can say what you want here; I like that.

I have the highest regard for the mods that migrated, and consider those I've met to be friends, so I hope none of them will take this ill. It is, after all, just an opinion.

For my personal thoughts... in most things in life, I tend to be one that has more respect for those who can put the bitterness behind them, and move on. Living well is the best revenge, and all that. (I have two friends who have gone through messy divorces living with me right now, and the leftover psychological B.S. amongst their ex's is not... admirable.)

[waskillywabbit]

You reap what you sow.



Quote from: callmej75 on Today at 07:55 PM

AMEN

I could not agree with you more Bob and Jeremy.
So what are you sowing?


Quote from: scottiac on Today at 08:21 PM
For my personal thoughts... in most things in life, I tend to be one that has more respect for those who can put the bitterness behind them, and move on. Living well is the best revenge, and all that.

Well said. Bittness only hurts those who hang onto it.

[Ric]

wooow Rob is no longer a Mod :headscratch: i thought he got off on it.
oh well, life goes on, Ill still wheel, Ill still spend time with family and friends, Ill still look for a trail rig, life goes on.

[Bob98SR5]

I could not agree with you more Bob and Jeremy.
So what are you sowing?



i dont know, brian, but perhaps you can powder coat it for me :flipoff:

absolutely no shame. amazing.

[Seanz0rz]

sigh, i simply dont care either way, and i think most of us should feel that way. their beef with YT is their business.

ive got enough to worry about...

[callmej75]

I could not agree with you more Bob and Jeremy.
So what are you sowing?



i dont know, brian, but perhaps you can powder coat it for me :flipoff:

absolutely no shame. amazing.



:lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :spit: :spit:

[Texas Jim]

I will have to say that this has been a year like no other, in my life. The BS that goes on over at TOP is incredable. I was banned like so many others. I put a lot of money into it and when it's all said and done. Who Cares!!!

When a ship sinks, only the idiot's stay on board. I rest my case. TJ

[Cebby]

When a ship sinks, only the idiot's stay on board. I rest my case. TJ


That's a sig-worthy quote TJ!!

[calrockx]

so..."captain corky"?

[TDiddy]

http://static.flickr.com/21/90773360_3f3a3fbea8.jpg

[Bighead]

Nice... :thumbup:

[Jacket]

sigh, i simply dont care either way...


Indeed.

[MTL_4runner]

Wow, I come back from a trip and look what the cat dragged in this time over at TOF. It would be nice to get what happened right from the horse's mouth if Mark and Rob were so inclined. Anyway, it's now back to Gilligan's Island indeed. :laugh:

[Ric]

dont they only have ONE moderator left ?

[Texas Jim]

don't they only have ONE moderator left ?


The Boeing God and his only Little Buddie.....LOL TJ

[Ric]

woow dont know what to say

[callmej75]

woow dont know what to say


Not too much TO say..expectations have exceeded their goal!

[Tofer]

Going once, Going twice...... http://www.yotatech.com/f121/yotatech-news-124951/

[slosurfer]

Can't say I'm not surprised.

[callmej75]

Guess people will have to start shelling out some bucks now for advertising there...

[Bighead]

I can't believe they will still accept contributions even though YT has been sold.

[MTL_4runner]

I can't believe they will still accept contributions even though YT has been sold.


I can. :roll:

[04 Rocko Taco]

*sigh* whats this world coming to, I wonder if this is why Mark and Rob left?

[amgraham]

That thread about the sale made me laugh. Anybody could see it coming as it is a valuable site with lots of traffic and the leadership has been complaining constantly about how much trouble it is to maintain. It's amazing how many people think it's a great idea about the sale and a new opportunity... It's the official beginning of the end if you ask me. I do wonder how much it went for though... I also wonder if the contributing members will get any of their contributions back ;) . Of course they'll still accept contributions but anyone who gives one is a fool now that a corporation is the owner.

[TDiddy]

*sigh* whats this world coming to, I wonder if this is why Mark and Rob left?


That's what we've heard.

[bamachem]

I can't believe they will still accept contributions even though YT has been sold.


I can. :roll:


X2





*sigh* whats this world coming to, I wonder if this is why Mark and Rob left?


you don't think that it's a coincidence that they resigned just one week before this news became public, do you???




...It's the official beginning of the end if you ask me. I do wonder how much it went for though... I also wonder if the contributing members will get any of their contributions back ;) . Of course they'll still accept contributions but anyone who gives one is a fool now that a corporation is the owner.


hell, i'm happy for corey and chris. they're walking away with a ton of cash. they took the chance and started a new forum 5 years ago and stuck in there while it grew into what it is today (even though it was the former moderators who were the backbone and did 99% of the work to make it a success).

as far as how much they got - think of paying cash for a nice, big house in surburbia america. yeah, that much. however, i doubt any members will get any refunds - that money has been spent on server fees. the coffers were pretty much dry over 6 months ago and if they didn't sell now then chris and corey would have had to start paying for the server fees out of their own pockets. in reality, you can't blame them. the "monster" had grown too big for them to keep, so they had to find new owners. the reason for the sale is ultimately the fact that they didn't have a sound business plan for success in the event that it grew to be this large. luckily for our membership here, we have a well-rounded ownership team that have a plan in place from day 1 to pay for any and all costs so that we won't find ourselves in a situation similar to what corey and chris face (funding crisis) and we won't be begging our membership for money.

if you watch, i'll bet you'd be surprised how many members will still contribute b/c they won't read about the sale. also, i'll bet that you'll see a few ads here and there after the news of the sale blows over and you can count on those stupid links in every post on the keywords. later on you'll probably have to buy a "star" or something else like on pirate. then you'll have different levels, and eventually, you'll have to pay to search. that's the way these corporate-owned sites work...

anyway, they're in the business to make money and that's exactly what they'll do at any cost. they have well into the 6-figure range invested in the place and they're not going to make that money back on "contributions".

[amgraham]

hell, i'm happy for corey and chris. they're walking away with a ton of cash. they took the chance and started a new forum 5 years ago and stuck in there while it grew into what it is today (even though it was the former moderators who were the backbone and did 99% of the work to make it a success).

as far as how much they got - think of paying cash for a nice, big house in surburbia america. yeah, that much. however, i doubt any members will get any refunds - that money has been spent on server fees. the coffers were pretty much dry over 6 months ago and if they didn't sell now then chris and corey would have had to start paying for the server fees out of their own pockets. in reality, you can't blame them. the "monster" had grown too big for them to keep, so they had to find new owners. the reason for the sale is ultimately the fact that they didn't have a sound business plan for success in the event that it grew to be this large. luckily for our membership here, we have a well-rounded ownership team that have a plan in place from day 1 to pay for any and all costs so that we won't find ourselves in a situation similar to what corey and chris face (funding crisis) and we won't be begging our membership for money.

if you watch, i'll bet you'd be surprised how many members will still contribute b/c they won't read about the sale. also, i'll bet that you'll see a few ads here and there after the news of the sale blows over and you can count on those stupid links in every post on the keywords. later on you'll probably have to buy a "star" or something else like on pirate. then you'll have different levels, and eventually, you'll have to pay to search. that's the way these corporate-owned sites work...

anyway, they're in the business to make money and that's exactly what they'll do at any cost. they have well into the 6-figure range invested in the place and they're not going to make that money back on "contributions".


I hear you. Dealing with those kind of numbers it's tempting for anyone to go ahead and clean up on the sale. However, it's pretty obvious that Corey doesn't hurt for money (at least from the outside looking in) and it would have been a nice gesture to offer for some other team of individuals to step up and buy him out before letting some company take over. It just wouldn't be as profitable and I guess that's what made the decision. I guess I was holding out hope that YT would survive but I think you are right in your predictions that it will become just another spammed corporate site. This is why I generally stick with local boards. YT, IH8MUD, and here are about the only national boards I frequent. <sigh>

Oh, and I know that the contributers won't get anything back. That was a completely sarcastic comment. Although, they helped that board survive to the point of sale so it would be nice for them to be offered at least some extra perks or something. It won't happen though.

I don't know Corey and Chris personally but I'm with you Andy, part of me feels happy for them profiting on an investment. I just wish that such a large community as YT is didn't have to suffer for it.

[bamachem]

well, if it gets bad over there, you know where to come! ;)

[jrallan26]

If anyone still has a YT account, you may wish to remove your email address. If not you may get spammed...

[MTL_4runner]

If anyone still has a YT account, you may wish to remove your email address. If not you may get spammed...


Good call!

[jrallan26]

I just finished removing mine...

[slosurfer]

If anyone still has a YT account, you may wish to remove your email address. If not you may get spammed...


I just emailed Chris concerning this.

[jrallan26]

That is why companies buy message boards. Email addresses. YT has "umpteen" members with email addresses. Everyones email address is now on a list.

[slosurfer]

I just finished removing mine...


How did you do that? It's not letting me get rid of my email. I keep getting a message saying that email is a required field :headscratch:

[04 Rocko Taco]

Let us know what you need to do to remove it!!

[jrallan26]

pm sent...





I just finished removing mine...


How did you do that? It's not letting me get rid of my email. I keep getting a message saying that email is a required field :headscratch:

[jrallan26]

Check your mail, BTW nice truck....



Let us know what you need to do to remove it!!

[slosurfer]

pm sent...


Thanks

[bamachem]

put in a fake email addy!

[04 Rocko Taco]

HAS TO BE ONE YOU CAN CHECK. You will have to reverify your account once you change your email, or you will not be able to post there...

[Cebby]

Mine now goes to an auto responder. :D

[neliconcept]

its at my gmail, it takes in spam anyways from ppl so i dont care.

[04 Rocko Taco]

I just made a new yahoo one up for that occasion, fill it with junk mail, I dont care. lol

[Erich_870]

I just found out my hotmail account has been banned for months. I wondered why I never got the auto response emails anymore :tongueout: It was okay to list the hotmail address when I first joined :shake:

Erich

[slosurfer]

HAS TO BE ONE YOU CAN CHECK. You will have to reverify your account once you change your email, or you will not be able to post there...


Doh! :chair:



I just found out my hotmail account has been banned for months. I wondered why I never got the auto response emails anymore :tongueout: It was okay to list the hotmail address when I first joined :shake:

Erich


I was going to use my hotmail account also. Dang it! :argue: :gay:

[CJM]

I had a feeling it was gonnabe sold eventually..

I havent left b/c there is still some good info but I wont dare give them a dime.

[bamachem]

here's a site that some of you who are members over there may be interested in:

http://www.internetbrands.com/ib/

[Cebby]

And in typical (and expected) YT gestapo fashion, Chris makes a statement and closes the thread (http://www.yotatech.com/50618513-post24.html). Nice to see they haven't strayed from their SOP.

FWIW, I think this is the most I've seen Chris post in the last 6 months. I guess for good reason - he can't leave important announcements like this to Cork and his word smithing.

Funny thing is, when we suggested buying YT out back in February, they wouldn't even entertain it (no figures discussed even). Our only condition was that Corey had to go or had his duties/powers considerably reduced. Chris wanted no part of it. Shall we take wagers on how long IB will tolerate him? If their smart (and I suspect they are), they will have had a condition in their contract to oust Cork if he pulls too many bonehead moves.

[bamachem]

well, to be honest, he's probably a paid staff member now so they'll just fire him like any other employer would do if someone isn't working out.

[slosurfer]

And in typical (and expected) YT gestapo fashion, Chris makes a statement and closes the thread (http://www.yotatech.com/50618513-post24.html).


I was able to get in a good word for all the mods that have worked there in the past and present, right before the thread got closed.

[Cebby]

And in typical (and expected) YT gestapo fashion, Chris makes a statement and closes the thread (http://www.yotatech.com/50618513-post24.html).


I was able to get in a good word for all the mods that have worked there in the past and present, right before the thread got closed.


That did not go unnoticed! Thank you!!

[04 Rocko Taco]

Apparently Corey got word of our mass email adress changes....

http://www.yotatech.com/f121/no-email-harvesting-going-here-125010/

[bamachem]

lol...



it is a lie, i tell you. i will never sell my beloved yotatech and you will never have to pay for advertising here. you will not be required to pay an annual subscription and we will not make members pay to search. i promise on the thousands upon thousands of hours that i work here each day that your address will not be sold to the highest bidder and the infidels are not on the outskirts of the city! it is all lies and propaganda! we will defeat the infidels and send them running like the little girls that they are!

http://writingcompany.blogs.com/this_isnt_writing_its_typ/images/baghdad_bob_1.jpg

:D lies and propaganda... geeze, propaganda? lol...

sorry, just had to have a little fun w/ that one!

