HAVE YOU HUGGED AN ISLAMO-FACIST TODAY?

[oly884]

HAVE YOU HUGGED AN ISLAMO-FACIST TODAY?
Wed Oct 24, 7:56 PM ET

College liberals are in a fit of pique because various speakers are coming to their campuses this week as part of David Horowitz's Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week -- not to be confused with Islamo-Fascism Appreciation Week, which I believe is in April.
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Apparently liberals support Islamo-fascism.

The Democratic leadership might want to have a powwow with their base because I believe their public position is to pretend to oppose Islamic fascism.

Elected Democrats at least make empty rhetorical gestures about opposing Islamic fascism. Of course, amidst their nonspecific condemnations of Islamic terrorism, they make very specific demands that we genuflect before Islam and perform exotic fetishes on the fascists.

Liberals believe in burning the American flag, urinating on crucifixes, and passing out birth control pills to 11-year-olds without telling their parents -- but God forbid an infidel touch a Quran at Guantanamo.

College campuses across the nation are installing foot baths to accommodate Muslims' daily bathing ritual, while surgically removing the Ten Commandments from every public space in America. Maybe the Ten Commandments could be printed on towels and kept next to the foot baths.

The National Council for Social Studies recommended a lesson plan after 9/11 that included a story titled "My Name Is Osama" about a nasty little white boy, "Todd," who taunts a fine upstanding Iraqi immigrant named "Osama." Go ahead, laugh it up -- we'll see who's laughing when "My Name Is Osama" ends up on ABC's prime-time lineup next year.

This story was proposed in response to an event in which Muslims with names like "Osama" committed the most massive hate crime in U.S. history against 3,000 innocent civilians with names like "Todd."

Still and all, Democrats who seek the votes of their fellow Americans continue to claim in a vague, meaningless way to oppose Islamo-fascism.

And then when speakers like Cyrus Nowrasteh, the writer and producer of the ABC miniseries "The Path to 9/11," and Nonie Darwish, whose father founded the Fedayeen, show up on college campuses to criticize Islamic terrorism, the Democratic base threatens to riot. The only thing that makes the cut-and-run crowd mad enough to fight is the idea that someone, somewhere might be criticizing radical Islam.

Consequently, the speakers for Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week require the sort of security phalanx one would expect for someone more like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Oh wait -- no. Ahmadinejad was cheered by college students a few weeks ago -- at least until he expressed reservations about sodomy. (On the basis of Ahmadinejad's claims, instead of looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, how about we start looking for gays in Iran?)

Even American intellectuals like Dennis Prager and Michael Medved who are speaking during Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week are denounced by liberals as if they were David Duke. One pro-Islamo-fascism Web site indicts Medved on the grounds that he "has claimed that Islam has a 'special violence problem.'" It doesn't get much more diplomatic than that.

Conservative speakers are constantly being physically attacked on college campuses -- including Bill Kristol, Pat Buchanan, David Horowitz and me, among others. Fortunately the attackers are Democrats, so they throw like girls and generally end up with their noses bloodied by pretty college coeds. But that doesn't make it right.

Michael Moore can waddle anywhere he wants in America without fear of violence from Republicans. But we still have to hear about every testy e-mail Paul Krugman ever receives as if liberals are living in the black night of fascism. Any time Krugman wants to get into a "Most Vicious Hate Mail" contest, just say the word. You don't hear me sniffling.

Congressional Democrats are constantly calling for conservative private citizens to be silenced. Even Democratic candidates for president and their wives are getting in on the act.

A few weeks ago, in the midst of Senate Democrats' demand that Rush Limbaugh's microphone be silenced, Lizzie Edwards distracted herself from the latest National Enquirer by announcing on Air America that Limbaugh's draft deferment was phony.

I was pretty shocked. Who knew Air America was still on the air?

I know every time Democrats call for me to be silenced, I feel a delicious surge of martyrdom. For a brief moment, I understand the thrill the left gets by going around claiming to be victimized all the time.

I could almost imagine a poem:

First they came for Rush Limbaugh, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't Rush Limbaugh;

And then they came for Ann Coulter, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't Ann Coulter;

And then they came for David Horowitz, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't David Horowitz;

And then ... they came for me ... And by that time there was no one left to speak up.

Liberals claim to be terrified that the Religious Right is going to take over the culture in a country where more than a million babies are exterminated every year, kindergarteners can be expelled from school for mentioning God, and Islamic fascists are welcomed on college campuses while speakers opposed to Islamic fascism are met with angry protests.

If liberals want to face real fascism, try showing up on a college campus and denouncing fascism.

link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20071024/cm_ucac/haveyouhuggedanislamofacisttoday

Discuss, comment, or hate me -> :flipoff: this is me caring :clap:

[Texas Jim]

Wow David, what part of the media machine exhaust pipe are you sucking on?

