Bar Hopper you say? no im a college hopper

[neliconcept]

well looks like im going back to south carolina yet a #^$&$% gain. and nobody at CSU seems to be willing to help me move on and graduate out of here.

Long Story short, i met with the head of the photo department and he wont even bother to let me in a photo 1 class because i dont have all the prereqs to get in and knowing that i am better then him at photo probably made his decision easier (no i didnt say i was better), i just showed him some of my work, he said no that stuff wont help you.

what happened to skill makes a photographer and not grades?

decision hasnt been made but i may be going to Clemson U next year.

at least Clemson reviews portfolios.

rant off

[Cheese]

Not trying to be a dick, but...

College produces degreed photographers. Degrees have rules and linear progressions. You need to do X to get to point Y. If you do not, you cannot.

I am impressed by your ability, the arts are harder than the sciences in that way. You have to study a certain set of stuff to be an engineer, you cannot be one without.

For people with mad skills in music or art, many forgo education and go straight to performance. The degree shows you can follow a path and play by some rules.

Good luck.

[oly884]

I'll go ahead and jump on the wagon with cheese here. Part of college is prerequisites. They suck, I know. As a chemical engineer, taking college writing and geography classes were not my most memorable experiences. If there was the possibility to skip those classes and jump into the field, I'd go for it. You can't do that with engineering though.

Now with photography, I imagine that you wouldn't have that issue so-to-speak. To sum it up though, to get through any college, you have to play by the rules.

[neliconcept]

well i probably blame prerequisites in my previous post, but its not really the issue. I have most of all prereqs to get in, actually i have them all, but they are not taking the ones from my previous college, because they think... ohh it doesnt really count blah blah.

the fact that this teacher was a freakin asshole to me just makes me want to to go back to the southern comfort that is South Carolina and head to clemson.

oh and the open option seeking major is the gayest thing that could ever happen to an institution.

clemson and south carolina, virginia tech and UGA do not have this crap.

[bamachem]

i'll be the third critic. sorry, but time to grow up and play by the rules everyone else does. harsh, i know, but it's the truth. the real world won't be any easier on you, so don't think that my POV is distorted either.

seriously, if you don't have the pre-reqs, then what did you expect him to do? let you slide? what about the next guy? he's running an accredited program, not a charity, and can't let you in w/o the pre-reqs or he jeopardizes his institutions accredidation, plain and simple.

furthermore, you won't get anywhere if you jump ship every time somebody says they won't break the rules for you. you either follow the rules or you get left behind. every time you jump ship to another college, i suspect that you're loosing credits, but more importantly, you're loosing TIME. time that you could be working. time that you could be making money. time that you could be expanding your career and horizions. time that would be YOURS to do what you want with it rather than your time belonging to the school that you happen to be attending this year, or the next, or the next, or the next....

i attended 3 different colleges and worked my way thru school (part time classes and full-time work for years) and i regret that. i wish i would have gone one place, stayed put, lived the poor college student life and get out of school in 4-5 years instead of the nearly SEVEN that it took me to earn a 4-year degree. before you get pissed at me, i've walked in your shoes, and i wouldn't do it that way again if i could have a 're-do'.

[neliconcept]

i'll be the third critic. sorry, but time to grow up and play by the rules everyone else does. harsh, i know, but it's the truth. the real world won't be any easier on you, so don't think that my POV is distorted either.

seriously, if you don't have the pre-reqs, then what did you expect him to do? let you slide? what about the next guy? he's running an accredited program, not a charity, and can't let you in w/o the pre-reqs or he jeopardizes his institutions accredidation, plain and simple.

furthermore, you won't get anywhere if you jump ship every time somebody says they won't break the rules for you. you either follow the rules or you get left behind. every time you jump ship to another college, i suspect that you're loosing credits, but more importantly, you're loosing TIME. time that you could be working. time that you could be making money. time that you could be expanding your career and horizions. time that would be YOURS to do what you want with it rather than your time belonging to the school that you happen to be attending this year, or the next, or the next, or the next....

i attended 3 different colleges and worked my way thru school (part time classes and full-time work for years) and i regret that. i wish i would have gone one place, stayed put, lived the poor college student life and get out of school in 4-5 years instead of the nearly SEVEN that it took me to earn a 4-year degree. before you get pissed at me, i've walked in your shoes, and i wouldn't do it that way again if i could have a 're-do'.


i dont think anybody is getting the point here.

every college allows for students who have had to transfer or what not take a pre req class the same semester as taking a photo class or core major class.