[Cebby]

Hmmmm....based on his track record with double talk, I'm sure he'll keep his word on that. :shake:

EDIT: lol - BAGHDAD BOB :laugh:

[toddski]

Hey guys. Not sure if everyone knows me or not. My name is Todd.
I wanted to chime in on the subject.
A little background on me, i have been friends with Corey for a very long time. I live not to far from Corey.
I do understand the circumstance as to why this site has started. I haven't talk to any of the mods here to get their story. I know that when several members left, Corey explained to me what had happened. He was very understanding of the whole issue.
Not sure if you remember the old "V-MAG" Toyota web site. That was run by a corporate company. It was hacked several times. Corey took it upon himself to try and help. When V-MAG lost interest we all moved over to 4x4 wire. 4x4 wire became allot like a little brother to Pirate. There is a ton of info over on 4x4 wire but it really strayed away from a family atmosphere. That is when Chris and Corey started Yotatech. They wanted a more structured site that gears to all genders of four wheel drive folks.
As you all know it grew big and fast. In the beginning it was fine to manage with just two people. I know for a fact how much time Chris and Corey put in a day to run the site. The owners here will soon find out.
I like the structure of this site and i know it will grow.
With the increased traffic comes more expenses, you will see as you grow.
I wish Rob and the other mods that just quit would come and explain their reason. I really don't like some of you sitting here assuming what happened.
I have talked to Corey as to why Chris and Corey sold the site. I do know that financially Chris and Corey had taken upon themselves to keep the site running. I'm actually surprised they did it for as long as they have.

Sorry to ramble on. I like going to this site but i hate having the bashing that some are doing. I know i don't have to look at this post. But i really have allot of respect for the mods that did leave Yotatech. But to hear some talk like they have been makes me wonder sometimes.

Again i would like to congrats on the site. Now i have to waste even more time reading another Toyota site :headscratch: (J/K).

Todd

[bamachem]

welcome todd. great to have yet another new member (quickly approaching that 1000-member mark!)

feel free to look around and let us know if you have any questions.

yeah, sometimes the bickering gets old, but most of it is in good fun. you'll also see that we're congratulating chris and corey on the sale. if you read some of my other posts, you'll also see that i don't blame them one bit considering their situation. however, it was only inevitable due to the fact that they turned a deaf ear on their moderator staff about a year ago when they were warned that the day was coming when they wouldn't have enough funds to pay the bills...

[TDiddy]

I wish Rob and the other mods that just quit would come and explain their reason. I really don't like some of you sitting here assuming what happened.



You shouldn't assume that we are assuming anything...

I know that an invite has gone out to at least one mod that quit in the latest round, and should he come in to explain, he's welcome to do so. However I woldn't expect it, as the group of us that left originally have never made a thread to air all of the dirty laundry so to speak.

[Lee]

wont somebody please think of the trail gear profits!!
http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/lovejoy.jpg

[Cheese]

If the board was sold, isn't everything there property of someone else?

If it is property and e-mail addresses are worth money and an entity who purchased to make money continue trying to make money?

Wouldn't this logically, allowing balls to keep rolling, result in a ball that contains addresses ending up elsewhere?

Significant personal risk was assumed intentionally and knowingly. This risk was deferred and practices were implemented to prevent risk reduction. Now significant personal gain has been achieved at potential huge public loss risks.

I have to do some laundry.

[Cebby]

Todd - I remember you well - welcome to UltimateYota!

Don't take the following post the wrong way, I think it's admirable that you want to stick up for your friend. However, I find the naivety of your post disconcerting and the implication that we're new to this laughable. I will address your comments the best I can.



A little background on me, i have been friends with Corey for a very long time. I live not to far from Corey. I do understand the circumstance as to why this site has started. I haven't talk to any of the mods here to get their story. I know that when several members left, Corey explained to me what had happened. He was very understanding of the whole issue.
Some of the truth of what happened and why we left is on this site, but the full unabridged version does not exist in print. We'd love to hear the full tale Corey is spinning about why we left. Everything I've seen by him on the subject has been either a half truth or a complete fabrication. His being "very understanding" on the subject is a far cry from blatantly telling the 5 of us that resigned "don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out".



Not sure if you remember the old "V-MAG" Toyota web site. That was run by a corporate company. It was hacked several times. Corey took it upon himself to try and help. When V-MAG lost interest we all moved over to 4x4 wire. 4x4 wire became allot like a little brother to Pirate. There is a ton of info over on 4x4 wire but it really strayed away from a family atmosphere. That is when Chris and Corey started Yotatech. They wanted a more structured site that gears to all genders of four wheel drive folks.
V-Mag was before my time - and what you say about the reason Yotatech was started seems plausible enough and resembles some of what I've heard on the subject. I also know part of the reason he left 4x4 wire is the amount of abuse he was taking. (Name calling among other things)



As you all know it grew big and fast. In the beginning it was fine to manage with just two people. I know for a fact how much time Chris and Corey put in a day to run the site. The owners here will soon find out.
As far as the growth of Yotatech early on, it was pretty brisk - however UltimateYota is actually ahead of Yotatech in growth for the same number of weeks in operation. The owners here have lived day in day out running Yotatech. Despite what you may have been led to believe, 98% of the work was done by the team that left. If I had a nickel for every time Corey complained about Chris's lack of involvement....I'd have a lot of nickels. Chris would pop in once a week if that. And when Chris did show up, he was burdened with all of the work that Corey didn't have the backbone to do. And then there's the gross disparity of technical ability - until I became an admin, these rested solely on Chris (or Scott who billed handsomely for his time). Most of the team that left and started UltimateYota had been administrating and moderating since December of 2002. I think we may have learned the ropes in 4+ years of guiding and contributing to the growth of Yotatech. The look and feel that you enjoy at YT today is courtesy of yours truly.



I like the structure of this site and i know it will grow. With the increased traffic comes more expenses, you will see as you grow.
Some of the owners of UltimateYota are in "the business" so we already know what we are getting into. We mapped out a business and growth plan so all of our upcoming expenses have been calculated. We cautioned Corey about the excessive expense of the plan he chose, but we were vetoed. We mapped out how the site could pay for itself without much more than vendor advertising banners, but again we were vetoed.



I wish Rob and the other mods that just quit would come and explain their reason. I really don't like some of you sitting here assuming what happened.
I've contacted Rob after this all went down and got the story directly from him. Rob has tentatively declined our invite to join up since a sizable number of our members were banned from YT by him. Mark is registered here, but I don't think he will be chiming in after the last exchange (ironically on a similar subject)



I have talked to Corey as to why Chris and Corey sold the site. I do know that financially Chris and Corey had taken upon themselves to keep the site running. I'm actually surprised they did it for as long as they have.
By our estimates, the site should have been out of money in June/July. That makes it 2 to 3 months of footing the bill. At $277 per month, it's not chump change. It seems pretty severe to opt for selling the site than to go back on your word to vendors about paying for advertising. The ego is a fragile thing.



Sorry to ramble on. I like going to this site but i hate having the bashing that some are doing. I know i don't have to look at this post. But i really have allot of respect for the mods that did leave Yotatech. But to hear some talk like they have been makes me wonder sometimes.

I would not consider any of what I've seen "bashing". People are simply stating observations and reacting to what's happening. Since we don't censor our members, threads of this nature have a way of digging into the meat of an issue instead of trying to sweep it under the rug.

[callmej75]

wont somebody please think of the trail gear profits!!
http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/lovejoy.jpg


You're too much...Hahahaha

[Bob98SR5]

todd,

i am one of those old timers who remembers you well...from the reasons why vmag went to hell to the time some bonehead plowed into your truck.

no hard feelings, but the bottom line is this: corey is full of s##t and one ungrateful guy, as mike pointed out. further to his point, while it is admirable you would stick up for him, when i read that corey was "understanding" about the whole situation, that sounds like we got a handshake, some well wishes, and a gay ass e-card of him on christmas hanging off his front bumper.

it is not a coincidence that five very senior, knowledgable people with a diverse web, business, and toyota technical knowledge put ourselves on the line for the YT community's survival and existence only to be told to 'not let the door hit you on the way out' for some very specious, ethically challenged reasons. not to mention, the recent departure of the other two well regarded mods (well at least one---someone must be eating some very big crow right now) is telling in and of itself.

clearly, the version you got was clearly distorted and that is why this issue has trouble laying to rest.

Bob

[Bob98SR5]

Apparently Corey got word of our mass email adress changes....

http://www.yotatech.com/f121/no-email-harvesting-going-here-125010/


now i'm just one of those silly mba/business types with a little contract writing experience and having worked at 3 separate internet companies, but when a company buys you out...well typically speaking, you really dont have a say anymore.

i'd sure like to see the legal agreement here before i believe our friend here. ive already changed mine awhile ago, and i'd recommend the same. look at IB's business model: buy an enthusiast portal for advertising purposes which may increase the likelihood of larger ticket sales to large e-commerce car sales sites like carsdirect.com. think your name won't be harvested? well until the forklift king delivers some legal proof on a pallet, i'm not buying it.

you bet those email addresses are golden and are at the top of the list of tangible, monetisable assets. Why? because they are all double opt-in from the registration process (corey now furiously looking up double opt-in).

:rofl:

so what is it: are chris and corey on staff there as employees? or are they still part owners? if so, is their ownership above or below 50%? if below 50% and employees of the site, they don't have a policy say. they are just that: employees. if they do have policy say and below 50%, what terrible negotiating skills!

anyone close to them willing to share this info?

...or will they read this post and address this on their next post-it-and-close-it threads! :rofl: i love the way they can't handle the heat of pointed questions. geez, is answering questions truthfully that hard? :shake: i especially like the response that "hey, we are owned by this company called Internet Brands...but feel free to donate to our forum!" :thumbup: it'd be more intellectually honest and say "please donate money for my gold plated rims!"

bob

[mastacox]

Personally, this news makes me sick :shake:

I remember when I was first brought in on what exactly happened with the mass exodus from YT; I have to say these most recent events are complete bullsh*t. Corey specifically said things like "Yotatech will always be ad-free" and "This site will always be run on member contributions." Obviously, this was a poor business model, and so the people that kept that site running left. Now what the site's original mods said would happen HAPPENED. What an effing suprise.

So here we are, they (the mods that left) were right and YT ran out of money. First it was begging for contributions (I do mean BEGGING, and several members put in several hundred dollars each), next when that didn't work some little Google ads began appearing at the bottom of the page (the reasoning was the server bill had to be paid, people went along with it), and supposedly there was to be an advertising model for vendors (which obviously never made it past step one). So now, the entire site has been sold to an internet conglomerate. Will people that put hundreds (or maybe thousands?) of dollars and thousands of hours into the site see a penny for their effort? I think that answer is obvious :lliar:

Although I might admit that given the EXACT same situation, I would find my options severely limited; yet it never had to get this far in the first place!!! Corey's blind arrogance set the ball rolling, and here it lies at the inevitable result. Corey (and by some extension Chris) made their own bed, and they had to live with the consequences. When the whistle was blown on the site's financial issues, the whistle blowers were ignored, belittled, and then run off. When people asked what happened and why they were censored, and banned. Even now, when people start a thread to try and air the dirty laundry, the thread is "concluded" by Chris and closed, leaving speculation and a grand lack of information in its wake.

I for one am disgusted by this turn of events. There are a few lonely threads I will still participate in over there due to some hold-out friends, but UltimateYota is my new home.

R.I.P., Yotatech that was...

[AxleIke]

Just about everyone here has outgrown that site anyway. Tech-wise, it is useless to just about everyone.

It is a site for entry level IFS questions, or if you want to see how to do a piss poor axle swap. That is good, but it doesn't take long to grow beyond what the site can offer.

I continue to frequent to try and help the newbies who've just come into the sport, as I was helped years ago. YT easy to get to via google, this place isn't yet, but its getting there. I appreciated people taking the time to answer my questions, and i like to return the favor, for karma, if nothing else.

The sale is BS, and I'm changing my email addy.

I hope some will still go over there as I do, since right now, all the newbs have is a bunch of stupid ass motherfuckers who know jack shit about trucks sitting around telling them to search.

Or atleast direct them here, though that really doesn't help either.

I've discovered the joy of the ignore list, so i'm not bothered by the local drama, and i can browse the tech posts. If you haven't used it, I highly suggest it.

