Presidential Debate #1

[Good Times]

And the debate is off with a lot of this... :argue:

[Good Times]

Here's what I got out of all of this (generalizing big time).

Do you want your president to have experience and lead or have good judgment and lead.

I will note that I was surprised Obama didn't have a come back for all of the "Naive" comments McCain was making. McCain must have said "Naive" like a good half a dozen times! O and did you hear McCain's last comment about Obama being too stiff? (a very clever low bow to link him to the Bush admin - I think) kinda funny actually.

Flame on!

[calrockx]

I didn't see a clear cut winner tonight, but do think Obama stayed more on track with addressing the questions than attacking the opponent. Obama's problem was agreeing too often with McCain on points. While that may be the case and shows reverence, that's not the best strategy to win over independents in a debate.

In image tho, Obama seemed cooler and calmer, so that translates to more presidential to many. In these debates, image can trump substance to some folks. Thankfully, I think Obama held his own nicely in a topic that is supposed to be McCain's strength.

McCain needed a big win, he didn't get that. Obama needed to perform competitively, I think he did that.

I watched the debate in a bar here in San Francisco tonight. Obviously the crowd was way pro-Obama, so that was fun hearing them cheer on Obama and laugh at McCain, but yeah...that's what I got out of tonight.

I look forward to the smackdown that will be the VP debate.

[slosurfer]

I look forward to the smackdown that will be the VP debate.


Unfortunately I missed the debate tonight so I'll have to watch it online.

The vp one should be interesting to see what kind of stuff Biden comes up with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glrnb_G34E4

[calrockx]

Oh I know Biden will gaffe it up, but he'll still own Palin.
Did you see Palin's interview with Gibson, and especially Couric? That's just painful (and scary) to watch.

[neliconcept]

Oh I know Biden will gaffe it up, but he'll still own Palin.
Did you see Palin's interview with Gibson, and especially Couric? That's just painful (and scary) to watch.


im not republican or anything, but biden is a freakin moron, he cant own his way out of a pile of shit

[slosurfer]

I saw part of one (not sure who it was with), but yeah between the two of them it should be really interesting to watch. :laugh:

Palin doesn't scare me nearly as much as the gov't getting more socialistic. It's bad enough as it is.

[calrockx]

Brilliant analysis, Blake :roll:

You guys sure like to throw around socialism like it's the boogeyman without really looking at the the big picture. Yet some socialism of sorts needs to bail out the economy. And no, I'm not calling myself a "socialist."

As far as veeps....
Dude, the thought of Palin being president is scary. McCain is pretty effin old to be prez, has a history of skin cancer, it's not far fetched to think the presidency could go to Palin if he's elected.

Once the conversation goes past her talking points, she's lost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM72M62jAUc - about McCain on deregulation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpmC9GXa-I - being close to Russia = foreign policy experience

Biden puts his foot in his mouth a lot, but he isn't in over his head.

[RunnerUp]

ok... what i got out of the debate tonight was the following...

obama is making the economy his big thing now, and obviously performed better on that section than mccain did. the problem i see with this is that democrats generally want a larger government, something that will cost us, the taxpayers, more money. even though i dont currently make over 250k a year, i still dont agree with taxing the "wealthy" more than the rest of us.

mccain is and has always been for the defense and safety of america, i def. liked his fixed cost budget for the defense budget though, as we all know how out of control that is. i believe that there are plenty of reforms that need to happen in all levels of government, esp. when it comes to the taxpayers dollars and what its going towards.

i for one did not see a clear winner tonight, and hope the next debates will show a clearer view.

oh, one thing i DID notice, was obama seems to like to interject a lot, which i am almost sure was an attempt to get mccain pissed so he would show his famous temper off, and it was kinda funny to see.

on a side note about mccains health... please read this article about the candidates health before you form an opinion that either one is not going to live atleast 4 more years

obama is a current/recently quit smoker, and his family does have a history of cancer as well. and although mccain was a smoker, he has been smoke free for atleast 10years now, and he obviously has had cancer.

check out this link and decide for yourself if mccains health is really all that much of a concern here. and if you dont like my source, im sure you can find the same thing over on cnn or msnbc.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,428168,00.html

[expatoz]

Well not much difference between them tonight in my opinion. More disagreement about who said what than anything else. I think O. came off better overall. McCain had a real problem with smiling, it looks so animated and he looked uncomfortable. I hope the next debate is a little more divisive.

[neliconcept]

Brilliant analysis, Blake :roll:

You guys sure like to throw around socialism like it's the boogeyman without really looking at the the big picture. Yet some socialism of sorts needs to bail out the economy. And no, I'm not calling myself a "socialist."