Im looking at the best way to graduate the fastest and stop wasting semesters taking classes that dont ****ing count.

if i cant do it here, then ill go elsewhere. and i probably wont even loose out either.

Im contacting, Clemson, Miami, LSU, UGA, UF and other schools that are in the area to figure this out and get on the way to graduation other then ****ing wasting time with these people.

its called double loading, you take prereqs for a class the same time you take that class. its been done a thousand times.

and about moving three colleges Andy. my first college kicked me out of art which is my life. no way i was staying to change majors at a shitty insitution.

second college is CSU. if i cant even get into art classes to finish up, whats the point in paying 30k a year to take useless fucking classes?

then their is the option of going to an art institute and waste 30k a year but at least they take portfolios and dont rely on grades. Im not the best test person.

but I know that im a fucking god at design work and i love doing it.

[neliconcept]

ill keep yall updated when i make some phone calls this afternoon to each college to see what will happen when i transfer.

but i bet 1000 dollars that i will start taking classes right away with clemson or UGA and graduate faster.

im done with core classes, i have no more core classes to even take, its ridiculous, wtf am i going to do if i cant take classes at all? see my point?

[Cheese]

Something is getting lost in translation.

The point Andy, David and I are making is that there are rules and it sounds like you are not interested in playing by them.

If the credits did not transfer, then that is another peril of bouncing schools.

I changed schools after my freshman year, in state and not because of academic problems. There were courses, with the same course number and apparently same content that did not count because they were not taken at that institution.

Again, good luck. If you have skills to just "go pro" so to speak, I would forget the school as it sounds like you are not pumped to play the game.

[neliconcept]

I understand where you are coming from, rules are rules and yes i will play by them, but each school has their own rules, and certain rules imo are just bullshit

like i said, im not 100% sure, why im going to make some full on phone calls with clemson, UGA, LSU, Miami, GT, Atlanta AI and SCAD.

im pretty pissed off, i had to break up fights tonight, got sucker punched twice, and ended up kicking a kid through a door because he wouldnt leave me alone while im the one trying to be the peace maker.

i didnt box 3 years for nothing.

[BruceTS]

I don't get it????? Why are you wasting your time with college? What degree will help you get a job in the field of photography? Your better off being an apprentice to a studio and getting hands on experience, since the industry looks at your actual work over how many degrees you may have aquired.

[neliconcept]

to make the decision final, im staying in fort collins till mid july or so, not like i can just up and goto clemson or whoever in the fall anyways, deadlines for fall08 are done. spring 09 is when id have to apply for.

so i will register for fall here and get classes in shape, then ill talk to some more people and talk more in depth and set up meetings to explain to them what exactly needs to be done for me to move on.

thanks for all the help though

[calrockx]

but I know that im a fucking god at design work


http://sf.startupweekend.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/o_rly.jpg

[tulsa_sr5]

I can tell you are really upset about this, I hope you'd give yourself a couple days to cool off a little before deciding what's next. I guess to me, and don't take this as an attack, it comes down to taking responsibilty for your decisions. It's my understanding that you chose to change schools after a year, have chosen all your courses to this point, chose your major at some point. From what I've read you have put yourself in your current spot, and it doesn't sound like that bad of spot honestly.

You mentioned being open option, which makes me think you are deciding on a major after 2 years of school. I'm not sure it's realistic to expect to graduate in 4 years after not having a major for two. I was open option for a year at CSU, and spent a ton of time going though the catalog that summer trying to choose a major. Even though every class I took my freshman year aplied to one or two requirements I quickly realized the majority of majors would take me more than 4 years due to all the pre-reqs specific to that major I hadn't started on.

I guess bottom line, I think you need to take responsibility for the position you are in. Doesn't mean you've done anything wrong, I think all of us can look back over just about any period in our lives and realize as well as things may have worked out we could have made different choices that would have been even better. From everything you've said though, I think you had all the info you needed to see this coming.

[waskillywabbit]

Getting a college degree is never wasted.

My engineering degree didn't teach me squat how to be an engineer, it simply taught me how to think like an engineer as 99% of the junk I learned for my BS I never use nor will I.

Vita sine litteris mors est.

:guitar:

[SD4runner]

If it makes you feel any better, I'm on the 10 year program... I've changed majors about 4 times now. I've taken every single pre-req ever offered, 3 community colleges, and now finally transferring to San Diego state in Environmental Engineering.

