UFO's.... Fact or Fiction

[Good Times]

So what's the deal here? Are these things real or is it something the good ol government cooking some crazy stuff up and just making us go crazy?

At any rate I'm a firm believer in these strange objects as well as the understanding that there are higher beings out there. We're definitely not alone out there.

Check out the latest thing I found recently...

http://www.earthfiles.com/Images/news/D/DroneCaretAntigravLo.jpg

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Call me strange but I love reading up on these things :) I'd like to be able to do an offroading trip to Area 51 one of these days :hillbill: Anyone wanna join me and then get arrested cuz we're tresspassing by "accident"? :angel:

[elripster]

There are lot of things to consider. Think about this, any being that sends technology to this planet (forget about themsleves) has essentially transcended to a point where they can bend the physical laws of our universe to their will. To even attain light speed, which so far has proven impossible for all but light (energy).(would take infinite energy or all the energy in tne universe to move matter that fast. You would at that point more or less BE the universe from consuming infinite energy to try to attain light speed.) This would pose two problems. First, time would be standing still for the traveler. Your destination could be obliterated by its star going nova billions of centuries before you come out of light speed and arrive there. Heck even at light speed, it will take anywhere from 10 to millions of years to get from one solar system to another. How do you live that long?

So why would a species that is a demigod of sorts be so interested in us? The next step from bending or at least cheating the physical laws of the universe are rewriting/creating them which would elevate them to pretty much God status. We just don't seem that important to me.

I don't think we have aliens here or alien tech unless it was purely scientific or observatory equipment that failed and fell to Earth. We definitely have our fair share of space trash on Mars, etc...

Just the risk of disease should be enough to keep an intelligent species from coming directly into contact with a foreight eco system. However, if a species was so advanced as to accomplish space travel in a timely fashion, well then they might study us and other planets for the sake of science.

Frank

[ChickenLover]

At any rate I'm a firm believer in these strange objects as well as the understanding that there are higher beings out there. We're definitely not alone out there.



Funny. I stumbled upon the same 'Isaac' article last week. Very interesting, to say the least. Like you, I am a firm believer. Your photos aren't working, but I assume they are pics of the dragonfly drones.

Isaac's description of the symbols and how they act as the craft's software was very fascinating.


http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6400/craft050607x2pr2.jpg

[Bob98SR5]

So why would a species that is a demigod of sorts be so interested in us?


Well, duh Frank! Here's why:

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and here:

http://www.mererhetoric.com/images/barrefaeli_sm.jpg

and can't forget here:

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oh yeah, and here:

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...uhh, sorry maybe not that...Ok, here:

http://www.usc.edu/student-affairs/IMREC/spirit/song/thesquad/2007squad.jpg

and for the gay space alien types who'd love to abduct Robinhood4x4 as a fine specimen, here:

http://z.about.com/d/gaylife/1/0/w/5/newyorkgaypride45.jpg

But to answer your question Lance, yes, total believer in aliens. My co-workers think im crazy too :D. Fine by me!

[Ric]

:rofl: :rofl: i about spit on the screen.

[anthony1]

some of those pics look like ceiling fan to me....

[mastacox]

I don't have any problem believing that there could be life somewhere else very far away in the universe... The universe (and even just our galaxy) is a gigantic place, and it is well within the realm of possibility that conditions similar to our own exist somewhere else as well.

HOWEVER, I don't believe we have been in contact with or been visited by those aliens. Why?

1) Distance. The amount of distance needed to be travelled is incredible. Just coming from the other side of our galaxy would take an incredible amount of time, and even if they (the aliens) have some magical insta-warp machine that allows them to travel very fast without relativistic consequences, the total search volume of space that would have to be covered for them to find us is staggering. (4/3)(pi)(r^3) to be exact...

2) Radio transmission power. People seem to think that aliens will have detected our radio transmissions, and come to investigate. Impossible for a couple of reasons.

- First is that they simply aren't powerful enough. Even if we send out a super-powerful super focused beam to another star, it still wouldn't be detectable over galactic background noise. And we wouldn't be able to detect them either... the Arciebo telescope of the SETI project wouldn't be able to detect a standard omnidirectional television transmission outside of our own solar system, let alone thousands of lightyears away.

- Second is that our most primitive EM emissions are barely 100 years old (barely enough time to travel 100 light years, and the oldest transmissions were of course weakest), and even our most powerful transmissions are only a few decades old (so what, maybe 30-40 light years travelled); these distances are not nearly far enough to have come in contact with another form of intelligent life that has radio recieving capabilities and can somehow find our signal in the noise...

3) The Drake equation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation). Sure, it's all just speculation, but it's argument is a strong one- intelligent civilizations capable of advanced communication are probably rare (ones with faster than-light space travel that exist right now with us exceedingly rare), and most certainly very far apart. Best-guess estimates using the Drake equation puts the number of advanced civizations in our Galaxy at perhaps 2 or 3; in the entire galaxy!

4) The government really sucks at coverups. They suck so bad you don't even know they suck so bad. Even little coverups like presidents cheating or people being asassinated are incredibly difficult to keep under wraps; a coverup as big as alien life existing and visitng us is beyond the realm of possibility IMO.

5) The universe (and even the galaxy) have been around for a LONG LONG time (as in billions of years), but we've been around and able to talk for what, 10,000 maybe? And we've only had technologies with radio transmissions for a hundred. What are the odds another civilization exists in our same timeframe, detects us, and gets in contact with us before either their cvilization gets wiped out or ours does? Not good, that's for sure.

That is all :D

[Tankota]

^^ Thats exactly what I wanted to say, but I couldn't think of an intelligent way to say it.

Thank you!

[corax]

I don't have any problem believing that there could be life somewhere else very far away in the universe... The universe (and even just our galaxy) is a gigantic place, and it is well within the realm of possibility that conditions similar to our own exist somewhere else as well.


You pretty much said it as far as I'm concerned. However, one thing I've always had a problem with is the phrase "life as we know it" needing conditions similar to ours - if there is life somewhere else, who says that it has to be in any way similar to us? There is active life on the microbial level, living with no oxygen present, in Arctic conditions and also life present in the sulphur rich volcanic plumes on the ocean floor where nothing else would survive.

So, no, I don't believe we're alone in the universe, but as far as contact - personally, I don't even like talking to the majority of people on this planet, yet alone some of the backwoods hicks that seem to get contacted most