[Henrythewound]

That was total trash. That's the kind of crap I would read if I felt I needed to be incredibly frustrated at how dense some people are (and now I am)

[04 Rocko Taco]

Im pretty sure I agree with you here Oly. so that makes two of us "religous right wingers" I suppose.

[calrockx]

too long, sum it up in a sentence.

[04 Rocko Taco]

Democrats hate God, love killing babies, and blowing up americans.
But feel justfied, and victimized by "righties".

Its your vote.


Okay more than one.....but still short. lol

[calrockx]

eh.
still pretty much a democrat.

[Bob98SR5]

was this an ann coulter article?

one sentence summary: leftist college liberals are more apt to hypocritically christianity, our military, our country, etc, but allow muslim radical-types a save haven for hate speech against non-muslim religions, the destruction of our country and our allies, etc without fear of institutional ("the university will not allow hate groups like the heritage foundation on our campus") or physical reprisal (i.e. physical attacks against conservative speakers or US military recruiting booths).

henrythewound: what's so dense about it? articulate it for us. if you've been to or are in college, is this not the case where you are or attended? I have a bunch of UCLA students in my church that say the Muslim Students Association actively preaches 'death to israel' and to the 'crusaders' (Christians). This, of course, is allowed. now if the College Republicans would chant "death to Arabs and Muslims!", you very well know they'd be institutionally run off campus (as the Student Body Association at UCLA unsuccesfully tried last year).

Democrats, republicans, etc, whatever. Party has nothing to do with it. the thing that i worry about most is that we as a country are so fixated on being PC, that we dont realize we are sowing the seeds of acceptance to our own demise at the hands of what i call "American haters". and they are not just muslim terrorist types. they are us and our own so-called allies. if as a country, we accept that we should accept the jihadist reasons for killing our own troops because "we deserved it" (i.e. Ward Churchill), we are fair game wherever we work and travel. And its only going to dawn on college liberals like these when one of their own loved ones gets their heads cut off or blown up somewhere backpacking in Europe.

[oly884]

That was total trash. That's the kind of crap I would read if I felt I needed to be incredibly frustrated at how dense some people are (and now I am)


... <- this is me caring

Ahh, how dense people are... that's right, i forgot how high and mighty you are. Sorry, I guess I'm just some dumb hick from a red state, hur hur, you gotta purtty mouth... :roll:

But really though, what you have to see is that I view some of these "college libs" as being just as dense as you may think I am. So, are we both dense? Probably, but it's ok so long as we can compromise to some level. What I see is more and more bold tactics and stances on both sides that just puts more nails in the coffin for us.

I post this article because she brings up valid points (whether people want to realize it or just plug their ears and go, "lalalalala"). Do you have any idea how many time's i've been ridiculed when I was in school? It's freaking BS! How can we have one point of view so completely tolerated, that even bringing up an opposing view gets not just a cold shoulder, but harassment, vandalism, and hate?

[fustercluck]

I wonder why anyone is a democrat these days....

*blows smoke off end of muzzles*

[Henrythewound]

You asked for a comment. I wasn't specifically calling you dense, but whoever wrote/believes the tripe in that article is a moron. It was written to ruffle feathers, not bring up valid points. I have some so called conservative as well as liberal views, none of which are represented in that article.

[Seanz0rz]

and people wonder why i dont post in these threads...

no comment. :tapedshut: :horse:

[oly884]

and people wonder why i dont post in these threads...

no comment. :tapedshut: :horse:


I believe that qualifies as a comment

[Texas Jim]

I am neither a democrat or a republican, I am a white mid aged man, who doesn't like his rights dismantled by anyone!!!! What ever reason they want to call it!! TJ

[Seanz0rz]

I am neither a democrat or a republican, I am a white mid aged man, who doesn't like his rights dismantled by anyone!!!! What ever reason they want to call it!! TJ


im with you on that, and thats all that matters.

[oly884]

Should it be OK to allow Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak at a university?

If so, should it be OK to allow some one who opposes islamo-fascism to speak at a university?

With that, what can be said about this? http://www.zombietime.com/darwish_berkeley/

Sounds reasonable, eh? Really makes me proud to have graduated from the university program :roll:

Where do I stand?

Well....

When a person calls for the destruction of the United States, sorry, I don't have too much of an interest in what he has to say. I'll just grab my gun and knife. If he comes back and says sorry, let's talk, I'll come to the talk, ready for anything. But to think that a person who calls for the death of other nations, sorry, but to sit and think that he's a reasonable guy is pushing the idea of reality.

And to the link I posted. I'm not surprised one bit by the reaction. Those who preach tolerance seem to be the least tolerant of opposing ideas. I'm not saying that I'm always tolerant of others ideas, at least I can admit it. Watch that videos, and tell me these things are OK.