Basically, college is just about jumping through hoops. I always use this analogy, but: Ya, you can still drive a car w/o a drivers license, but, its the license that allows you to drive it in our society. Same thing goes with the damn degree. Jump through some more hoops, bend over for the man, you know, I just decide I like carrying the industrial sized can of vaseline with me at all times... Its all good.

[neliconcept]

I can tell you are really upset about this, I hope you'd give yourself a couple days to cool off a little before deciding what's next. I guess to me, and don't take this as an attack, it comes down to taking responsibilty for your decisions. It's my understanding that you chose to change schools after a year, have chosen all your courses to this point, chose your major at some point. From what I've read you have put yourself in your current spot, and it doesn't sound like that bad of spot honestly.

You mentioned being open option, which makes me think you are deciding on a major after 2 years of school. I'm not sure it's realistic to expect to graduate in 4 years after not having a major for two. I was open option for a year at CSU, and spent a ton of time going though the catalog that summer trying to choose a major. Even though every class I took my freshman year aplied to one or two requirements I quickly realized the majority of majors would take me more than 4 years due to all the pre-reqs specific to that major I hadn't started on.

I guess bottom line, I think you need to take responsibility for the position you are in. Doesn't mean you've done anything wrong, I think all of us can look back over just about any period in our lives and realize as well as things may have worked out we could have made different choices that would have been even better. From everything you've said though, I think you had all the info you needed to see this coming.


i see what you mean.

but i havent been undeclared period. i declared graphic design for 3 years at Anderson college and did so with their program

i then went to open option because of the rule they implemented for transfer students at CSU. now im not a major at all right now.

I guess the point is, if im going to go on a 6-10 year plan, why waste 30k a year when i can just waste instate tuition..

and Charles, i did work at 2advanced for a year and 7 months... remember?

[calrockx]

and Charles, i did work at 2advanced for a year and 7 months... remember?


that does not make you a "design god."
although, i haven't seen very many pieces of your work. post a link to your portfolio.

and there is something to be said for humility.

[BruceTS]

Getting a college degree is never wasted.

I have to disagree, for some fields of work it would do nothing to aid in getting a job. I've seen time and time again where someone with a college degree in one field, working in another. Going to college with no real direction, taking general studies isn't gonna help you make a career decision. Getting out and experiencing life, afterwards formulating a plan is far better, then go to college to take the courses needed.

Lets see $30k a year for 5 to 6 years, that's $150 to $180k in the hole and all those years lost for what? a piece of paper that says I have a BS degree... Now in some fields you need them to get a job, like the legal and medical, but in graphics design and photography, I can't see where a college degree will get you better pay. If you already have the skills and talent, then simply get a job. All the studios in my area look at your portfolio and how quickly you can finish a project, they could care less about the degrees you have.



99% of the junk I learned for my BS I never use nor will I.
:headscratch: And that wasn't a waste of time? :confused:

[Cheese]

I feel like devaluing college for anyone but Doctors and Lawyers is a little too broad a stroke.

I think doing anything without direction or focus is hard. To a degree, I wrestle with this.

College is more than just a piece of paper. To say someone learned nothing to be used later boggles my mind. There are parts of school outside the classroom that are important for teaching and learning. I took 5 semesters to get through 2 semesters of O-Chem. Daily I do not use a lick of O-Chem knowledge, but what I learned from it gets me through.

A lot of time I feel like school is saying, "dance now monkey."

[oly884]

but I know that im a fucking god at design work


http://sf.startupweekend.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/o_rly.jpg


Best. Post. Ever.

[neliconcept]

and Charles, i did work at 2advanced for a year and 7 months... remember?


that does not make you a "design god."
although, i haven't seen very many pieces of your work. post a link to your portfolio.

and there is something to be said for humility.


i probably posted that because i was pissed off at the time.

but i do think i have the skill here to baffle most teachers.

though my style is different and i usually change it up every so often

oh and to be jokingly about this, i can say ive met people from all across the country. but i came to colorado state hoping that i could finish in 2.5 years including this year, and get a good degree while having the mountains and city life of denver at my fingertips for design and photo inspiration.

i was wrong and admit that i made a huge mistake.


http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m68/neliconcept/Come_Alive.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m68/neliconcept/Recall.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m68/neliconcept/Feel_the_music.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m68/neliconcept/andinew.jpg

last one is of my model shot and design and was trying something different.

so there you saw some of my work.

