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Piett
03-28-2007, 11:10 PM
Rear Mount - Firestik II Antenna
By: Bob_98SR5
Written: 11/16/03

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Tools & Supplies
Vise
3lb hand "sledge" hammer
Drill and drill bits
X-acto blade
Measuring caliper
Soldering iron
Sharpie pen
Loctite

Parts
Firestik Hood Channel Mount (or comparable mount)
Firestik II antenna
Spring adapter mount
Quick-release adapter mount
Rubber grommet
Rubber donut (optional)
Bungee-type cord (optional)

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Summary
This write up is an "adjustment" to my original installation of my Cobra 75 CB and Firestik II write up which was mounted on a Firestik Hood Channel mount. While the hood channel mount worked perfectly, quite frankly it was an eye sore. In addition, driving with the antenna mounted on a spring mount at highway speeds was a scary experience---the antenna would sway backwards and at times, sway in all directions.

After seeing a picture that of a rear mounted Firestik antenna on a Tacoma Doublecab, I was inspired to do the same. Being the cheap ******* that I am, I decided to see if I could recycle the existing parts and make it work. Being the MacGyver that I can be sometimes, I'm proud to say it worked. :) Read on.

Note: I've documented this write up and assumed that you've installed your hood channel mount like I did.


Step 1: The Making of a Rear-Mount
Take your Firestik hood channel mount and put it in your vise. Crank that vise until the hood channel intersection (B) is flattened out. If it is not perfectly straight, take your mini-sledge hammer and pound out the mount until it is completely straight:

http://4runners.org/image/rear_firestik/antmount_01_b.jpg
Here is a pic of the original hood mount. You will need to completely flatten out the 90 degree bend (B)

http://4runners.org/image/rear_firestik/rear_bent_straight_s.jpg
Here's what the hood channel mount should look like after you straighten it out.


Step 2: Removing the Paneling
To remove the driver's side bottom panel, remove the four 10mm bolts. Next, remove the bottom driver's side kick panel pull it towards you. Next, unscrew the driver's side front and rear kick step panels.

http://4runners.org/image/rear_firestik/trim_pieces.jpg
To remove part (A), remove the four 10mm bolts. Panel (B) posts right out. Kick panel (C) will simply unscrew and can be pulled out.

http://4runners.org/image/dist/rear_step_panel.jpg
The rear step panel can be unscrewed easily and be pulled out. Unscrew screws (S)

http://Step 3: Preparing the Rear Mount
You will need to run the coax through the body of your rear hatch area. Also, you will need to drill into a small portion of the rear hatch area to mount your 'new' antenna mount. Start by using your calipers to determine the diameter of your coax cable. Then drill an appropriate sized hole in area shown below. Insert your rubber grommet.

Next, put your 'new' antenna mount against the area shown below (left picture) and mark your pilot holes. Drill your pilot holes, spray with some rust protectant (or spray paint), let dry, put a little loctite on your self-tapping metal screws, and screw in.

http://4runners.org/image/rear_firestik/cb_rear_channel_s.jpg
This is the approximate size of the area where you will be mounting the new mount.

http://4runners.org/image/rear_firestik/rear_grommet_01_s.jpg
Drill a hole and insert your rubber grommet.

http://4runners.org/image/rear_firestik/pilots.jpg
Mark your pilot holes. The original hood channel mount only has three screws. Thus, I drilled/screwed 3 holes. If I were to do it again, I'd drill four holes.


Step 3: Running and Repairing the Coax
At the interior plug end of the coax cable, cut the coax as close to the end as possible. Discard the plug end. Open your hood and then pull the coax cable through the firewall and into the engine bay. Take the coax cable, reattach the end to your new rear antenna mount and run the cut end through your rear hatch area grommet. Run the cable under the carpet, under the step panels, and back to the cb cable box.

http://4runners.org/image/cobra/coax_end_unsold.jpg
Here's a shot of the original cb coax connector. Cut at interesection (A)

http://4runners.org/image/rear_firestik/rear_mounted_02_s.jpg
Here is the antenna coax end connected to the antenna mount.