[AxleIke]

BTW, huge props on getting the site to translate into snoopbonics! Swizzle.

[BruceTS]

just as a test, I will leave my e-mail addy in their system. I know if there is a change in spam it will be comming from YT since the current amount/type of e-mail I get on that account hasn't changed in years......

[Texas Jim]

I am personally glad to see them fail! They got exactly what they deserve!! As far as them getting paid and still being on the staff. I hope the new owners perk up and flush the toilet and let the turds flow away into the cess pool that Corey belongs in.

When all of the Mods left over there, I asked a couple of questions of the big turd,(aka Corey) and all I got was grief!! When I asked for my money back, that just marked my time till someone could come up with some reason to ban me!!

As far as I am concerned, the Money$$$$ and Perks, was the only reason Corey was in it!! Bunch of A$$ Bags!! :flipoff: TJ

[Bighead]

I hope some will still go over there as I do, since right now, all the newbs have is a bunch of stupid ass ******* who know jack shizzle about trucks sitting around telling them to search.

I've discovered the joy of the ignore list, so i'm not bothered by the local drama, and i can browse the tech posts. If you haven't used it, I highly suggest it.


There is a lot of buffoonery going on over there. The level of BS advice has grown along with the lack of adult supervision. Like Isaac, I would like to help people like I have been helped over the years by Schaefer, Cheese, Abq Jim, Ron S. (VMag and 4x4Wire days) and many others but I don't want to spend all evening fixing the misinformation over there. It just seems like a lost cause over there.

I'll be curious to see where YT is 6 months from now.

[MTL_4runner]

There is a lot of buffoonery going on over there. The level of BS advice has grown along with the lack of adult supervision. Like Isaac, I would like to help people like I have been helped over the years by Schaefer, Cheese, Abq Jim, Ron S. (VMag and 4x4Wire days) and many others but I don't want to spend all evening fixing the misinformation over there. It just seems like a lost cause over there.

I'll be curious to see where YT is 6 months from now.


It's pretty close to a lost cause over there as far as tech advice. It would be damn near a full time job for 10-15 mods to fix all the crap posts, re-posts, bad advice, etc. It's a true case of the blind leading the blind and it's exactly the main reason this site was started (ie to protect as much of that community knowledge as possible). I think UY is off to a great start and should continue to flourish in the future. I wish everyone over at YT the best of luck with the transition to new owners.

[amgraham]

I agree that the tech advice is lacking over there. I mean, really, how many times can you answer questions about BJ spacers and timing chain guides?

On a different note, I'm starting to get pissed about threads getting deleted with no warning or explanation. Maybe I'm wrong but I was trying to find the thread with the guy complaining about YT being biased to 4Runners because the FAQs were for them and not pickups. I ripped him a new one and was anxious to see what the response would be since the dude had tried to justify himself in reply to everyone else.. Now I can't find the thread... :X

[AxleIke]

The blind leading the blind? Recent? You have to be kidding me. Its been like that for years. The only difference was that before the exodus, there was only one thread per idiot topic, not 3,000.

I don't stop by for long, but a couple threads here and there to try and help out. As said, fixing all the horse manure would take a year for 15 people, it's just not possible. But some help is good. There are folks here who know far more about third and 4th gen rigs that could really be assets to the newbs. Maybe they'll come over here.

[slosurfer]

I agree that the tech advice is lacking over there. I mean, really, how many times can you answer questions about BJ spacers and timing chain guides?

On a different note, I'm starting to get pissed about threads getting deleted with no warning or explanation. Maybe I'm wrong but I was trying to find the thread with the guy complaining about YT being biased to 4Runners because the FAQs were for them and not pickups. I ripped him a new one and was anxious to see what the response would be since the dude had tried to justify himself in reply to everyone else.. Now I can't find the thread... :X


I agree! That thread got deleted, I just thought I couldn't find it, but I went through my profile and looked at all my posts. I couldn't find my posts for that thread, so it must be gone.

Could be because I told the guy to sue IB if he thought there was bias and discrimination.

[TDiddy]

I hope the new owners perk up and flush the toilet and let the turds flow away into the chess pole that Corey belongs in.



What the hell is a chess pole?? :rofl:

[AxleIke]

That is a good question... LOL

[hillbilly]

What the hell is a chess pole?? :rofl:
I thought the same thing, but didn't wanna to be a dick by pointing it out... :P

[bamachem]

I hope the new owners perk up and flush the toilet and let the turds flow away into the chess pole that Corey belongs in.



What the hell is a chess pole?? :rofl:


lol... just another TJ-ism

[TDiddy]

What the hell is a chess pole?? :rofl:
I thought the same thing, but didn't wanna to be a dick by pointing it out... :P


No, being a dick would have been also pointing out 'good riddens'. :flipoff:

[hillbilly]

:booya: :thumbup:

[amgraham]

I agree that the tech advice is lacking over there. I mean, really, how many times can you answer questions about BJ spacers and timing chain guides?

On a different note, I'm starting to get pissed about threads getting deleted with no warning or explanation. Maybe I'm wrong but I was trying to find the thread with the guy complaining about YT being biased to 4Runners because the FAQs were for them and not pickups. I ripped him a new one and was anxious to see what the response would be since the dude had tried to justify himself in reply to everyone else.. Now I can't find the thread... :X


I agree! That thread got deleted, I just thought I couldn't find it, but I went through my profile and looked at all my posts. I couldn't find my posts for that thread, so it must be gone.

Could be because I told the guy to sue IB if he thought there was bias and discrimination.


Haha, yeah, I noticed that. Communism at its finest has already started!

[Bob98SR5]

i believe the freshmen senator from the state of texas meant to say "cess pool"

:rofl: funny!

TJ, feelin' the love!

[TDiddy]

TJ, it could be worse - he could have called you the senator from Idaho

[AxleIke]

TJ, it could be worse - he could have called you the senator from Idaho


OMFG. That is some funny shit.

[Texas Jim]

I hope the new owners perk up and flush the toilet and let the turds flow away into the chess pole that Corey belongs in.



What the hell is a chess pole?? :rofl:


Something that Corey can't float in....lol TJ

[Texas Jim]

i believe the freshmen senator from the state of texas meant to say "cess pool"

:rofl: funny!

TJ, feelin' the love!


Thank's Bob for fixin' me up......LOL

[Texas Jim]

TJ, it could be worse - he could have called you the senator from Idaho


Well you see it was like this... The (Not-gay,) Sentor from Idaho was in the center stall, in Minneapolis's Airport. The law enforcement officer was to his left in the next stall. Corey was in the stall on the senators right. The poor man was so confused as to which foot to play with first, and when Corey heard all the uproar of the senator being arrested he jerked his his foot back, just like a turtle.

The Moral of the story is; always go right..... :gay2: unless your Corey :tease: :burnout: LOL TJ

[Cebby]

:laugh:

[DHC6twinotter]

That's hilarious! :lol:

[Lysmachia]

I guess it is about time a pseudo mod from TOF formum speaks up...

Not sure what to say. I help out where can, moving post, helping newbs. But frankly guys my biggest priority is to wheel... not web wheel, and I make that exceedingly clear. I would hope many of you do the same rather than gripe about TOF, or infighting on this one. Know what I mean? Our wheeling time is too short to hold grudges and worry about what others do and say...

Looking forward to seeing some of you on the trails. I may not know what I am doing most of the time, but I carry enough gear and the right spares to get me and my crew off the trail safely. And honestly... isn't that what these forums are about? Kudo's to UY for starting up a forum that they felt needed to address issues they did not see addressed on YT. I for one will visit UY, YT and Cottora. Between the 3 (and the occasional Pirate and 4x4 wire lurk) I've learned a lot about what it means to be a safe wheeler, a respectful web wheeler, and I do appreciate the friendships and challenges I have met a long the way. I can't speak fro Rob and Mark as to why they stepped down. They have excellent reasons that I respect. However, they were not reasons enough for me to follow suit. Read into it how you want, but the way I look at it... I just wanna wheel, and help/learn from any others in the same boat.

Thanks for an honest and open thread.

Cheers, -Molly

[Good Times]

Molly,

I'm not sure if you are making a comment in respect to this thread and/or it's comments/posts and/or whether you are attempting to "save face" of the other forum. This thread is simply a discussion about the changing leadership / fall out of staffs on the other forum. In any organization, when the leadership changes dramatically, members get curious and concerned as to what is going on. A shaky leadership does no justice to the foundation of any organization. Members here are just discussing where the organization is heading and how these changes will affect the future outcome of the other forum. I see no harm in an open discussion though some will state that this is something that should be behind closed doors. We feel that our members should have the right to speak their mind as suppression does no justice.

Now as for the comment on the web wheel, I'm not sure how to respond to that. Are you making statements that we are all web wheelers? Are you disappointed by the fact that we have members posting in this thread? Are you stating that by posting and having an active thread about this very topic our members are all web wheelers? I really don't see where the discussion of the changing leadership roles on another forum can relate to web wheeling. In all honesty, are you here to stir the pot or add value to the discussion?

I for one will say that I am the superb ultimate cream of the crop web wheeler and will not take anything less than that as my moniker. I am proud to be the superb ultimate cream of the crop web wheeler because I am confident enough to say that I haven't wheeled in a long time. Does being a web wheeler mean that I don't know anything or does it mean that I don't wheel and just be an internet tough person? In all honesty just because one posts in these off topic threads such as this thread does not necessarily link to the poster being a web wheeler. The poster felt that they could add value to the topic by posting their views. So your comments on the so called web wheeling is very unjustified and a slap on the faces to our members including yourself.

If you have not read our mission statement, you may want to click on the logo on the top left and then scroll down to "Our Mission". Hopefully this will clear up what our intentions are and these references to web wheeling should diminish. Remember not everyone can afford this sport and by having a community where members can join and discuss the possibilities and/or dreams of what they want, we will be able to mold a new culture of outdoor enthusiasts. We are all web wheelers in the beginning but with a strong membership we will pave the way for a bright future for all of our members.




I guess it is about time a pseudo mod from TOF formum speaks up...

Not sure what to say. I help out where can, moving post, helping newbs. But frankly guys my biggest priority is to wheel... not web wheel, and I make that exceedingly clear. I would hope many of you do the same rather than gripe about TOF, or infighting on this one. Know what I mean? Our wheeling time is too short to hold grudges and worry about what others do and say...

Looking forward to seeing some of you on the trails. I may not know what I am doing most of the time, but I carry enough gear and the right spares to get me and my crew off the trail safely. And honestly... isn't that what these forums are about? Kudo's to UY for starting up a forum that they felt needed to address issues they did not see addressed on YT. I for one will visit UY, YT and Cottora. Between the 3 (and the occasional Pirate and 4x4 wire lurk) I've learned a lot about what it means to be a safe wheeler, a respectful web wheeler, and I do appreciate the friendships and challenges I have met a long the way. I can't speak fro Rob and Mark as to why they stepped down. They have excellent reasons that I respect. However, they were not reasons enough for me to follow suit. Read into it how you want, but the way I look at it... I just wanna wheel, and help/learn from any others in the same boat.

Thanks for an honest and open thread.

Cheers, -Molly

[04 Rocko Taco]

Well done Lance. Couldn't have written it much better.

[Ric]

Molly,

I'm not sure if you are making a comment in respect to this thread and/or it's comments/posts and/or whether you are attempting to "save face" of the other forum. This thread is simply a discussion about the changing leadership / fall out of staffs on the other forum. In any organization, when the leadership changes dramatically, members get curious and concerned as to what is going on. A shaky leadership does no justice to the foundation of any organization. Members here are just discussing where the organization is heading and how these changes will affect the future outcome of the other forum. I see no harm in an open discussion though some will state that this is something that should be behind closed doors. We feel that our members should have the right to speak their mind as suppression does no justice.

Now as for the comment on the web wheel, I'm not sure how to respond to that. Are you making statements that we are all web wheelers? Are you disappointed by the fact that we have members posting in this thread? Are you stating that by posting and having an active thread about this very topic our members are all web wheelers? I really don't see where the discussion of the changing leadership roles on another forum can relate to web wheeling. In all honesty, are you here to stir the pot or add value to the discussion?

I for one will say that I am the superb ultimate cream of the crop web wheeler and will not take anything less than that as my moniker. I am proud to be the superb ultimate cream of the crop web wheeler because I am confident enough to say that I haven't wheeled in a long time. Does being a web wheeler mean that I don't know anything or does it mean that I don't wheel and just be an internet tough person? In all honesty just because one posts in these off topic threads such as this thread does not necessarily link to the poster being a web wheeler. The poster felt that they could add value to the topic by posting their views. So your comments on the so called web wheeling is very unjustified and a slap on the faces to our members including yourself.