[Seanz0rz]

dood, my 4 year degree turned quickly into what looks like 6, maybe more. just gotta do it. all universities have the same bullshit, you just have to learn to play the game and play the system where you can, and bend over and take it where you cant.

the only thing that matters is that stupid piece of paper. without it, your life will be a bit harder, with it, you are invited to more exclusive areas of industry. sucks, but its the truth, and no matter how good you are, its alot easier with that degree. just bend over and take it like everyone else... fight when you know you have a good chance of winning, and conform when you are screwed. in the long term, it just doesnt matter.

of course this is not to say i havent learned anything that i will apply to my future career or life in general. of course you learn stuff in university, but the real point is that it proves you can deal with crap, be a team player, are able to learn quickly and have the ability to problem solve, etc (at least all that is true for engineers, not so sure about design since that is a much more subjective field).

[neliconcept]

dood, my 4 year degree turned quickly into what looks like 6, maybe more. just gotta do it. all universities have the same bullshit, you just have to learn to play the game and play the system where you can, and bend over and take it where you cant.

the only thing that matters is that stupid piece of paper. without it, your life will be a bit harder, with it, you are invited to more exclusive areas of industry. sucks, but its the truth, and no matter how good you are, its alot easier with that degree. just bend over and take it like everyone else... fight when you know you have a good chance of winning, and conform when you are screwed. in the long term, it just doesnt matter.

of course this is not to say i havent learned anything that i will apply to my future career or life in general. of course you learn stuff in university, but the real point is that it proves you can deal with crap, be a team player, are able to learn quickly and have the ability to problem solve, etc (at least all that is true for engineers, not so sure about design since that is a much more subjective field).


i can either bend over and take it here at CSU and pay another 60-90k or just pay 10-30k back home..

is anybody getting that part of my posts into their head yet?

[slosurfer]

What about going to the Arts Institute International of Denver? (I think that is the name of it)

[BruceTS]

I feel like devaluing college for anyone but Doctors and Lawyers is a little too broad a stroke.

hehe, but college taught them how to make the rest of us bend over and take it in the arse.

[neliconcept]

What about going to the Arts Institute International of Denver? (I think that is the name of it)


ive been looking at art institutes, and its still going to make me shell out about 24k then i have to find living, as they dont supply it.

gonna live 2 months with these 4 girls and ill keep investigating here.

[Cheese]

Because of the business I am in and the way you have responded, I too will offer something to get into a head.

You started the argument as a vent that people were making you jump through hoops. It was acknowledge that was part of this game and we suggested you were disappointed.

Then you said perhaps the Prof. was pissed because his skills were inferior to yours.

Now you suggested that it was not the hoops, the rules were reasonable but that you would like to jump through cheaper hoops.

If you want to be a degreed artist, there are some sacrifices to make. If not, take the gamble.

Good luck.

[neliconcept]

Because of the business I am in and the way you have responded, I too will offer something to get into a head.

You started the argument as a vent that people were making you jump through hoops. It was acknowledge that was part of this game and we suggested you were disappointed.

Then you said perhaps the Prof. was pissed because his skills were inferior to yours.

Now you suggested that it was not the hoops, the rules were reasonable but that you would like to jump through cheaper hoops.

If you want to be a degreed artist, there are some sacrifices to make. If not, take the gamble.

Good luck.


Thanks Adrian

my first post was a rant, the rest have been reasonable points about whats going on. Despite him being rude to me. The rules that are implemented do allow for overrides, doesnt matter if one student gets it that another should. overrides are there for a purpose, he was either in a bad mood, didnt like me, or is just a plain douchebag. Every person that I have spoken too at CSU in the art dept. was willing to help, this guy was to the exception and hes the one i have to get through in order to make the photo thing happen.

The advisor, nice as she is, cannot do much with overrides or anything of that sort, only other person i could even bother with is the teacher of the photo class, but since they dont have his/her information, nothing i can do there.

I have taken the necessary steps in order to try and render the situation and my future at CSU.
In my opinion, hoops or no hoops to jump through, rules or no rules. If no one in the photography dept is willing to help me and guide me through graduation, whats the fucking point?

Then you say, well then dont do photography and stick with graphic design. That may be my option and i may speak with the head of graphic design by phone, email, or in person in the next couple of weeks, but if i get the same answer and or attitude. Bye bye colorado.

[AxleIke]

The life application of College Degree's depends on the business you're in.

I got a degree in 4.5 years, got a job using that degree 2 weeks after graduation, and am loving life and enjoying the work.

Others I know have been less fortunate. They are working alongside high schoolers in a coffee shop.

Part of that is an unwillingness to put in the time and effort to make the degree mean something.

Many places will not accept an application without a college degree because the degree shows you are committed enough to go through 4+ years of schooling. You cannot be a manager at many chain stores without one, doesn't matter what that degree is.