You will have to repair and reattach a new coax plug connector. Begin by carefully slicing the black protective cable down about 1.5 inches and remove the covering. Next, pull the braided copper wires outwards---it should look like a lion's mane. Next, cut the plastic white cover down about a half inch down from the top. Next, affix the new connector down and screw it down. You should have some frayed ends poking out. Cut those ends with a pair of scissors. Solder the tip and then you're done. Finish by screwing it into the cable box.


Step 4: Mounting Your Antenna - Usage Notes
Mounting the antenna, of course, is an easy thing to do. However, the antenna will get in the way of opening and closing the rear hatch. Thus, a quick-release or a spring mount must be used in conjunction with your new rear mount.

I prefer to use the quick release mount when driving on the highways. It is much stable than a spring mount. Then when I get to my off-road destination, I will use the spring mount. I also attach a bungee-type cord to the antenna and to the top of my roof rack to avoid the predictable swaying of the antenna.

Click here (http://4runners.org/writeups/rearfirestik/firestik_pics.html) for some larger, close-up pics of the rear mounted Firestik II Antenna.

expatoz
05-17-2007, 04:51 PM
You might want to suggest in the instructions to add some rust protection to those holes you drilled.

skyrat
05-17-2007, 05:24 PM
Bob,
I used your method of installation of the Cobra and Firestik II a couple of years ago and it works great and I would highly recommend it to others. One change I made was to use a quick connect adapter so I could put the firestik on and take it off without tools. Thanks for reminding me of your accurate and thorough instructions.

Bob98SR5
05-17-2007, 06:32 PM
mark:

yes, you are right. i'll add it

george:

great to see you here! we gotta meet up on the trails or somewhere else---its been awhile!

bob

fenrisx
08-06-2007, 05:38 PM
Also if you buy the Firestick door jamb mount.. it eliminates the need for a vise and sledge hammer.

Still mounts in the same place, in the same fashion.

Seanz0rz
08-06-2007, 11:34 PM
im in the process of designing a door jamb mount that wont interfere with the rear door. should have a prototype up next weekend, i will post my progress in another thread. removing each time to get to the rear cargo is really annoying.... i find myself using the window more and more.

fenrisx
08-07-2007, 03:02 PM
What antenna do you use? I'm using a Wilson Flex so it's not a problem for me. It bend right out of the way when I need to open the hatch.

Maybe if you added some length to the door jamb mount, and bent it in a different place it would put it far enough out to miss the door. But then it'd be sticking out further to the side, and more prone to catch branches or the side of an embankment when you're off roading.

slosurfer
08-07-2007, 08:05 PM
Is there a reason no one is using this kind of bracket from firestik?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/slosurfer27/IMG_5976.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/slosurfer27/IMG_5979.jpg

I also added the quick release and I have mine tilted a little. I guess with a 3rd gen you may not be able to tilt it but it should be free of the door if it is straight up.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/slosurfer27/IMG_5977.jpg

YotaFun
08-07-2007, 08:35 PM
slosurfer
I have the same mount

Ordered mine online for $30 iirc
Came with the mount and cable.

slosurfer
08-07-2007, 08:38 PM
I don't remember what I paid, but I just bought the bracket.

Seanz0rz
08-07-2007, 09:00 PM
i have an extra one of those brackets if anyone wants one.

im trying to redesign it. i hate having to use the quick release to open the rear door.

YotaFun
08-07-2007, 09:04 PM
i have an extra one of those brackets if anyone wants one.

im trying to redesign it. i hate having to use the quick release to open the rear door.


Do you have a spring on it?
I just push the antenna out of the way.
I asked SC4Runner from YT about his cause I wanted my Antenna out of the way (hence why even my stock radio antenna went by by)
And the spring works for him.