If you have not read our mission statement, you may want to click on the logo on the top left and then scroll down to "Our Mission". Hopefully this will clear up what our intentions are and these references to web wheeling should diminish. Remember not everyone can afford this sport and by having a community where members can join and discuss the possibilities and/or dreams of what they want, we will be able to mold a new culture of outdoor enthusiasts. We are all web wheelers in the beginning but with a strong membership we will pave the way for a bright future for all of our members.

very well said :bowdown:


We feel that our members should have the right to speak their mind as suppression does no justice.
I wish other forums was the same way.....

[DHC6twinotter]

I'm a web-wheeler! :angel:










for now. :D

[Ric]

nothing wrong with "web wheeling"
I web wheel everyday, lol

[YotaGirl]

:D So do I!

[traben27]

I'll chime in on this. I'll start off by saying that I do in fact have a yotatech sticker on my truck and I have been a member (not contributing) of the forum for over a year. I've learned a lot and my 4runner's undergone several changes since joining, but I'm now beginning to get that bored feeling with YT. No, this doesn't mean I don't like it and no the sticker will not be coming off my truck. I just feel that YT is a good starting place for those interested or possibly interested in wheeling. It can get you pretty far along on the road to your "dream rig", but it can really only do that, get you started. It has a lot of knowledge about topics, but I feel it's limited to only certain topics, specifically repeats of the same kinds of SAS, tires, and the "cheapest lift to fit xx" tires". I've noticed I frequent UY more and more because in my honest opinion, UY has the organization that YT is lacking severely. It seems to have grown to fast to weed out the misinformation and repeated threads and it will take a lot of work to be brought back under control. Feel free to comment/criticize what I've said, it's just the honest opinion of an 18 year old. :)

-Casey

[Lysmachia]

I web wheel every day too. :D My intent was to say that I don't know all the dirt because other than moderating where it needs to be done, I spend less time hanging out on the forum recreationally. There is truly nothing wrong with web wheeling or regular wheeling. All I was trying to say was that since I do have a truck and a club that requires a lot of attention I am not always privy to the behind the scenes reasons as to why ex mods made the decisions they did.

That was all I was saying. I am sorry if you took it as a put down. It was not meant to be in any way.

[Bob98SR5]

I've noticed I frequent UY more and more because in my honest opinion, UY has the organization that YT is lacking severely. It seems to have grown to fast to weed out the misinformation and repeated threads and it will take a lot of work to be brought back under control. Feel free to comment/criticize what I've said, it's just the honest opinion of an 18 year old. :)

-Casey


You get the award for "Smartest damned 18 year old of the Year" :D The organization you spoke of left the impotent dictatorship at YT and we started this place.

Thanks for the astute observation. Validates what we've said all along :thumbup:

[Lee]

I web wheel every day too. :D My intent was to say that I don't know all the dirt because other than moderating where it needs to be done, I spend less time hanging out on the forum recreationally. There is truly nothing wrong with web wheeling or regular wheeling. All I was trying to say was that since I do have a truck and a club that requires a lot of attention I am not always privy to the behind the scenes reasons as to why ex mods made the decisions they did.

That was all I was saying. I am sorry if you took it as a put down. It was not meant to be in any way.
good thing you posted that then!! thanks for the non info!!

[Lysmachia]

I guess I'll take my toys and go home now? c'mon guys. Toyota is a community. We should be fighting with Isuzu's or something... ;)

[rocket]

I'll chime in on this. I'll start off by saying that I do in fact have a yotatech sticker on my truck and I have been a member (not contributing) of the forum for over a year. I've learned a lot and my 4runner's undergone several changes since joining, but I'm now beginning to get that bored feeling with YT. No, this doesn't mean I don't like it and no the sticker will not be coming off my truck. I just feel that YT is a good starting place for those interested or possibly interested in wheeling. It can get you pretty far along on the road to your "dream rig", but it can really only do that, get you started.

Search the fab tech section. It's updated all the time. A lot of the same posted threads here are also over there including at TTORA. "Get you started" is an major understatement. Almost anyone can easily learn how to SAS by searching there. Show me where UT is any different.



It has a lot of knowledge about topics, but I feel it's limited to only certain topics, specifically repeats of the same kinds of SAS, tires, and the "cheapest lift to fit xx" tires".

Really? Can you please share what kind of SAS is better than the "repeats" of what you've seen there? :shake:
Have you read all the threads posted by the very same staff that created UT? TONS of info is there and always will be. Repeats are a great thing. If it's newbish, it (finally) gets moved.



I've noticed I frequent UY more and more because in my honest opinion, UY has the organization that YT is lacking severely. It seems to have grown to fast to weed out the misinformation and repeated threads and it will take a lot of work to be brought back under control. Feel free to comment/criticize what I've said, it's just the honest opinion of an 18 year old. :)

This is what pissed me off for alomst a year and why i wanted to help. If you haven't noticed, you can see what i've been doing there almost every night. Things are and will be continually improving. The past dictatorship is gone.

Like i said before, its about the TOYOTA community! Sitting here and downplaying other forums shows absolutely nothing.

We all came here for the same reasons. So what matters more?

Wanna wheel? show something you made, changed, installed?

Damn.

[rocket]

What was said all along was about about a single person. Eventually it slowly became about midiwall and those of you afraid to admit it, WATRD.

Where are they now??? What a waste!

As mods, they did nothing for YT.

Get back to the point.

We all love 4runners, Tacomas, Toyotas, and Wheeling.

Please let the drama end. Let it die! Make it die!

[rocket]

thanks for the non info!!

So is the rest of this thread considered useful info? or did i miss something?

Transformers was a good movie.

Why dose this crap continue? We all drive the same truck.

[Cebby]

You bring the drama and then want it to die? Maybe after I address a few things first.





I'll chime in on this. I'll start off by saying that I do in fact have a yotatech sticker on my truck and I have been a member (not contributing) of the forum for over a year. I've learned a lot and my 4runner's undergone several changes since joining, but I'm now beginning to get that bored feeling with YT. No, this doesn't mean I don't like it and no the sticker will not be coming off my truck. I just feel that YT is a good starting place for those interested or possibly interested in wheeling. It can get you pretty far along on the road to your "dream rig", but it can really only do that, get you started.

Search the fab tech section. It's updated all the time. A lot of the same posted threads here are also over there including at TTORA. "Get you started" is an major understatement. Almost anyone can easily learn how to SAS by searching there. Show me where UT is any different.

For starters, it's UY, not UT. UltimateYota, not UltimateToyota...common mistake, but I digress.

The complaint about the content at YT now is a vaild one. I still lurk, but feel strongly about putting my posting efforts where the ownership has a common goal. The problem with YT starts at the top (PO) where in effect, he poisons moderators minds that we're the enemy. All the internet tough guy talk coming out of him is the justification for this statement. His ham-handed attempts to goat us into posting (when we do it's promptly deleted), are typically chock full of innuendo directed at us.

After you and Molly copy/paste our comments on the subject back over there in staff, no doubt another comment or two will be concocted on your home board.

BTW, you can't possibly mean search the fab section. You must mean browse - since the search isn't worth shit over there.





It has a lot of knowledge about topics, but I feel it's limited to only certain topics, specifically repeats of the same kinds of SAS, tires, and the "cheapest lift to fit xx" tires".

Really? Can you please share what kind of SAS is better than the "repeats" of what you've seen there? :shake:
Have you read all the threads posted by the very same staff that created UT? TONS of info is there and always will be. Repeats are a great thing. If it's newbish, it (finally) gets moved.

Again, if browsing the New Posts since searching is spotty at best, he's right on with the theme and tone of the board over there. As a mod, it's not just moving posts to the right spots, it's posting in those threads and not only offering tech, but guiding those newbish members to add to existing threads rather than add to the index with extra additional new threads that serve no purpose. I realize since the search sucks that this is tough to enforce, but maybe some thread merges by the mods can help stem the tide of garbage. We made a practice of deleting NVA posts. NVA = No Value Added. That's also sorely needed.

The ground we laid is still there, with good structure and tech, but I fear much of it has been buried in anonymity due to the search issues. What really needs to happen is go back to Mid Feb of this year and start going through threads from there.





I've noticed I frequent UY more and more because in my honest opinion, UY has the organization that YT is lacking severely. It seems to have grown to fast to weed out the misinformation and repeated threads and it will take a lot of work to be brought back under control. Feel free to comment/criticize what I've said, it's just the honest opinion of an 18 year old. :)

This is what pissed me off for almost a year and why i wanted to help. If you haven't noticed, you can see what I've been doing there almost every night. Things are and will be continually improving. The past dictatorship is gone.

Like i said before, its about the TOYOTA community! Sitting here and downplaying other forums shows absolutely nothing.

We all came here for the same reasons. So what matters more?

Wanna wheel? show something you made, changed, installed?

Damn.


Unfortunately it takes a sizable team of moderators with a like mindset to moderate a place with as much traffic as YT - not just one eager beaver. Molly has been clear that wheeling comes first and that she just doesn't have the time to devote to it. So that leaves yo and the other two newbie mods. You need a team of 12-15 mods for a place that size. Unfortunately, your admin is a control freak on top of all of his detriments, so good luck getting the help you need. Keep in mind, your "leader" is not above moderation. If you see him spewing stupidity, censor him. He posts without much thought a lot of times.

It IS about TOYOTA community. We're all about that here. We also firmly believe that folks should take it upon themselves to evaluate the quality of the information and make their own choices about where and what they post. We don't censor our members and we've got our shit together.

I, for one, don't take kindly to you coming in here and berating a member for speaking his mind. His opinions are valid, but are just that, opinions (that he's entitled to) He's made his decision and doesn't need to be brow beaten about it. Not all of us drank the kool-aid. I hope you have a moment of clarity to see the big picture - but, blind ambition gets stuff accomplished too. Good Luck in your new role.

[Cebby]

What was said all along was about a single person. Eventually it slowly became about midiwall and those of you afraid to admit it, WATRD.

Where are they now??? What a waste!

As mods, they did nothing for YT.

Get back to the point.

We all love 4runners, Tacomas, Toyotas, and Wheeling.

Please let the drama end. Let it die! Make it die!

It's easy to be critical of past staff because, let's face it - it's easy to pass blame on those no longer around. I like and respect WATRD despite that not being a popular opinion around here. Midiwall on the other hand came in here, guns blazing and has done a nice job burning a bridge. As far as their effectiveness - meh, not many here paid close enough attention to give a valid evaluation.

Unfortunately for the YT community, this all comes back to suspect decision making capability. It starts at the top with a warped sense of self-impotence, err I mean importance, and over inflated view of self worth.

If there was an ounce of humility and a functioning moral compass from your admin, we might actually all be on YT talking about other stuff.

[Cebby]

thanks for the non info!!

So is the rest of this thread considered useful info? or did i miss something?

Transformers was a good movie.

Why dose this crap continue? We all drive the same truck.


We don't censor our members - there' a line, but it's fuzzy. Plus, it's an OT thread, so who cares where it goes?

Glad Transformers is good. It is sitting here from Netflix waiting to be watched.

[Ric]

what i really like about this place over the other, is that IF a member here, does have an issue with a mod, that mod doesnt ban the member, that mod doesnt "edit" the members post, the member here can speak freely, we can say what we want (within reason) and IMO thats huge.....
This is why Im here, that and the great amount of knowleage that the members/staff here have and share :clap:


After you and Molly copy/paste our comments on the subject back over there in staff, no doubt another comment or two will be concocted on your home board.

I know that molly does this, so please Erik dont sink to her level, your better than that, Ive met you, Ive wheeled with you, you are a better person, or ya use to be, Ive havent wheeled with in in awhile.. dont let it go to your head.

[neliconcept]

Ive pretty much stayed out of this thread but now im getting mad. Rocket dude no offense, but werent you on the same line we were before you even started to mod there?

now you are telling us to give up and not figure out what is going on?

thats like telling someone "DUDE DONT VOTE, OUR PRESIDENT LOVES US, HE WONT MAKE US PAY FOR ANYTHING WE DONT HAVE TO.... PFFFFFT BULL####"

how i feel the contributions over there is, where the hell is it going? why is all of this change happening and happpening so fast.

done!

[Cheese]

The drama is over poor decision making and the inability of people to stay quiet.