I wish you well Blake, wherever you end up. Hopefully the business is good to you.

[YotaFun]

Many places will not accept an application without a college degree because the degree shows you are committed enough to go through 4+ years of schooling. You cannot be a manager at many chain stores without one, doesn't matter what that degree is.


I can attest to taht, my mother works for JPMorganChase and she has been there 25 years.
Only about 2 years ago did she finally become a vice president.
She only has a High School Degree.
There is another VP in the company that has been there only 5 Years, and she is already a VP, how? Cause she had a college degree, and the thing that makes me laugh the most is that the degree is in ancient history, for those of you that are not familiar with JPMorgan, it is a cooperate bank...

It has taken me almost 4 Years just to get an associates degree, after starting off in a field that I was not interested in, to then becoming undeclared to then choosing to be a business major.
And I am stopping there and will be starting my Automotive Career at Universal Technical Institute.
Something that I should have done right out of high school.

I am going for something I love that will give me a lot of motivation.
At the start of my business courses I had plans, but that slowly dwindled and my love for anything that I could tinker with my hand got a hold of me.

The frustration of the core classes isn't all to bad until you fail a simple one and have to retake it (happening to me this summer...)
I do see where you are coming from with the no help trying to get you going in the direction you want, I think that is another reason I am not perusing my business degree pass associates.

I think I am randomly babbling now so I will stop, but think hard about what you really want to do and what will really help you do it.

Good Luck

[mastacox]

My engineering degree didn't teach me squat how to be an engineer, it simply taught me how to think like an engineer as 99% of the junk I learned for my BS I never use nor will I.


It all depends on the engineering program, what kind of experience the professors have, and how much you read between the lines. I use almost all of my mechanical engineering-specific design skills on a weekly basis. More than anything it depends on what field you are working in, and what your job description actually entails.

However, it is also true that I've learned as much in the workplace about engineering as I did in all of my engineering-specific classes.





Getting a college degree is never wasted.

I have to disagree, for some fields of work it would do nothing to aid in getting a job. I've seen time and time again where someone with a college degree in one field, working in another. Going to college with no real direction, taking general studies isn't gonna help you make a career decision. Getting out and experiencing life, afterwards formulating a plan is far better, then go to college to take the courses needed.




I think doing anything without direction or focus is hard. To a degree, I wrestle with this.

College is more than just a piece of paper. To say someone learned nothing to be used later boggles my mind. There are parts of school outside the classroom that are important for teaching and learning. I took 5 semesters to get through 2 semesters of O-Chem. Daily I do not use a lick of O-Chem knowledge, but what I learned from it gets me through.


It's so true... I have a friend that got a bachelor's degree in Aerospace engineering, and ended up working at State Farm for 3 years before finally finding a job in the oil industry. At least he has a "real" engineering job now (although not Aero) but what a waste to work in insurance after getting a 4-year engineering degree...

I have seen many other people wander though college because they felt obligated to go, and end up wasting their time, their professors' time, their parents' money, and the college's resources. What's the point of getting a degree in writing or philosophy or political science if you're going to end up being a manager at a restaurant or a ski instructor?! I can't count how many people I've known that got a degree just to say they graduated from college, and then go on to do what they would have done anyway without a degree... in 5-10 years all of the stuff they "learned" for their degree is gone and they're still paying their student loans.

[bigwapitijohnny]

Blake,

I have been in education for over 22 years. I have jumped through all the hoops that you can imagine. Were things unfair? ABSOLUTELY. Was it difficult? ABSOLUTELY. Was it worth it? ABSOLUTELY. Don't get me wrong, I had to ask myself, quite a few times, if it was worth it or not. I even had to go back to school with a wife and newborn the last time around. I can tell you that We ALL are now reaping the benefits of my education, and IT IS GOOD :thumbup:. Now that I am looking from the 'mountain top', I can say, without question, that an educational degree helps. To what extent, I do not know. I do believe that the harder you work the luckier you get, and I am proof positive of this fact. There are alot of talented people out there, however, tales of 'Bill Gatesian' proportions are few and far between. Talent + Degree + Perseverance + Hard work = GREAT LIFE.

I can't tell you how many professors that I have run into that did not give me the time of day. Why?, I don't know or care for that matter. But I did not let that get in the way of my pursuit of my degree. I just took it and plowed through (with distinction). One question that I have is this; What would you do if you run into said 'douchebags' at all of the schools that you are considering? Will you leave there as well? Fight your battles after you get your diploma, and own your own company. Then when you come across opposition, the playing field will be even.