Seanz0rz
08-07-2007, 09:20 PM
yea i have a spring. still hate it. i know its probably the best place on the vehicle, its just such a pain.

slosurfer
08-07-2007, 09:26 PM
I don't know if I am missing something or not, why do you need to move the antenna to open the door?

garrett
08-07-2007, 09:31 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/stingray1478/4Runner/Mods/IMG_0660.jpg

tail gate curves around and above taillight. it doesnt go straight up like 2nd gens.

Seanz0rz
08-07-2007, 09:32 PM
garret said it with a pic. ill clarify. the piece of the door above the tail light hits the antenna when it goes up, and if you push the antenna to the side, it will get pinched when the door comes down.

slosurfer
08-07-2007, 09:41 PM
Oh, I get it now. I was picturing it going straight up.

fenrisx
08-07-2007, 10:38 PM
Do Firestick antennas not flex? Only reason I ask is because this Wilson is the only one I've own and it'll bend nearly tip to tip (180degrees)

Seanz0rz
08-07-2007, 10:40 PM
no the firestik's are hard fiberglass. i have a spring, and all that does is make it hit my rear door.

fenrisx
08-07-2007, 10:51 PM
Gotcha.. I guess I won't be replacing my Wilson with one then! Even tho I was thinking about it.

Someone on the CB forum mentioned having a Everhardt antenna.. which is like my Wilson and bends easily out of the way.

They also said when they did side by side comparison with it.. the Everhardt gave better readings.. and they're cheap. Might want to look into one of those or the Wilson.

Seanz0rz
08-10-2007, 08:01 PM
ok so i finished my fab work today, well all except for painting. i have to say im extrememly pleased!!!

now time for pics.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/hamiltoncomputers/DSC02093.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/hamiltoncomputers/DSC02094.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/hamiltoncomputers/DSC02095.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/hamiltoncomputers/DSC02099.jpg

so there you go, i had to modify the rubber piece with the arrow. shaved a bit off of the top. the flat piece has two sheet metal screws and fits under the 2 bolts that hold on the rubber pad.

the rear door only contacts it for a fraction of an inch when coming down or going up, its perfect!!!

now, go ahead, ask questions. if you want one, i can make one for you for a small price.

huge improvement over the firestick mount.

slosurfer
08-10-2007, 08:36 PM
:thumbup: Very nice! The only problem I could foresee (sp?) is that with it that long, when you get the side to side motion going, it will be putting more twisting force on the flat piece that the screws go through. YOu may want to add additional screws. I have noticed this on mine, especially on rocky trails, that gets the side to side motion going. I couldn't tell how many screws you have in there, but other than that, great job and it looks killer too!

On a side note, has anyone tried to take one of the firestik brackets and mount it in the same place, but attached to the rear hatch itself rather than the body? Might have to do a custom bend, and I'm guessing the wiring may would have to come in up top where the brake light wiring comes in.

garrett
08-10-2007, 09:58 PM
Do you drive around with the antenna on all the time? Why not just store it in the back so you dont have to deal with the antenna/hatch issue day to day...

Seanz0rz
08-10-2007, 10:05 PM
as for the twisting and such. me and my friend gave it a pretty good beating, and being 1/8 inch steel, it didnt move much, especially with that spring. i chose to mount it under those existing bolts to hold it in better. as you can see, there are lots of screw holes in the body from previous mounting positions. i will add at least one more screw. you can see a hole, i was going to put a screw there but it was too close to the edge of the body.

problem with mounting it to the door is the edge of the door is like other doors, just a very thin edge, im not sure how you would mount anything and then get the wires down to the mount.

garret, i usually dont have the antenna there, but while offroading i need to get in the back to get stuff. i also like having it there while traveling, its nice to listen to trucker's convos. its a pain to have to remove it to get stuff in the hatch. for the small cost, and small amount of time building it. it was totally worth it! now i can drive with the antenna there MOST of the time.

Seanz0rz
08-10-2007, 10:53 PM
also forgot to mention, i also keep a strap tied from the antenna to the surco to keep the antenna from whipping around too much.

i will also be adding a tennis ball to the lower part of the firestik.