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MTL_4runner
03-28-2007, 07:52 AM
Here's a list of methods complied to help make this process easier.

Loosening Rusted Tight Bolts and Studs

1) Penetrating and Dismantling Oils. Forget about WD-40 and Liquid Wrench (obviously use them as a last resort). The only stuff to buy in the US and Canada is PBBlaster, available at IPD, Walmart and other mass marketers. Kroil is another good brand if you can find it. In the UK, try E.A.C.'s PlusGas Formula A, available from tool and engineers' supply shops.

2) Slight Retightening. Try tightening the offending item, just a little bit, then try loosening it. Since learning that one, it has come in handy mucho times.

3) Bolt Extractor Kit The use of a nut or bolt extractor can dramatically improve your chances of getting off a rusted fastener by giving you a good bite and as you turn it actually works to pull the extractor toward the part. This is far better than a socket when the rust has begun to deform the outside of the nut or bolt head.

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4) Using Heat. Heat the area around the bolt with a propane torch, and touch a candle or beeswax to the threads. The wax will be sucked into the opening around the threads, and the bolt can be removed easily. The heating and candle application may have to be repeated a couple times. This works on the same principle as sweat-soldering copper pipes, and will work where penetrating oil will not. (Always use care when and where you apply heat). In the absence of beeswax, I used Chapstick and it worked as well.

The often a thread-locked part (like a carburetor or throttle body) will risk snapping off a small screw. Usually heat is used to soften up and remove locked fasteners. Then you can use a solvent on the bolt threads to clean the remains. The breakdown temp is usually 400-500 F so try a soldering iron on the screw, or a small pencil torch to direct the heat right where you need it.

5) Using Cold. Gently heat the area around the female side with a heat gun and then spray the male side with a can of electronics freeze (used to locate intermittent breaks on circuit boards). This may shrink the male bolt enough to break the bond and then allow you to first tighten (as above), then loosen. Spray with PBlaster to ensure that it penetrates into the joint.

6) Cutting Off the Offending Nut. When removing rusted or otherwise stuck nuts or bolts, penetrating oil and impact tools can work, but sometimes just make the job more difficult (as when breaking off a fastener below a point where it can easily be accessed). One of the handiest tools is a Dremel type tool (high speed, power rotary tool) . Using the small cut off wheels (approx. 1" in diameter) spinning at high speed (up to 30,000 rpm depending on the tool) these thin, brittle wheels can cut through even the hardest steel. Work from opposite sides of the nut and use a flat screwdriver to pry the halves apart once you have reached sufficient depth. I have also used this method to remove CV axle nuts without damaging the threads. Be aware that a full-face protection shield is recommended and that spectators remove themselves from the area. When these little wheels break they can travel some distance. The wheels are often available in little containers of 25 and although they will break quite often until you get the feel for them they are relatively inexpensive.

PirateFins
04-02-2007, 12:56 PM
Jamie,
Add this to your #6 as an option as well

This small and compact tool will split nuts from 5/16 to 7/8 in. across flats. A hardened steel cutter, this is a hand tool only. Not to be used with power tools.


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or

http://s7.sears.com/is/image/Sears/00999908000?rgn=0,0,862,862&scl=3.448&fmt=jpeg

Seanz0rz
04-02-2007, 01:40 PM
these are great tips!!!

also, just as a mention, a 3/4 inch black iron pipe on the end of a breaker bar will greatly increase the force you are able to apply to the nut or bolt. many times this can lead to a broken bolt head or shaft, so only use where you are replacing the offending part, and can remove the rest of the bolt if it breaks off. IE through blots like the ones for the lower part of a shock.

MTL_4runner
04-02-2007, 03:36 PM
Good stuff guys, keep the tips coming!

Tofer
04-02-2007, 03:42 PM
dont live in an area that gets rust :D

MTL_4runner
04-02-2007, 04:37 PM
dont live in an area that gets rust :D


:flipoff:

J/K

Sure, rub it in on all us poor rustbelt saps. :laugh:
Man I miss what it was like to work on stuff back in AZ!