Regards,

BWJ

[Cheese]

Well, the comment about Philosophy hit close to home.

Biology and Philosophy Undergrad, failed as a Pre-Med. Currently working on an MA in Philosophy focused on the ethics of hunting. Between college and grad school I worked with rock crawlers. In college I landscaped and did biological field research.

Am I literally working as a Philosopher or do I ever intend to? Probably not. Will I be a student of Philosophy my whole life, probably.

I do not think any experience is a waste unless you want it to be.

You cannot be here unless you have been there.

[mastacox]

Well, the comment about Philosophy hit close to home.


Well, the major/subject is irrelevant- if you go to school because you feel like you are supposed to, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. A suprising number of people do this IMO.

If you go because you want to learn about something new and interesting, more power to ya :love:

[Cheese]

I am astounded by the pure, linear pragmatists here.

The rebuttal is that I must be some rich kid who had the luxury of dabbling in something as irrelevant as Philosophy while others were forced to join the real world.

If the Philosophy curriculum is irrelevant, then so is business. If the criterion is literal translation into career, there is only medicine, engineering and law. Attending school is not like teaching school so that is out too.

Amusing, really.

[AxleIke]

As I said before, the degree is what you put into it, nothing more.

If you choose to apply yourself, truly enjoy the subject, and can jump in with both feet to make it happen after school, then no degree is a waste. Doesn't matter if you are an engineer or a dance major.

Some people attend school to say they did, nothing more. Many attend, find something they like, and then excel. I've known both types in just about every major. Business kids who applied themselves are now making 6 times what I make, and other business kids are working the counter at starbucks.

The college experience is a good one, as I feel it lets a person really grow up, and get all of the stupid shit out of their system.

"There is a time and a place for everything. And its called College."

[neliconcept]

I can't tell you how many professors that I have run into that did not give me the time of day. Why?, I don't know or care for that matter. But I did not let that get in the way of my pursuit of my degree. I just took it and plowed through (with distinction). One question that I have is this; What would you do if you run into said 'douchebags' at all of the schools that you are considering? Will you leave there as well? Fight your battles after you get your diploma, and own your own company. Then when you come across opposition, the playing field will be even.

Regards,

BWJ


yeah and im sure i will meet one of those at clemson or whatever i decide to do instate.

fact of the matter is, its going to be a 3rd of what im paying now. i want to attend college, i want to learn more about what i love doing even though i may have some big ego with it, i do not or will never know everything their is with photography and graphic design, im here to develop my style into something that sells or displays on billboards or whatever. Clemson does not have a graphic design program, they have graphic communications, little different, but they do have a photography major which is a bit more important, i can learn graphic design on my own with the help of my mentor back in greenville who is a huge designer in that portion of the country.

I am certainly not attending school just to say i have graduated, My time here at CSU wasnt a waste as I might have thought, I really did learn how to paint with acryllics on masonite board and it was a fun experience that may not have gotten anywhere else especially at anderson college since they dont use acryllics but oils on canvas and i hate oils.

I learned to use somre more power tools and what not in my sculpture class, and i met new people. But what i may be trying to say is that i should have thought this through before i came out to fort collins on what might have happened. i can make this work no doubt, but it will add time on to my staying here and time = $$$ , $$$ i cant afford to spend

[slosurfer]

You could always just walk down to your nearest recruiter. :flipoff:

[mastacox]

fact of the matter is, its going to be a 3rd of what im paying now. i want to attend college, i want to learn more about what i love doing even though i may have some big ego with it, i do not or will never know everything their is with photography and graphic design, im here to develop my style into something that sells or displays on billboards or whatever.

This is has made the most sense out of anything. "I want to learn the tricks of the trade, and I can get a similar education for a lot less money here."

So just a quick question- are there any design studios that might take you on as an "intern," and perhaps pay for your education if they like what they see? While probably not 100% applicable, it's very common in the engineering fields for people to work for 5 or 10 years, and then consider getting a second degree or other continuing education on the company's dime. Continuing education is big these days...

[neliconcept]

You could always just walk down to your nearest recruiter. :flipoff:


lol, Chris, as much as i have thought about it, my parents will not let me, my entire family is ex military except my mom.

Brian. good suggestion, i plan to talk with my old teacher from AU who quit there (many think she just wanted to work only, i know the real reason she quit) and work with her, she is a phenominal designer and i could really get some insight from her about clients and general basis ideas.