Decisions were made by other people in other places at other times. The rub is not because of the trucks we drive, it is because of the decisions that were made.

I have never had some many posts deleted as I have there.

Honestly, why come here under the guise of "truth dissemination"? I am confident none of those speaking know wholly what happened, me included. I know enough from people I trust to make a decision. I am not am ambassador.

There is a rift, it is real and it is fine. We don't have to be friends with all the people all the time so long as there are REAL reasons for action. I can sleep at night.

[fustercluck]

All hands on deck to the lounge...http://www.ultimateyota.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=2819.0

[rocket]

You bring the drama and then want it to die? Maybe after I address a few things first.
I brought drama? wow come on..if anything i'm wishing to stop it.


The complaint about the content at YT now is a vaild one. I still lurk, but feel strongly about putting my posting efforts where the ownership has a common goal. The problem with YT starts at the top (PO) where in effect, he poisons moderators minds that we're the enemy. All the internet tough guy talk coming out of him is the justification for this statement. His ham-handed attempts to goat us into posting (when we do it's promptly deleted), are typically chock full of innuendo directed at us.
So, what does this have to do with a community that loves our trucks? The issue you have is about Corey. I've stayed out of it because it's NOT what brought us together. The YT "complaint" here has evolved a few times and it's getting old. It started out with Corey and is now about the forum as a whole.


After you and Molly copy/paste our comments on the subject back over there in staff, no doubt another comment or two will be concocted on your home board.
I could care less about posting anything said here over there. It's all drama. Personal drama.
I'm there to help, not spread conflicts that create borders between a common interest.


BTW, you can't possibly mean search the fab section. You must mean browse - since the search isn't worth shizzle over there.
Yes, referring to the 18 year old with no concept on whats actually there...and his "repeats of the same kinds of SAS". Funny stuff.

[rocket]

Again, if browsing the New Posts since searching is spotty at best, he's right on with the theme and tone of the board over there. As a mod, it's not just moving posts to the right spots, it's posting in those threads and not only offering tech, but guiding those newbish members to add to existing threads rather than add to the index with extra additional new threads that serve no purpose. I realize since the search sucks that this is tough to enforce, but maybe some thread merges by the mods can help stem the tide of garbage. We made a practice of deleting NVA posts. NVA = No Value Added. That's also sorely needed.

The ground we laid is still there, with good structure and tech, but I fear much of it has been buried in anonymity due to the search issues. What really needs to happen is go back to Mid Feb of this year and start going through threads from there.

This is exactly what i'm constantly fixing and care about the most. In due time the changes will be seen. Again, it's for the Yota love i have and nothing else.



Unfortunately it takes a sizable team of moderators with a like mindset to moderate a place with as much traffic as YT - not just one eager beaver. Molly has been clear that wheeling comes first and that she just doesn't have the time to devote to it. So that leaves yo and the other two newbie mods. You need a team of 12-15 mods for a place that size. Unfortunately, your admin is a control freak on top of all of his detriments, so good luck getting the help you need. Keep in mind, your "leader" is not above moderation. If you see him spewing stupidity, censor him. He posts without much thought a lot of times.

It takes someone who genuinely cares, planting a solid structure and weeding out
the problem areas...something that Bob practically did alone for a very long time. I intend to keep it the same but have A LOT of catching up to do. The forum and it's members will always be my highest priority.


It IS about TOYOTA community. We're all about that here. We also firmly believe that folks should take it upon themselves to evaluate the quality of the information and make their own choices about where and what they post. We don't censor our members and we've got our shizzle together.

Agreed. I'm no different than you and in due time, TOF will be on track like it was 2 years ago. Stay tuned.

[rocket]

I, for one, don't take kindly to you coming in here and berating a member for speaking his mind. His opinions are valid, but are just that, opinions (that he's entitled to) He's made his decision and doesn't need to be brow beaten about it. Not all of us drank the kool-aid. I hope you have a moment of clarity to see the big picture - but, blind ambition gets stuff accomplished too. Good Luck in your new role.


I asked questions. and very valid questions which i hope i'm entitled to as well.

BTW, try some Kombucha, it's good for ya. :thumbup:

[rocket]

Ive pretty much stayed out of this thread but now im getting mad. Rocket dude no offense, but werent you on the same line we were before you even started to mod there?
Absolutely not. Since the beginning, I've been pissed off at the lack of information that STILL exists today. 99% of it is now obvious, but the real reason is still uncounted for. It's like some big secret that has never, not once been openly expressed.

I look at it like this: Move on or tell full the story. If your going to stick up for whatever the hell your sticking up for then say it in pain English. On the other hand, i respect the decision and really don't care. But don't make it out to be one thing and then help evolve it into another.


now you are telling us to give up and not figure out what is going on?
I'm saying to give up the bashing of another forum. Stop the puss talk. Stop the hate.
It was NEVER allowed there before...the very same mods here would ban or warn you at YT for bashing other forums.
I can't believe it's ok to do it here. Very ironic.


thats like telling someone "DUDE DONT VOTE, OUR PRESIDENT LOVES US, HE WONT MAKE US PAY FOR ANYTHING WE DONT HAVE TO.... PFFFFFT
BULL####"
yep, it's pretty sad.

[Good Times]

Rocket, didn't you post early on about how you were surprised that Molly became a YT moderator when in fact she was also a staff member of TTORA? Something to the tune of "I could write a damn chapter about everything i see happening but for now i'll just watch it all unfold."?

It's really funny how your tune has dramatically changed now that you're a YT staff. Strange how your views can suddenly get clouded. :lliar: I'm also surprised at the fact that you're still debating these comments that our members are making. If you really want the drama to end why post? I mean considering how this thread was pretty much dead for some time I'm surprised that one post by a fellow UY member complaining about email spam lead to a YT staff to comment back. If you really think about it, if nobody posted back besides the UY member complaining about spam, this current episode of tension would have never erupted into anything.

I will end with one comment. Yes having accurate tech is valuable but it's nothing compared to the camaraderie and friendship that we offer. We believe that the personal interactions help bridge the gap that the world wide web lacks. Anyone can google stuff they need to find but it's the personal interactions that drives our membership to grow. We value our community and we respect them highly. This is the biggest difference between our community and others. I'm sure there are other communities out there that are similar to ours but we continue to strive for higher standards ensuring the best experience possible for our community.

Good luck to you at YT on rebuilding the business. It will be an uphill battle for you since the foundation has been severely diminished but I am certain over time with the right staff YT will recover. Time will only tell.

[Ric]

Rocket, didn't you post early on about how you were surprised that Molly became a YT moderator when in fact she was also a staff member of TTORA? Something to the tune of "I could write a damn chapter about everything i see happening but for now i'll just watch it all unfold."?

It's really funny how your tune has dramatically changed now that you're a YT staff. Strange how your views can suddenly get clouded. I'm also surprised at the fact that you're still debating these comments that our members are making. If you really want the drama to end why post? I mean considering how this thread was pretty much dead for some time I'm surprised that one post by a fellow UY member complaining about email spam lead to a YT staff to comment back. If you really think about it, if nobody posted back besides the UY member complaining about spam, this current episode of tension would have never erupted into anything.

I will end with one comment. Yes having accurate tech is valuable but it's nothing compared to the camaraderie and friendship that we offer. We believe that the personal interactions help bridge the gap that the world wide web lacks. Anyone can google stuff they need to find but it's the personal interactions that drives our membership to grow. We value our community and we respect them highly. This is the biggest difference between our community and others. I'm sure there are other communities out there that are similar to ours but we continue to strive for higher standards ensuring the best experience possible for our community.

Good luck to you at YT on rebuilding the business. It will be an uphill battle for you since the foundation has been severely diminished but I am certain over time with the right staff YT will recover. Time will only tell.
nicely said :thumbup:

[DHC6twinotter]

I will end with one comment. Yes having accurate tech is valuable but it's nothing compared to the camaraderie and friendship that we offer. We believe that the personal interactions help bridge the gap that the world wide web lacks. Anyone can google stuff they need to find but it's the personal interactions that drives our membership to grow. We value our community and we respect them highly. This is the biggest difference between our community and others. I'm sure there are other communities out there that are similar to ours but we continue to strive for higher standards ensuring the best experience possible for our community.

:good:

I'm always surprised at the amount of time that people are spending in the Chat section of this site. For a forum that is still on the small side, the chat gets a lot of attention. While chat isn't really as personal as meeting somebody face-to-face, it gives a much better idea of a person's character or personality than just posting in a thread. I know TOF has a chat, but it didn't seem to get that much attention. Maybe it's just me and I don't check enough. :headscratch:

Just my $.02. :D

[Cebby]

Again, if browsing the New Posts since searching is spotty at best, he's right on with the theme and tone of the board over there. As a mod, it's not just moving posts to the right spots, it's posting in those threads and not only offering tech, but guiding those newbish members to add to existing threads rather than add to the index with extra additional new threads that serve no purpose. I realize since the search sucks that this is tough to enforce, but maybe some thread merges by the mods can help stem the tide of garbage. We made a practice of deleting NVA posts. NVA = No Value Added. That's also sorely needed.

The ground we laid is still there, with good structure and tech, but I fear much of it has been buried in anonymity due to the search issues. What really needs to happen is go back to Mid Feb of this year and start going through threads from there.

This is exactly what i'm constantly fixing and care about the most. In due time the changes will be seen. Again, it's for the Yota love i have and nothing else.



Unfortunately it takes a sizable team of moderators with a like mindset to moderate a place with as much traffic as YT - not just one eager beaver. Molly has been clear that wheeling comes first and that she just doesn't have the time to devote to it. So that leaves yo and the other two newbie mods. You need a team of 12-15 mods for a place that size. Unfortunately, your admin is a control freak on top of all of his detriments, so good luck getting the help you need. Keep in mind, your "leader" is not above moderation. If you see him spewing stupidity, censor him. He posts without much thought a lot of times.

It takes someone who genuinely cares, planting a solid structure and weeding out
the problem areas...something that Bob practically did alone for a very long time. I intend to keep it the same but have A LOT of catching up to do. The forum and it's members will always be my highest priority.


It IS about TOYOTA community. We're all about that here. We also firmly believe that folks should take it upon themselves to evaluate the quality of the information and make their own choices about where and what they post. We don't censor our members and we've got our shizzle together.

Agreed. I'm no different than you and in due time, TOF will be on track like it was 2 years ago. Stay tuned.

I applaud your eagerness and hope the best for your efforts. I also hope that there are others on staff with a like mindset since it will be an utterly momentous task for one person. I haven't heard much about the efforts or character of Fink or Aviator in their new roles. I hope they can remain level headed and gung ho like you seem to be.

Do I have gripes about your leadership over there? Sure I do - I've made no effort to hide my feelings on the subject. The team that left were able to make YT succeed despite the ownership. Kind of like protecting him from himself. Stick to your guns when something doesn't 'smell right'. Minimize the stuff that adds no value and stick to your guns. You will be tested for sure.

You have the right attitude - putting the members and knowledge-base first. If you are able to stay the course of that agenda and gain additional staff members to help maintain your initiatives (so you don't burn out), you'll have a good chance of achieving your goals.

The downward spiral has been less than a year in the making, not two. It has fallen hard and fast. I don't remember the exact date when we had essentially moved on despite still being staff members, but it wasn't more than a year ago.

[reggie 00]

I will end with one comment. Yes having accurate tech is valuable but it's nothing compared to the camaraderie and friendship that we offer. We believe that the personal interactions help bridge the gap that the world wide web lacks. Anyone can google stuff they need to find but it's the personal interactions that drives our membership to grow. We value our community and we respect them highly. This is the biggest difference between our community and others. I'm sure there are other communities out there that are similar to ours but we continue to strive for higher standards ensuring the best experience possible for our community.





Yes nail on the head.

I can find info anywhere.
I come back and continue to come back because it is like a family here.
I know i can bring my family to an event and have a good time.

The same can probably be said for TOF events. but for reasons already stated i just dont spend as much time over there. And since i dont have anything constructive to say that would help....

[Cebby]

You bring the drama and then want it to die? Maybe after I address a few things first.
I brought drama? wow come on..if anything i'm wishing to stop it.