Sorry, pep's we're not in the USSR, we are in the USA. Democracy, not communism, not socialism.

It makes me wonder though, what our universities are teaching us. We are given the right of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, nothing else. We are not given the right to free health care, welfare, or housing. I am willing to help my fellow man when he's down in the dumps to get him back up on his feet. But I will not keep him on his feet, he has to do that on his own.

Sorry guys if you disagree, but I didn't bust my ass off for 4 years getting my degree, nor do I bust my ass off working all week to support those that do not want to work for them selves.

I'll be honest, I see a very large amount of "socialist" ideals coming up. If you agree with those ideals, that's fine, just don't bother bringing up politics with me. And if you want to change the US to your views, well then, I'll standing in your way to preserve my liberties given to me in the Constitution of the United States of America.

[calrockx]

When a person calls for the destruction of the United States, sorry, I don't have too much of an interest in what he has to say. I'll just grab my gun and knife.


because violence IS the answer.




I think anyone should be allowed to speak at a university. Let the students decide if they want to attend. It'll raise conversations on both sides.

[oly884]

Should hitler have been allowed to speak at one of our universities? No comparisons going on here, just a question.

And to your "because violence IS the answer." Is violence never the answer?

Please discuss the other means of solving an issue as I stated. I take people for their word, not saying you don't.

For example, if I am confronted by someone who verbally states that they intend to hurt or kill me, I find it absurd to need to wait for action to return action.

[calrockx]

Yes, Hitler should have been allowed to speak at a university.
Of course, I don't agree with his views. Nor would any reasonable person. But in that case I don't see it as the University giving him a soapbox to preach his sh*t, I see it as him making himself look like the crazy he was - and that would help unite others against him and help put an end to his actions.

[oly884]

Yes, Hitler should have been allowed to speak at a university.
Of course, I don't agree with his views. Nor would any reasonable person. But in that case I don't see it as the University giving him a soapbox to preach his sh*t, I see it as him making himself look like the crazy he was - and that would help unite others against him and help put an end to his actions.

I can, for the most part, agree with that statement.

What can be said about the reaction that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad got?

[Bob98SR5]

Yes, Hitler should have been allowed to speak at a university.
Of course, I don't agree with his views. Nor would any reasonable person. But in that case I don't see it as the University giving him a soapbox to preach his sh*t, I see it as him making himself look like the crazy he was - and that would help unite others against him and help put an end to his actions.


at first, i was pretty perturbed that mr. holocaust denier was given a public forum to speak, especially in light of the strong liberal biased and hatred for anything remotely conservative at columbia. that said, i was glad the presidnet of the university gave little iranian hitler a roasting of epic proportions before his POS got up on the stage. that pretty much set the tone and from then on out, he was in full defensive mode. it was so bad that iranians were incensed at his treatment, but i think the exposure and the roasting showed them that america and americans are not going to throw the softball questions like larry king and believe all he says, even if its a liberal institution like columbia

[oly884]

Bob, while I agree that the roast that he got was very much needed, what I find interesting is how he WAS allowed to speak, where as David Horowitz at Emory University.

Video: http://www.incorrectu.com/2007/10/25/more-emory-more-thuggery-more-leftist-assault-on-free-speech/

If free speech and the first amendment is touted so much by those that think it's fine to have people like Ahmadinejad speak, then I would like to know their reaction to the link I posted.

I believe in the first amendment, and free speech, so I'm not trying to say that people shouldn't be allowed to speak. I'm just pointing out potential hypocrisies. Maybe it had more to do with the audience at each of the speaker's events, however, I'm curious what those "protester's" thoughts are on Ahmadinejad speaking at Colombia.

[blknblu]

at first, i was pretty perturbed that mr. holocaust denier was given a public forum to speak, especially in light of the strong liberal biased and hatred for anything remotely conservative at columbia. that said, i was glad the presidnet of the university gave little iranian hitler a roasting of epic proportions before his POS got up on the stage. that pretty much set the tone and from then on out, he was in full defensive mode. it was so bad that iranians were incensed at his treatment, but i think the exposure and the roasting showed them that america and americans are not going to throw the softball questions like larry king and believe all he says, even if its a liberal institution like columbia


I actually disagree. I thought the comments by the university president were in poor taste and reflected badly on the University in particular and the U.S. as a whole. Imagine being invited to someones home and then being introduced to everyone as a piece of crap. Even if he is a piece of crap, let him demonstrate it himself. I would like to think that we can set a higher standard in this country, although in light of some of the stuff Oly is linking, that may be in question. I would add though that I did not see the event or have a full understanding of how it was scheduled to proceed. If the opening comments were to be the university presidents only opportunity to speak, then I might give his comments a little more latitude.