As far as my town is concerned, its very design incompetent. Ive seen some of the #^^$iest stuff come from some of the studios that its not even funny, which means they arent funded well, which in turn means no money for my internship.

then their is atlanta for the summer, imo many may not think so, but it looks to be a design hub for a lot of companies.
I have done one internship, but that lady who is in the rolls royce owners club, is crazy and is trying to take on both bentley and rolls royce on trademark agreements who both have billions at their disposal, and she has at best with her boyfriend about 100 million, so technically that didnt count.

[bigwapitijohnny]

Blake,

Let me get this straight...you are complaining about the 'cost' of higher education, yet you have managed to convert your rig from 2WD to 4WD, you are getting a new custom rear bumper, you put on new 35's, you are planning SAS :headscratch:. There is a definite difference between good debt and bad debt...it is up to you to decide. By the way, I just wrote a mid 5 figure check to pay off school loans and not mod my runner...

Regards,

BWJ

[Lee]

im gonna go ahead and guess its not his money he's complaining about.

[neliconcept]

Blake,

Let me get this straight...you are complaining about the 'cost' of higher education, yet you have managed to convert your rig from 2WD to 4WD, you are getting a new custom rear bumper, you put on new 35's, you are planning SAS :headscratch:. There is a definite difference between good debt and bad debt...it is up to you to decide. By the way, I just wrote a mid 5 figure check to pay off school loans and not mod my runner...

Regards,

BWJ


seriously I dont even know what to say to that. My parents established a college fund for me of about 200k, that money is for college only.

what money i make for my mods is my business.

[Seanz0rz]

200k? my college fund consisted of 3500 bucks that was living in a trust fund setup after our near fatal accident when i was about 2.5 years old. on top of that, my parents handed me 300 bucks to pay for books. everything else is loans and money i have made working and selling what i can. ive managed to work mods in there too since its my only hobby, etc. and its my only source of income.

i know i will have to work off this money in the future. still doesn't keep me from working. i am prepared to fail 6 units this quarter. will i quit, NO. never. ill just retake it next quarter.

[neliconcept]

ehh i think im done here.

i know what most are thinking, im a spoiled rich kid who doesnt know the value of a dollar.

peace

[bigwapitijohnny]

I did it all on my own. My father asked me if he could pay for my education, and I told him no. It was my education, my loans and my career. I can't tell you how gratifying it is to pay off the debt that I have incurred. I meant no offense and I apologize. You are right, what you do with your money is your business. I know that my son will be in your shoes someday, not having to worry about College tuition and all. Consider yourself very fortunate to be in the position that you are in. I would imagine that many guys would give their right arm to be in your shoes...Now do you parents proud, reward them for their foresight and sacrifice. GET THE DEGREE...Remember, the quicker you start the quicker you will finish...:thumbup:

Regards,

BWJ

[Good Times]

Blake, three things I want to say:

1. whatever you do make sure you get your degree. this should be non-negotiable. Yes I can sit on both sides of the fence and debate on the validity of having one or not and the usefulness of having one but the bottom line is make sure you do. Having a degree is more than just stating everyone that you've got a degree. It changes the way you think. I'll explain more on #3.

2. don't let the cost of the education or how quickly you can graduate be the factor in which one you want. go to the BEST school for your field period. if you're trying to cut corners and finish quickly then you're looking at it all wrong. yeah there may be working pros that don't ever finish school but those are "RARE" individuals and you really don't want to cut yourself short thinking that you're the best and can make it out in the real world. Life is cruel and having a degree can open other doors that does not just with your portfolio. Going to the best school and finishing there will open even more doors so look at it as a way to network and build new relationships. Find the right school and go there. the cost of education will pay for itself once you get out and finish and use your degree to land a premium job at a great firm. doesn't matter if it's 30k or 100k cuz it's not about the $$. it's about what you learn in school and how your school of choice opens doors. That's the bottom line.

3. Probably the most important part of getting a higher education degree... Whether you use it or not is important. It's not a bragging tool to say that you've got a degree or even to show off to your potential employers that you've got a degree. Going to pursue your higher education does more than teach you how to stay between the lines and follow rules. Something that I didn't notice anyone bring up is that by going to a college/university, you learn how to think differently. You're probably thinking wtf am I talkin about right? welp I really don't know how to explain but it truly is a life changing experience where it really molds how you behave and think. I don't know how many times I've sat in discussions where I can tell quickly if one is educated or not from the way they behave, think and comprehend. The thinking process is completely different from one that is only educated in grade school vs college/university status. I'm not saying that these individuals with only limited education are dumb but it really does make a big difference on how the discussion flows. The discussion will flow somehow but it'll have a lot of bumps along the way. Hope this makes sense cuz I'm not sure how else to explain it.