The complaint about the content at YT now is a vaild one. I still lurk, but feel strongly about putting my posting efforts where the ownership has a common goal. The problem with YT starts at the top (PO) where in effect, he poisons moderators minds that we're the enemy. All the internet tough guy talk coming out of him is the justification for this statement. His ham-handed attempts to goat us into posting (when we do it's promptly deleted), are typically chock full of innuendo directed at us.
So, what does this have to do with a community that loves our trucks? The issue you have is about Corey. I've stayed out of it because it's NOT what brought us together. The YT "complaint" here has evolved a few times and it's getting old. It started out with Corey and is now about the forum as a whole.


After you and Molly copy/paste our comments on the subject back over there in staff, no doubt another comment or two will be concocted on your home board.
I could care less about posting anything said here over there. It's all drama. Personal drama.
I'm there to help, not spread conflicts that create borders between a common interest.


BTW, you can't possibly mean search the fab section. You must mean browse - since the search isn't worth shizzle over there.
Yes, referring to the 18 year old with no concept on whats actually there...and his "repeats of the same kinds of SAS". Funny stuff.



I'm with Lance (great post BTW) on this - the drama only seems to start when a YT staff member comes over to tell our members that their gripes are invalid. We don't subscribe to filling our members mouths with our words - they're free to voice their own opinion. Our members enjoy a freedom of expression you can't find elsewhere. Should the comments starting with the YT email address harvesting been a new thread? Maybe...might still be a good idea to split it off onto it's own.

"the 18 year old" who you are referring to has a name - Traben27 aka Casey. He's right on the mark. How many SAS kit install questions or tire fitment questions need their own threads? Until the search is fixed, you will be dealing with this. Browsing all the threads to find stuff sucks. Our search is great - that and we have an appropriately sized staff to address the content. The search at YT has been fubar for nearly 10 months. Still not fixed. Hopefully the new ownership is listening and addressing it. Fixing it is way over your current leadership's head.

I have no problem with you addressing our members with questions if they've raised issues they have with your homefield. I'd encourage it - it's good feedback for you. I took exception to the tone - the 'rolleyes' smilie, the telling him to search when you are well aware that the search is awful, etc. I know that the typed word doesn't necessarily reflect your intended tone, but sounded a bit snotty to me.

[Cebby]

I will end with one comment. Yes having accurate tech is valuable but it's nothing compared to the camaraderie and friendship that we offer. We believe that the personal interactions help bridge the gap that the world wide web lacks. Anyone can google stuff they need to find but it's the personal interactions that drives our membership to grow. We value our community and we respect them highly. This is the biggest difference between our community and others. I'm sure there are other communities out there that are similar to ours but we continue to strive for higher standards ensuring the best experience possible for our community.

:good:

I'm always surprised at the amount of time that people are spending in the Chat section of this site. For a forum that is still on the small side, the chat gets a lot of attention. While chat isn't really as personal as meeting somebody face-to-face, it gives a much better idea of a person's character or personality than just posting in a thread. I know TOF has a chat, but it didn't seem to get that much attention. Maybe it's just me and I don't check enough. :headscratch:

Just my $.02. :D


Good post Daniel. What I've found interesting is that we have folks in our chat at all hours of the day. Not sure what our record number is that we've had in there at once, but it is clear that it's a viable tool for strengthening our community, not just a novelty or a checkbox on a feature list.

I enjoy the time I've spent in the chat with our members - hasn't been a lot, but it's always memorable and enjoyable. I hope to spend more time in the chat moving forward.

[Texas Jim]

Agreed. I'm no different than you and in due time, TOF will be on track like it was 2 years ago. Stay tuned.


Well if that isn't "FAMIOUS LAST WORDS," I don't think I have heard them before.

Rocket, I was banned by midwall because of something I had done for months. He blamed it on the other mods being lazy. Which are mostly here now and started this wonderful forum. Now that midwall is gone or has quit. Why can't I go back there??

Do you know why??? I do, it's because you leader, Cory, (aka Shrek,) is truly in fear of me.

Really couldn't tell you why, but you should ask him,(face to face,) and see if he can look you in the eye..... TJ

[neliconcept]

Good luck with it! is all I have to say

maybe it can turn around.

[Bighead]

It looks like it will be tough going for Rocket. Apparently he is the only new mod that feels some change needs to happen at TOF... ( http://www.yotatech.com/f5/who-new-mods-what-do-you-want-see-out-yt-127757/ )


I'm another newbie Mod.
I think YT is great, I can't think of anything major that needs to be changed, mainly just monitored. A lot of the immature people from other boards tend to come on here and do stupid stuff, a few more Mods will make it easier to catch and stop.

Either way, all I can say is :yotarock: :guitar: :rockin: :guitar:

Fink:devil:


hey gilby I'm one of the new mods here...
what can I say?...hmmm... I can't really think of anything drastic that needs changing here, I'd like us to stay a friendly, open [relatively] forum like we are now other then that...

[Cebby]

Good luck with it! is all I have to say

maybe it can turn around.


Already an uphill battle it looks like. Can I hear a 'FREE ROCKET'?? :D

I feel sorry for him.

[Texas Jim]

The poor guy doesn't know yet he is a member of a complete "Dictator Regime!" Only time will convince him. Then we will see what he has to say? TJ

[Cebby]

The poor guy doesn't know yet he is a member of a complete "Dictator Regime!" Only time will convince him. Then we will see what he has to say? TJ


We've all been giving Rocket some gentle nudges on the subject - he gets it. But, he's a man on a mission and I applaud his optimistic attitude toward righting the ship. I hope, for the sake of the body of knowledge over there that we all contributed time and effort to help grow, that Rocket can put himself above the petty stuff that goes on behind the scenes int he YT staff section and get the job done. Hopefully he'll get a voice in selection of the additional mods they sorely need to help fix things.

[neliconcept]

shite i was just banned? im freakin done with that crap.

[AxleIke]

Blake, didn't you want to be banned? I thought that was the whole point when you started cussing just to be cussing in a thread? I thought it was pretty clever, since you used enough words to hit the permaban via the bad language point system. I assumed you were trying to get banned.

[BruceTS]

I agree the mods over there have their work cut out for them, considering there is 10 threads on in the 3rd gen section on Daylight running lights alone....and that was in the top 20 topics.....


neliconcept what horrendous rule did you break?

[neliconcept]

Blake, didn't you want to be banned? I thought that was the whole point when you started cussing just to be cussing in a thread? I thought it was pretty clever, since you used enough words to hit the permaban via the bad language point system. I assumed you were trying to get banned.


thats now why the ban happened, which it should have, its me questiong a question in the what will the new mods do for YT that made it happen.. which actually makes me mad.

i deserved it from that thread. but i thought it was 20 points per post, which would have put me to 60

oh well, im done over there. Rocket is now tuff stuff so he can do what he wants.

[neliconcept]

eh oh well i deserved it and i went out with a stupid bang

fun stuff. ill stop clogging up this thread and bumping it

on to the tech

[Bob98SR5]

blake,

that was roll off the freakin' chair funny! i bet a certain angry tuff guy fondled his tuff guy ar-15 that sits on his tuff guy desk when he read your posts :rofl:

[calrockx]

any forum that doesn't allow for the user to choose if he/she wants selected words to be filtered is dumb.

[MTL_4runner]

Same old shizzle in the YT camp. :roll:

[BruceTS]

neliconcept I'm really surprised they didn't delete those stupid post of yours, but I think you hurt someones ego that's why you got banned. Strange how someones attitude can do a 180 when they get a little power..... maybe one day I'll go over there and get myself banned since they won't delete my account.....

[emptypockets]

Blake, I just read the post on YT that got you banned and nearly wet myself! I'm surprised it hasn't been deleted yet.

I, for one, am really sad that things have gone south for YT. It was once a strong wealth of information, but it does seem that there's a dumbing down effect there lately. Most of us have built our rigs based on the information we got there. I owe most of you a word of thanks for helping me and giving me advice on my rig too. Maybe they will be able to bring it back to its former glory in the future. Even though I'm not a posting machine, I do frequent both UY and YT, among others. Having two stong sites would be a big benefit for the Toyota offroading comminity.

[04 Rocko Taco]

Okay, linky to this thread of blakes before it gets deleted...

[emptypockets]

Here's the link Chris. Hope Blake is okay with me posting it.

http://www.yotatech.com/f92/infraction-system-questions-125710/#post50646328

[04 Rocko Taco]

niiice.

[neliconcept]

maybe im supposed to be the example for what a person gets banned for.

i dont know and dont care. the threads in 95.04-96-02 4runners section was getting ridiculous. i like my drls... how to disable drls, wtf are drls?? come on.

[Ric]

what I have never understood over there, was if a mod gets called out, they lock the thread, delete the post or even the thread :screwy:

a mod was called out:
but ive seen worse behavior in some threads from you getting offensive in the shrockworks thread noew the thread is closed :shake:

This isnt the first time either.

[calrockx]

so...at yt, i can log in, and it says i'm a contributing member, but...
i can't start any threads. hmm....

[bamachem]

so...at yt, i can log in, and it says i'm a contributing member, but...
i can't start any threads. hmm....


it's called selective membership. lol... they want to punish those who speak out against their ways, but they don't want to do it publically in order to hide behind the scenes.

hell, i was banned for stuff that i sent in a PM to another member (corey was monitoring my PM's - yes, he has the plug-in installed to see anyone's PM's) in february IIRC and i was still listed as "contributing member" until mid-summer, just to maintain the appearance that i wasn't banned...

[neliconcept]

so...at yt, i can log in, and it says i'm a contributing member, but...
i can't start any threads. hmm....


wtf? i pushed my limits to get banned, what have you even done?

[04 Rocko Taco]

so...at yt, i can log in, and it says i'm a contributing member, but...
i can't start any threads. hmm....


wtf? i pushed my limits to get banned, what have you even done?


He's here isn't he?

[b][color=yellow]EDIT: I, apparently, am the chosen one, and have been asked to tell you to check your PM's over on TOF Charles....

I received this PM from Corey just now.... not knowing how else to contact you, I am posting it here. :)


Tell Charles to not have a cow.
Tell him to check his PM on the forum here.

There is a reason he could not post, and I just fixed it.
It was his fault, no fault of mine or the forum.

[Ric]

hell, i was banned for stuff that i sent in a PM to another member
you and me both, oh well, she can do what she wants there, shes the all mighty :rofl: she aint nothing here :thumbup:

ohh I just had to redo my signature over there, lol

[neliconcept]

so...at yt, i can log in, and it says i'm a contributing member, but...
i can't start any threads. hmm....


it's called selective membership. lol... they want to punish those who speak out against their ways, but they don't want to do it publically in order to hide behind the scenes.

hell, i was banned for stuff that i sent in a PM to another member (corey was monitoring my PM's - yes, he has the plug-in installed to see anyone's PM's) in february IIRC and i was still listed as "contributing member" until mid-summer, just to maintain the appearance that i wasn't banned...


when this all happened Andy, I was able to look in the staff forums from the new moderators computer, What corey told all of them for the reason you, garrett, matt (localmotion) were banned was due to multiple accounts.. (which is pretty gay imo)

so thats interesting to hear from you. seems like a bs excuse from him.

[bamachem]

i did NOT have multiple accounts until my original bamachem account was banned. that's when i signed up another account, and it was promptly banned.

it all happened when garrett told me about a prank that he was going to pull on april fool's. i told matt (localmotion) about it for a good laugh via PM on YT. that's when corey read my PM to matt and banned all three of us when matt and i had NOTHING to do with the prank (multiple accounts named Gangus1, Gangus2, Gangus3, etc that would be posting on April 1). corey had mentioned to me before in a PM that "us admin can see all here", referring to PM's that i had sent to some of my co-founders here when all the shizzle was hitting the fan at YT.

plain and simply, i had crossed corey when i called him out on why the old moderator staff resigned. i broke no rules, so he didn't have a valid reason to ban me. when he saw the PM that i sent to matt, he lumped matt and i in with garrett since we knew about the prank and did noting to inform him of it, therefore we were guilty by association. if he wanted to get to the bottom of the whole thing, he could look at the IP addresses on the new Gangus* accounts and see that matt and i had nothing to do with them. however, he had his "excuse" that he could use with Chris (kctopher) in order to get rid of me and matt since we had ruffled his feathers in the process of exposing the moderator's resignation - which i stumbled onto myself when i saw that Bob was no longer listed as a moderator of a section. i asked him about it, which opened the flood gates of emails from all the former moderators - which in turn brought about this place - and i couldn't be happier!

[emptypockets]

maybe im supposed to be the example for what a person gets banned for.

i dont know and dont care. the threads in 95.04-96-02 4runners section was getting ridiculous. i like my drls... how to disable drls, wtf are drls?? come on.