DirToyBoy
04-06-2007, 01:58 PM
breaker bar and PB gets 99 percent of my bolts.....sawzall for the other one percent :clap:

Seanz0rz
04-06-2007, 02:25 PM
i just bought a nut cracker for my bolts on my cat for my honda. ill let you know how well it works tomorrow or next weekend when i actually get to do it.

surf4runner
04-13-2007, 01:09 PM
easy out and a drill... :yikes: for after the head has snapped off


my question: :headscratch: how do you remove a broken carbide easy out?

gpcollen
04-25-2007, 10:45 AM
easy out and a drill... :yikes: for after the head has snapped off

Ill second that!! Carbide drill bits and easy out set.

my question: :headscratch: how do you remove a broken carbide easy out?


Been there and it was a total clusterfook. Ended up using multiple tiny carbide bits (broke a few) to drill out tiny bits around it. Talk about patience.


Add to #1 - Tapping the offending part in between squirts of PB

Cebby
04-25-2007, 10:50 AM
I thought I heard of people using Coca Cola...does this work too?

Seanz0rz
04-25-2007, 11:27 AM
maybe diet coke, seems like it would make alot more of a mess and wouldnt help much.

as an update to the nutcracker. it will not crack nuts (at least not easily) that have the flange at the base. also, tight places like around an exhaust pipe, are hard to get at, especially when you are working upside down.

however, works great on normal nuts! and its heavy enough that if you put it in a long sock, it really would be a NUT CRACKER!

MTL_4runner
04-25-2007, 11:55 AM
I thought I heard of people using Coca Cola...does this work too?


Coke works well as a rust remover (phosphoric acid), but not much else.
They did the entire gambit of tests on Mythbusters a while back.

Only thing I've ever seen take out a carbide easy-out was a carbide masonry bit (usually a few of them are needed).
Usually leaves the hole a mess (needs a helicoil after), I just stay away from using those completely.

surf4runner
04-25-2007, 12:06 PM
Only thing I've ever seen take out a carbide easy-out was a carbide masonry bit (usually a few of them are needed).
Usually leaves the hole a mess (needs a helicoil after), I just stay away from using those completely.


i ended up welding the bolt (now a stud ;) ) to it. much less work :D

MTL_4runner
04-25-2007, 12:11 PM
i ended up welding the bolt (now a stud ;) ) to it. much less work :D


Well if you have a plasma cutter, you can blast it out of the hole too. :laugh:
I was thinking more for the average homeowner, but your right.

surf4runner
04-25-2007, 12:21 PM
mmmmm...plasma :drool: i wish!
i had to take it to a :screwy: friend w/ a welder. my garage doesnt have the space.

20005spd
05-03-2007, 03:40 AM
i just bought new 02 sensor nuts & gaskets. the nuts for my 02s are 80% gone due to rust. i figured id get this issue fixed before my 02s pop out 200miles away from home on a trail or something lol. you guys posted good ways to remove those nuts but, in my situation none of that will work. im going to heat up the nuts lightly with a torch, then use a chisel to break away at the nut being careful of the stud threads.

i work at a dealer in ri. so everything i do is covered in rust and i use most of the methods posted every day. some day ill come to my senses and move the hell out of the rust belt :thumbup:

MTL_4runner
05-03-2007, 06:29 AM
i just bought new 02 sensor nuts & gaskets. the nuts for my 02s are 80% gone due to rust. i figured id get this issue fixed before my 02s pop out 200miles away from home on a trail or something lol. you guys posted good ways to remove those nuts but, in my situation none of that will work. im going to heat up the nuts lightly with a torch, then use a chisel to break away at the nut being careful of the stud threads.

i work at a dealer in ri. so everything i do is covered in rust and i use most of the methods posted every day. some day ill come to my senses and move the hell out of the rust belt :thumbup:


I just had to do the same thing and a set of vice grips should do it for you.
http://www.ultimateyota.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=903.0