I hope you don't take any of this the wrong way in any shape or form. I'm just giving you some personal insight and I hope that you really do take in what I said because it only benefits you more considering you're pondering what to do next.

Good luck

[bigwapitijohnny]

I believe it is called 'critical thinking'... :smokin:

[localmotion]

Ok, I am coming in pretty late in the game but this thread is ridiculous!!! Hopping college to college to find some place that will let you "double load" or whatever you called it is simply asinine. Stating you are a "god" and a "master" at photography is a bit arrogant. But then again, who am I to judge your photos, personally I think the ones you posted are...well I wont get into that.

College isn't all about being smart and studious. Its about being able to take on responsibility and show that you can work under pressure and be dedicated. Dont get me wrong, college isn't for everyone and I know plenty of people who are doing just fine without it.

Nowadays, college is a prereq. to even handing in applications...I guess it shows commitment and dedication. If you are such a god that you say you are at photography, you dont need college, right? Shouldn't you be shooting for big time magazines and should we be seeing your photos everywhere?

If you think you can make money on your own doing photography, save your parents the money and go out and get a job in the field without the degree, afterall, if you are THAT good, places will hire you.

I majored in International Management and plan on attending grad school for my HR degree. I am pretty sure that I will not use either degree, but it is a goal in life that I would like to accomplish. I am just a dumb cop who is wasting tax dollars on higher education, but know if I ever decide to get out of LE and into the business world, I have a back up plan.

Its pretty late and I am not sure what I am talking about anymore so I'll leave it at that. It is what it is.

[fustercluck]

Your mom goes to college...





















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[DHC6twinotter]

I think different people have different goals. Some folks want a degree because it was a lifelong goal, and some want a degree to follow a certain field. Some folks want to complete school as soon as possible, and some folks want to work their way through. Different strokes for different folks.

Personally, a college education was something that I have wanted since I was pretty young. I also wanted to do it debt free, without loans. I started taking night classes at the local community college during my junior year of high school. The local community college offered what was called a duel-enrollment program. Any high school student could take college level classes, and pay $10 a semester. By the time I graduated high school, I had an AutoCad certificate, and had taken several gen-ed classes. At the time, I wanted to go into architecture, but because of money, I could only consider going to a college that was in state. After my high school graduation, I spent four years trying to get into architecture. During that four year period, I went to community college full-time for two years, after which I spent 2 years working full-time and taking night classes. After trying to get into architecture for four years, I finally decided to go into Mechanical engineering. I was accepted into engineering, and after 3 semesters, had to switch majors due to un-impressive grades. Math was not for me. I switched to a geography degree, and 3 semesters later, I'm one class away from a Geography degree with a concentration in GIS.

Switching schools and transferring classes all the time has made class registration a major pain. Before each semester at community college, I would spend hours and hours cross-referencing classes and making sure they would transfer. It paid off though, and I was able to transfer in 58 of my 64 hours taken at community college. Sure, it has taken me 9 years, but I'm close to a degree and have been able to do so with no loans. Now, whether or not I get a job in the GIS field is something I'm still exploring, but I have nearly accomplished one of my lifelong goals. :hillbill: I do know it will help me move up in whatever career I choose. And even though it took me so long, I have no regrets for any of the time I've had in school. I've taken every class, whether it counted towards my final degree or not, as a great learning experience. During my time in college, I've been blessed and able to see and do things that many folks may never get to.

Why am I telling you all this? I dunno. Hopefully it can be a source of encouragement. I say just set yourself a goal, and do whatever you can to accomplish that, regardless of how long it takes. It'll be worth it in the long run.

I guess I'll just wrap it up with one bit of advice: Always get a second opinion! I've had many, many times through my college life that I've been told one thing, only to be told something completely different later. If something doesn't sound right, it probably isn't That's the big thing I've learned about colleges.

Hopefully this doesn't come across as being harsh, but if a lack of funds is an issue, maybe any further mods to the 4Runner should stay on hold till you graduate. Your rig is already awesome as is. :thumbup: I know many of my plans for my 4Runner have had to be placed on hold till I graduate and land a descent job. It's not something I wanted to do, but it was something I had to do.

Well, that´s my opinion, as jumbled up as it probably sounds. :D

[waskillywabbit]

ATTITUDE not APTITUDE determines ALTITUDE.

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