Corey's reasoning for the DRL posting was that someone who figured out how to disable them posted in all the old forums on the subject. I guess that's possible, but why not warn that poster and fix the threads instead of banning people that can help you build the forum back up. I seems he's cutting off his nose to spite his face.

[BruceTS]

If you need to know how to have multiple accounts on any forum without them knowing is quite easy, don't use your current IP you can never be tracked.....

[Cebby]

so...at yt, i can log in, and it says i'm a contributing member, but...
i can't start any threads. hmm....


wtf? i pushed my limits to get banned, what have you even done?


He's here isn't he?

[b][color=yellow]EDIT: I, apparently, am the chosen one, and have been asked to tell you to check your PM's over on TOF Charles....

I received this PM from Corey just now.... not knowing how else to contact you, I am posting it here. :)


Tell Charles to not have a cow.
Tell him to check his PM on the forum here.

There is a reason he could not post, and I just fixed it.
It was his fault, no fault of mine or the forum.


The only thing it could possibly be that would be Chaz's fault would be changing his EM address and not reconfirming it. If it's not that, it's back to standard procedure for Corey - it's anyones fault but his own.

Interesting how there is a direct pipeline of info from this thread to the fart sack himself. How would he have known of the problem without someone telling him. (UY's OT is not visibile to guests - and Corey isn't registered)

I forgot about the whole PM snooping he does there. I keep my correspondence with YT members to email (or PM's over here after they are invited to join)

[BruceTS]

:rofl: :rofl: this thread is so comical :rofl: :rofl: that I can't stop reading it :rofl: :rofl:

[04 Rocko Taco]

Apparently, it was just as you described Mike, the no reconfirm on the email addy over there on TOF.
I also do not know how Corey knew about this thread. I was talking to Lance about it... lol.
But alas, the thread goes on.

[bamachem]

Interesting how there is a direct pipeline of info from this thread to the fart sack himself. How would he have known of the problem without someone telling him. (UY's OT is not visibile to guests - and Corey isn't registered)

I forgot about the whole PM snooping he does there. I keep my correspondence with YT members to email (or PM's over here after they are invited to join)


well, the name "COREY" isn't, but there's 1131 members and counting and any one of a thousand could be him lurking and snooping in the member areas. hell, he probably spends as much time here evesdropping as he does at TOF. :D

[Cebby]

Well, he didn't use his home IP (I saved that for posterity - knew I'd need it someday). If he wants to go to the trouble of using a proxy just to keep tabs on everything everyone says about him or YT (instead of registering), that just shows his true colors. I'm not surprised.

[Bighead]

:rofl: :rofl: this thread is so comical :rofl: :rofl: that I can't stop reading it :rofl: :rofl:


Yeah, it's like a car wreck...you can't help but stop and stare.

[calrockx]

oh yeah, ha.
it was my fault - i put in a fake email address.
corey fixed the issue.

yay, now i can cause trouble over there! i mean, NOT cause trouble.

[BruceTS]

I feel this thread needs to be stickied :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[BruceTS]

I got my own drama going on at TTORA, teaching someone not to mess with me, especially when I have accurate data.......

[neliconcept]

i did NOT have multiple accounts until my original bamachem account was banned. that's when i signed up another account, and it was promptly banned.

it all happened when garrett told me about a prank that he was going to pull on april fool's. i told matt (localmotion) about it for a good laugh via PM on YT. that's when corey read my PM to matt and banned all three of us when matt and i had NOTHING to do with the prank (multiple accounts named Gangus1, Gangus2, Gangus3, etc that would be posting on April 1). corey had mentioned to me before in a PM that "us admin can see all here", referring to PM's that i had sent to some of my co-founders here when all the shizzle was hitting the fan at YT.

plain and simply, i had crossed corey when i called him out on why the old moderator staff resigned. i broke no rules, so he didn't have a valid reason to ban me. when he saw the PM that i sent to matt, he lumped matt and i in with garrett since we knew about the prank and did noting to inform him of it, therefore we were guilty by association. if he wanted to get to the bottom of the whole thing, he could look at the IP addresses on the new Gangus* accounts and see that matt and i had nothing to do with them. however, he had his "excuse" that he could use with Chris (kctopher) in order to get rid of me and matt since we had ruffled his feathers in the process of exposing the moderator's resignation - which i stumbled onto myself when i saw that Bob was no longer listed as a moderator of a section. i asked him about it, which opened the flood gates of emails from all the former moderators - which in turn brought about this place - and i couldn't be happier!


yep thats what i saw in the staff forums, which is worse reason to ban someone then what I just did. pretty freakin lame, but like you said, it made this happen and in turn better things came about.

[BruceTS]

neliconcept http://images.dance.net/images/240/your_banned.jpg

[neliconcept]

hahahaa, nice!!

[Ric]

I have chaged my AV and signature on TOF, seems to have ruffeled her feathers :roll:
Looks as if Im on the way out over there also.

[neliconcept]

to what?

[AxleIke]

What I like here, is that even though the staff here may hate or strongly dislike a certain individual member, they let them stay on, and post as much as they want, so that we can all see what a dick they really are. YT should do that too, so people can see members true colors. Shame they don't, and delete, though it does cut down on the drama.

[neliconcept]

What I like here, is that even though the staff here may hate or strongly dislike a certain individual member, they let them stay on, and post as much as they want, so that we can all see what a dick they really are. YT should do that too, so people can see members true colors. Shame they don't, and delete, though it does cut down on the drama.


true and i was acting somewhat like a dick, but that was a little fast

[d0ubledown]

HAHAHA @ your reply in that censor sensor thread blake. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: yabba (http://www.yotatech.com/f92/infraction-system-questions-125710/#post50646208) dabba (http://www.yotatech.com/f92/infraction-system-questions-125710/#post50645913)

i cant believe that its still up there. with my attempt at a censor bypass...it got all ##'s out and i got a PM...

cant believe what kind of a chump & moron that guy is...not only is he an internet tough guy, but he's also big brother... :roll: :shake: :roll:


...ya listenin' corey? probably.

[AxleIke]

Blake, You most certainly aren't a dick. You're a good guy, and your post was funny. You did it with blatant disregard for the rules, and right in the rules thread. I enjoyed it. Well played. And I would think the staff likes you just fine.

I don't like the censorship here, but, on the other hand, it isn't staff induced as much, though a little, but also the board does some.

While I wish some hadn't migrated here, I know there are some who wish I hadn't.

At least here, no one is arguing over MT/R's, right?

[Cebby]

I don't like the censorship here, but, on the other hand, it isn't staff induced as much, though a little, but also the board does some.


You know you can turn off the censoring in your account settings, right?

I am glad you are here - I'm waiting for that nice lift thread for IFS you started to be created here. :D

Aside from that, MT/R's are overrated.

[AxleIke]

LOL cebby. Touche, my friend. Thankfully, no one here feels the need to ask lift questions like that, so I won't need to bore the rest of you with it.... :D

Actually, no, i didn't know that. I will look into it. Thank you. It will be nice to be free. See, I bitch, and I get a useful answer. Note to self: bitch more here.. :D

So, it seems we have reached a consensus: Blake=not a dick?

[bamachem]

naaah, blake's not a dick. he's a pussy. :D

[neliconcept]

even better lol

[waskillywabbit]

naaah, blake's not a dick. he's a *******. :D


So are you goatherder. :flipoff:

:guitar:

[Texas Jim]

While I wish some hadn't migrated here, I know there are some who wish I hadn't.




AxleIke; I think your OK!! To He!! with those who don't. Thats what makes this a great forum. It's the Rodney King like, "can't we all just get a long," atmosphere!!


To show you what kind of place Shrek, and his want-a-be's are running I have been baned for ever, and the little freak has sold my e-mail to some spam company......

I think they gave him a can of Spam for it. TJ

[AxleIke]

TJ, anyone who likes guns as much as you do is top notch in my book. :D

Thanks for the kind words!

[Paul H.]

Personnally, I have no problem with foul language at work or when talking with friends who also curse but when you find the need to type the words in a post, then that shows your limited language and upbringing. But thats just me which is why I have never cursed in a post.

[BruceTS]

WTF? ROFLMFAO.............

[Tanto]

I'm obliged to say that I am kind-of disappointed that there is continued animosity between YT and UY. I mean, UY just got up off the ground about the time that I left and the bitterness was fresh, and I completely understand that certain individuals desired to make it known why they left.

Now I'm back on the boards and frankly, I'm a bit surprised. I've talked to some of the moderators on THIS board and I've wheeled with 2 of them and one organized and sent me an awesome care package to my division while i was deployed and you're all great guys that I would wheel with anyday. You guys got your shot to run a forum the way it's supposed to run and you learned it the hard way but I think the time for bashing each other has run its course and it's time to bury it. I mean, TTORA and Yotatech still "rib" on each other from time to time but overall the two clubs still get along and have no problems running a trail together. It would be sad if a deep resentment between Ultimate Yota and Yotatech led to a conflict on the trails.

Personally, I hang out on both sites about the same because there's still people I can help out and that's all I really care about. I like sharing my trips with anyone who browses a thread I created and I don't care what site it's on because I'm not sharing it with a forum, I'm sharing it with my friends and anyone else who wants to see what a good, fun run is about.

[Marc P]

I have kept my nose out of this thread, but Ryan (Tanto) is right. I came on this site because I thought it would be "better", and it may be someday. You guys are not affiliated with Corey now, so you need to drop it. Otherwise you may find your growing community, shrinking...just like YT.

I have yet to find a thread on YT bashing UY.

We would all be rolling on a Trailmaster bracket lift with Smittybuilt nerf bars if we didnt have these forums.

[Ric]

a few of us was talking the other day, and we thought we should post up something about the military movie "A Banned of Brothers"
:rofl:

[Cebby]

Personnally, I have no problem with foul language at work or when talking with friends who also curse but when you find the need to type the words in a post, then that shows your limited language and upbringing. But thats just me which is why I have never cursed in a post.


And so goes the definition of hypocrisy. With the typed word, you have the luxury off a word filter, no such luck with the spoken word. Is the argument that typing requires premeditation? So does choosing spoken words. I don't care how comfortable someone is cursing, they are still selecting words.

I'm not defending it, just pointing out the flaw in your logic.

[fustercluck]

I have spoken my mind relative to inter-forum bickering. I believe my perceptions are accurate. Time will demonstrate that to those who have disagreed and continue. Though I visit and participate in other fora, my allegiance is with this one. The founders and moderators here are of praiseworthy character and I am pleased to be associated with them. I have pledged to do whatever I can to promote goodwill among the members here. I am convinced that the brotherly and edifying atmosphere which will result, will be an attractive and inviting component for those who may just be passing through.

I understand the rancor that an unsatisfied injustice can foment within the heart of a man. Personally, I did not experience that trespass, but I know it smolders here. I have been made aware that some who post here are offended by others whose allegiance is with YT but come here just to be disruptive or to defend the first cause of the schismatic event. I think that offense taken is reasonable and the reflex to defend this forum is noble. I'd like to see that defense be more diplomatic in a gently persuasive manner.

Let history be our guide. 'Tis noble to defend the fortress, but most effective when done through artful diplomacy and amicable council.

[Cebby]

Well said Fuster.

FWIW, this thread was rekindled by a YT mod with some backhanded comments that needed to be addressed.

Ultimately, this thread started as more of a newsflash than anything. The thread was added to by "Four Runner" stating some factual information about the harvesting of his email address via YT. I saw that as a warning to our members and a public service.

My approach to these attacks has been giving history lessons and offering my experienced insight to the new YT mods so they can do their best to salvage the body of knowledge at YT we all had a hand in creating and nurturing. I don't want to see that information get diluted anymore than it already has. Rocket seems to have the right attitude and gumption to make some changes. I applaud his efforts.

To those who have blatantly flamed anyone in this thread, (you've already gotten a PM on this subject) please promptly go through and edit your comments. Just because we don't censor your comments with a heavy hand, does not mean that we don't have rules. We do have rules and ask that you respect them. A disregard for our rules is taking advantage of the community environment we've striven to foster.

I realize as much as anyone that it takes two to tango, however it's not in my dna to take things lying down. I believe strongly in the ideals of the staff of this forum - what makes us different and diverse from each other makes us better. We have not assembled a group of "yes" men, but individuals who challenge each others thinking. And I do firmly believe we already ARE better than any other forum choice out there. The tech is accurate and easily searchable. No fluff or misinformation in our tech threads.