[Bob98SR5]

Bob, while I agree that the roast that he got was very much needed, what I find interesting is how he WAS allowed to speak, where as David Horowitz at Emory University.

Video: http://www.incorrectu.com/2007/10/25/more-emory-more-thuggery-more-leftist-assault-on-free-speech/

If free speech and the first amendment is touted so much by those that think it's fine to have people like Ahmadinejad speak, then I would like to know their reaction to the link I posted.

I believe in the first amendment, and free speech, so I'm not trying to say that people shouldn't be allowed to speak. I'm just pointing out potential hypocrisies. Maybe it had more to do with the audience at each of the speaker's events, however, I'm curious what those "protester's" thoughts are on Ahmadinejad speaking at Colombia.


you should know me by now: of course i think most US college campuses are hypocritical about what/who can speak freely vs who/what cannot be said or allowed to speak

blknblu: i cannot tell if you saw the introductory roast, but if not, you might change your opinion about it being in poor taste. here it is. around 1:51, he gets what he deserves...in a scholarly way, of course:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oVDqOWOyRdU

in my opinion, he was introduced properly...his own words and twisted beliefs were made public to the forum and by default, there was no way he could not avoid them as he did in a recent 60 minutes interview (links below):

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Ahmadinejad+60+minutes&search=Search

in it, he is confronted about iranian weapons being used to kill americans. he deflects over and over by saying "you are talking like a cia or fbi agent" :rolleyes: and repeatedly smiles and laughs to deflect attention from the blood on his hands. sickening. i just want to beat that guy with a golf club.

[blknblu]

Well thanks for that. The clip I heard was really only the minute or so of harsh words that taken out of context of the prceding 6-7 minutes of speech, sounded rude. In context of the entire speech, it seems more appropriate.

[Bob98SR5]

blknblu,

thats why i love the internets :) i agree, it sounded way above and beyond what we would expect a president of an ivy league school would say. when i first saw the clip, it was the part where the pres was condemning him for being a "petty dictator." my first reaction was "damn, man has some balls!" so i had to watch the rest.

[Henrythewound]

Everyone has the right to speak their mind. In turn, each audience member has the option of agreeing/disagreeing with them. I respect the right of the author of that article/ speaker at a university to think what they want, I have the right to think they are complete morons for their views.

I'll say that the liberal view tends to get bashed as "weak-minded/pansy-ish" on these kinds of boards b/c of the majority of conservative-minded individuals interested in off-roading etc. Yes I'm stereotyping to a degree but it seems to hold true in many of the threads I have seen here and elsewhere. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's just important to remember we should at least attempt to respect everyone's views even though they may differ substantially.

[oly884]

Everyone has the right to speak their mind. In turn, each audience member has the option of agreeing/disagreeing with them. I respect the right of the author of that article/ speaker at a university to think what they want, I have the right to think they are complete morons for their views.

I'll say that the liberal view tends to get bashed as "weak-minded/pansy-ish" on these kinds of boards b/c of the majority of conservative-minded individuals interested in off-roading etc. Yes I'm stereotyping to a degree but it seems to hold true in many of the threads I have seen here and elsewhere. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's just important to remember we should at least attempt to respect everyone's views even though they may differ substantially.


Very true, at the end of the day we should be able to go down to the bar and grab a beer together.

My point wasn't about saying these people don't have a right to their own opinion, it was directed at their reaction to an opposing opinion of their own.

I will sit down at the table and discuss politics, AND respect differing opinions, so long as I receive the same treatment. I will not show respect for those that fail to do so for me.

Henry, I will say that stereotypes have to come from somewhere, meaning that at some level the stereotype is true whether it be for an entire group, or a small minority.

Yes liberals are viewed that way, just as conservatives tend to be viewed as "war mongers, etc."

The crazies of each side tend to give off those impressions, it's us "normal" folk that tend to not be heard.

[fustercluck]

The point of sharia law is to impose one's moral will on the unwilling where innocent life doesn't hang in the balance.

[ecchamberlin]

Guys I have been lurking around this thread from the beginning and find it to be stimulating to say the least. Many interesting points of view.

I do however find it odd that a man who would probably not allow you to go into a Irainian University and speak out about capitalism, free democracy, women's rights, the human rights violations of his country.... comes here and has a forum in our country and does that very same concept.

This man is by no means the only person to come here and take full advantage or our civil liberties without contributing to the very same system that provides them. Illegal imigrants do it every single day. Do these truly apply to non citizens?

I know this is not directly linked to the topic of the thread but so many people are living here who are not proud to be American living in America but they have no problem at all raping our system of it's benefits.

I think even with our faults and problems we are the most forgiving, tolerant, generous and open society that I have seen in my travels which do include a very good portion of the middle east although not Iran.