FWIW, I apologize, if I've danced the line - but I can't make any guarantees that it will end with this thread - attacks will be answered - artfully and amicably. :D

[Tanto]

I browse YT enough to see that there is little, if any, attack for us to be "defending" ourselves from.

As I said in my original post, I believe the founders of this site are persons of upstanding moral character, yet we are still human and are still susceptible to a false sense of superiority if given the right circumstances.

I think the fact that I don't really post over there anymore and cancelled any further donations speaks well enough of my thoughts of that site. However, I won't forget that it WAS the site that I met ALL of my wheeling buddies when I first started out.

[Paul H.]

Personally, I have no problem with foul language at work or when talking with friends who also curse but when you find the need to type the words in a post, then that shows your limited language and upbringing. But thats just me which is why I have never cursed in a post.


And so goes the definition of hypocrisy. With the typed word, you have the luxury off a word filter, no such luck with the spoken word. Is the argument that typing requires premeditation? So does choosing spoken words. I don't care how comfortable someone is cursing, they are still selecting words.

I'm not defending it, just pointing out the flaw in your logic.


You missed my reasoning. I don't curse when I am around those that may find it wrong or be offended by it. It is called self control. I usually curse only when I hurt myself or get really pissed off. By the way, isn't foul language, whether filtered or unfiltered, against the rules here?
And as for the slamming of YT overhere. Some of you that have been banned over there really deserved it because you blatantly violated rules. I sure hope that if you did the same here, you would also be banned. Lets all grow up be civilized, OK.

[rocket]

FWIW, this thread was rekindled by a YT mod with some backhanded comments that needed to be addressed.


I'm sorry for coming back to this thread but the above statement is wrong. So i will defend my stance.

For one, i never revived this thread (a whole 3-4 threads below the top) and for two, my "backhanded" comments NEVER made personal attacks or insults toward anyone, yet thats what others resorted to.

I clearly said stop the senseless BS hate and bashing of a Toyota community that exists for the same reason UY does. If thats what you thrive on then keep it going. Just realize many out there are consistently seeing the level of hypocritical twisting and changing of direction thats pointed directly toward the VERY same people and members that you once stood for.
Allowing the bashing of another forum is about the lowest and uncontrollable sign of weakness possible.

This entire thread does absolutely nothing except create detrimental boundaries between Toyota enthusiasts. Wheres the sense in that?! I've yet to see any bandwagon follower have an factual reason to belittle Yotatech -people that own a TOYOTA with a likewise interest.

Look real closely at whats being said by the increasing number of the hand me down spoon fed cry babies that are only here to create and continue the drama. Might be a good time to put a stop to it. Some are "in it" for fame, yet look more like tools.

...i forgot say Thank You to the two staff members that sent me an email rather than jumping on the train here. I really respect that to the utmost.

[Cebby]

FWIW, this thread was rekindled by a YT mod with some backhanded comments that needed to be addressed.


I'm sorry for coming back to this thread but the above statement is wrong. So i will defend my stance.

For one, i never revived this thread (a whole 3-4 threads below the top) and for two, my "backhanded" comments NEVER made personal attacks or insults toward anyone, yet thats what others resorted to.

Go ahead and defend your stance - I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to Molly's post. Thanks for being so quick to jump in though.



I clearly said stop the senseless BS hate and bashing of a Toyota community that exists for the same reason UY does. If thats what you thrive on then keep it going. Just realize many out there are consistently seeing the level of hypocritical twisting and changing of direction thats pointed directly toward the VERY same people and members that you once stood for.

Nothing hypocritical about our position, nor are we changing direction. We've stayed the course. I don't have a problem with the YT membership, just wish some would open their eyes.



Allowing the bashing of another forum is about the lowest and uncontrollable sign of weakness possible.

These are the kind of backhanded comments directed at our staff that we've been talking about. Normally they are on YT, but now it's here. We've addressed the blatant bashing and the blatant flaming here. Our members are testing their boundaries with their new found freedom of speech not available elsewhere. A few stepped over the line and were corrected. The funny thing is that in the above statement, you are both criticizing us and hypocritically performing the same act.



This entire thread does absolutely nothing except create detrimental boundaries between Toyota enthusiasts. Wheres the sense in that?! I've yet to see any bandwagon follower have an factual reason to belittle Yotatech -people that own a TOYOTA with a likewise interest.

Look real closely at whats being said by the increasing number of the hand me down spoon fed cry babies that are only here to create and continue the drama. Might be a good time to put a stop to it. Some are "in it" for fame, yet look more like tools.

This part of your post might be the biggest piece of hogwash I've come across (as you continue to take your backhanded jabs at our membership - to quote you "hand me down spoon fed cry babies" - real nice - more hypocrisy). You are taking this thread and yourself way too seriously if you think that there are "detrimental boundaries" being created by letting members speak their mind (especially those with valid beefs).

[bamachem]

FWIW, this thread was rekindled by a YT mod with some backhanded comments that needed to be addressed.


I'm sorry for coming back to this thread but the above statement is wrong. So i will defend my stance.

For one, i never revived this thread (a whole 3-4 threads below the top) and for two, my "backhanded" comments NEVER made personal attacks or insults toward anyone, yet thats what others resorted to.

I clearly said stop the senseless BS hate and bashing of a Toyota community that exists for the same reason UY does. If thats what you thrive on then keep it going. Just realize many out there are consistently seeing the level of hypocritical twisting and changing of direction thats pointed directly toward the VERY same people and members that you once stood for.
Allowing the bashing of another forum is about the lowest and uncontrollable sign of weakness possible.

This entire thread does absolutely nothing except create detrimental boundaries between Toyota enthusiasts. Wheres the sense in that?! I've yet to see any bandwagon follower have an factual reason to belittle Yotatech -people that own a TOYOTA with a likewise interest.

Look real closely at whats being said by the increasing number of the hand me down spoon fed cry babies that are only here to create and continue the drama. Might be a good time to put a stop to it. Some are "in it" for fame, yet look more like tools.

...i forgot say Thank You to the two staff members that sent me an email rather than jumping on the train here. I really respect that to the utmost.


If you want to remain on good terms here and continue to be allowed to participate, then I would strongly suggest that you control your name-calling and just let this thread die.

If you would simply leave it alone, it will eventually slide to the back burner and we can all get on with our lives. Every time you come here, you don't defend yourself as much as you belittle others.

Take a large helping of your own advise and STFU about this and other heated topics and stick to posting fruitful comments. If you want to truly see this put to bed, then how about offering ANYTHING other than strife or pot stirring when you come here. You're now a moderator at TOF, so you're "one of them" whether you like it or not. You are representing that entire community, and quite frankly, you are also representative of the very reasons that so many of us are glad that we left.

In short, and this friendly advise also goes for some of you who have been flaming others and getting into the name-calling game - THIS IS GETTING OLD. Please stop the nonsense. You're welcome to vent, but PLEASE do so in a mature and decent manner, one in which this community would not be ashamed of. We will not close threads, delete threads, and we will not censor our membership, but some of you need to just vent your frustrations and move on. There are much BETTER things in life than calling people names and worring about internet tough-guy smack talk. There's this thing called Karma, she's a BlTCH, and she'll have her say in the end...

:D

[Texas Jim]

This has turned into a topic of one's Honor & IntegrityI want it known, if I am asked a question, I do the best to answer it honestly. I still believe in "To tell The Truth, The Whole Truth and, Nothing But The Truth, So Help You God?" My answer to that question has always been a resounding, "I DO!"

Even if it has cost me in the long run, I know that the truth is the only way a person can be honest with themselves!!

There is the subject of Honor has been brought up also, I know that today that word doesn't seem to mean much to many people. I have been a Bail Bonding agent for 5 years. In that time I have bonded out around 750 people. What that means is that I Promise the Court system that these people will appear in court like they are suppose to. If they do not appear. I have 60 days to go and find them and bring them into jail, or pay the court system the full amount of the bond. I have only paid that one time for $325 on a student who had been arrested for trespassing. I knew when I Bonded him out, he would never return. He was a student in Colorado, and I knew he would never be back. I told his Father in NJ that, when I spoke with him. His Father begged me to get his son out, and he would pay the forfeiture fee up front. I Honored the man's wishes and got him out of jail and put his son back on the bus to Boulder!! I didn't have to do that. I did that because his Father asked me to make sure his son got on a bus to Bolder. I spent the whole night with his kid who was Bipolar, and not taking his meds.

You see people all of the time swearing to be truthful, they are not. They do not have any Honor! That seems to be the real reason of this thread!! Who's telling the truth and who is not!!

I know that I was banned from the other site because of something I had been doing for a long time. Does that annoy me? Of course it does! Do I want to make sure that those accusing me of being completely wrong about what I was doing, pay for their dishonesty!!! I certainally do!!!
Will I be able to make those responsible for saying I am dishonerable, and lying, pay for their blat-en attack on me just because they could!! That I do not know.

As far as creating detrimental boundaries, between Toyota enthusiasts, I really doubt that has happened! There are people who are responsible for their own actions! It's not the whole community of Yota-tech!! Those individuals are who they are!! They know who they are, and it's on their head!! Not the other members of Yota-tech!!

You live your life as a good and decent person, and I can promise you that people will and do take advantage of that! Should that ruein a whole situation for other's? Of course not!! Time and space will make sure the world is round.

Someone, took it apron themselves to delete a post that I had posted here. I don't know when it happened, but needless to say they decided to do it with out contacting me. I had been asked by Cebby to review it, and then decide what to do. I responded to Cebby that I would, and I had been receiving porn spam. (no I hadn't been on any of those sites!) I was getting tired of it. That's all.

That is all I have to say about this whole situation, I really am tired of it, but I am not going to lie down and be ran over by crap. I would not expect any of you to do that nor should you expect me to!! TJ

[neliconcept]

FWIW, this thread was rekindled by a YT mod with some backhanded comments that needed to be addressed.


I'm sorry for coming back to this thread but the above statement is wrong. So i will defend my stance.

For one, i never revived this thread (a whole 3-4 threads below the top) and for two, my "backhanded" comments NEVER made personal attacks or insults toward anyone, yet thats what others resorted to.

I clearly said stop the senseless BS hate and bashing of a Toyota community that exists for the same reason UY does. If thats what you thrive on then keep it going. Just realize many out there are consistently seeing the level of hypocritical twisting and changing of direction thats pointed directly toward the VERY same people and members that you once stood for.
Allowing the bashing of another forum is about the lowest and uncontrollable sign of weakness possible.

This entire thread does absolutely nothing except create detrimental boundaries between Toyota enthusiasts. Wheres the sense in that?! I've yet to see any bandwagon follower have an factual reason to belittle Yotatech -people that own a TOYOTA with a likewise interest.

Look real closely at whats being said by the increasing number of the hand me down spoon fed cry babies that are only here to create and continue the drama. Might be a good time to put a stop to it. Some are "in it" for fame, yet look more like tools.

...i forgot say Thank You to the two staff members that sent me an email rather than jumping on the train here. I really respect that to the utmost.













here is the thing, I have bumped more threads above this to create this issue and let it go to way. IF YOU WERE SMART YOU WOULD DO THE SAME. Here is my reasoning, You are a moderator now, you represent a community, your actions represent that community, forget about the actions over here and go on your mary way and you may come ahead and look more profound and repsected, that respect you have lost from me now because of bringing this thread back up to the top like i was trying to get pushed down once again.

I dont have anything to ad about my banning over there and im not going to defend myself there, why? I dont give a flying ####! My reign has ended there and im done

now this is my absolute last post here, even if yall bicker back and forth again, im done, because i wanna see it pushed down and the issue delt with.

oh and btw good luck and i really do mean it. i dont hate others, you have a job to do and i think you will do a good job at it. but coming over here doesnt help that situation at all. just remember that.

[Ric]

if I am asked a question, I do the best to answer it honestly. Im with ya, to bad we cant do that on TOF, you`ll get your hand slapped..

[Cebby]

Someone, took it apron themselves to delete a post that I had posted here. I don't know when it happened, but needless to say they decided to do it with out contacting me. I had been asked by Cebby to review it, and then decide what to do. I responded to Cebby that I would, ...


Sorry about that TJ - I did contact you shortly after you posted - this is our first course of action, to ALWAYS contact the poster first to let them review it and make any necessary edits based on an objection we might have - as I reiterated to you via another PM, it took too long for you to get back to us, so we had to take action. I'm sure you understand and trust our judgment on the matter. This was likely an anomaly with timing of the post and the PM working against us.