As far as veeps....
Dude, the thought of Palin being president is scary. McCain is pretty effin old to be prez, has a history of skin cancer, it's not far fetched to think the presidency could go to Palin if he's elected.

Once the conversation goes past her talking points, she's lost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM72M62jAUc - about McCain on deregulation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpmC9GXa-I - being close to Russia = foreign policy experience

Biden puts his foot in his mouth a lot, but he isn't in over his head.





was that an analysis? did i somehow put that i was making an analysis? get over yourself Charles,

want an analysis? Obama is pushing for change, yet he agreed about 60-70% of the time with Mccain in the damn debate, thats my analysis for someone who cant show up

[fustercluck]

Well If O'bama gets it, all we'll be able to hope for a little change...






http://www.wkrg.com/media/news/cache/06-20-2008_pennies-300x225.jpg


....ooooo, look how shiney!

[oly884]

I feel they both did a pretty good job expressing their views.

[corax]

As far as veeps....
Dude, the thought of Palin being president is scary.

Speaking of the troops in Iraq, Palin says, "Pray for our military men and women who are striving do to what is right. Also for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for -- that there is a plan, and that plan is God's plan."

Palin also asked her audience to pray for a $30 billion natural gas pipeline she is on a mission to build in Alaska. Palin says, "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas pipeline built. So pray for that ... I can do my job there in developing my natural resources. But all of that doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart is not good with God."

The more I read about her, the more I start to draw parallels between her and Quayle

[Bob98SR5]

As far as veeps....
Dude, the thought of Palin being president is scary.

Speaking of the troops in Iraq, Palin says, "Pray for our military men and women who are striving do to what is right. Also for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for -- that there is a plan, and that plan is God's plan."

Palin also asked her audience to pray for a $30 billion natural gas pipeline she is on a mission to build in Alaska. Palin says, "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas pipeline built. So pray for that ... I can do my job there in developing my natural resources. But all of that doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart is not good with God."

The more I read about her, the more I start to draw parallels between her and Quayle


Corax,

Is it her belief in a God bother you? Or is that she prays for things that you think are not attainable through prayer? I pray for a lot of things and I have a lot of friends who pray for things, so does that make you scared of me? If no, if i were in a leadership position, would that make you less or more afraid of me if I prayed (for example), the financial health of my company and my employees? This is an honest question, I'm not trying to paint you as a religion hater or anything like that.

On another note, she can believe what she wants, pray about what she wants, but she needs to recognize that all people are not Christians in this country---that's where she should recognize that its not smart politics. When you wear your beliefs on your sleeves, you will be criticized from the other side of the fringe and the liberal media LOVES this kind of thing. Sure, they have no problem with Obama not saluting the flag or his wife saying that this is the first time she's been proud to be an American, but a conservative who espouses his/her religious beliefs, wow, thats truly news fodder.

[calrockx]

Corax, if your thoughts are anything like mine, it's that I think religion should be completely private. I don't like seeing religion mixed with government at all. An agnostic leader is fine wtih me. A leader can pray to the Flying Spagetti Monster for all I care, as long as their leadership doesn't show it or let it interfere with performing duties. I realize our laws and system are based in Judeo-Christian principles, but still.

Expressions like "God Bless America" bug me. If you're gonna get God on a blessing spree, at least ask him to bless the entire world.

[fustercluck]

I'm not bothered by someone's declaration of religious belief since that is what defines their character and core principles. That is how I select the most appropriate candidate.

What does bother me is when Law Enforcement and the Judicial Prosecutors engage in applying political pressure and suppressing the free exchange of ideas...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIenDGSAdPA

How do Law Enforcement and the Prosecutors office say "wait a minute" and "here's the truth"? What methods do they apply on the public everyday? How can that not be intimidation by association? What's next, The Fairness Doctrine (euphamistically titled)?

I'll take God Bless America any day over a freedom snatching police state.

[fustercluck]

Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaignç—´ Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement


JEFFERSON CITY - Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.


鉄t. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.


展hat Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.


å…¸his abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jeffersonç—´ thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.


釘arack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.


http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXqGMaj&style=Default+News+Style&tmpl=newsitem



The question is are we unconflicted enought to choose the right?

[oly884]

Fuster, Fuster, Fuster....


Remember, it's Obama. Therefore, it's OK.

He's only 'silencing' 'lies'

There's no chance he'd ever 'silence' facts or people that simply disagree with him...

:roll:

Change is coming alright...

However, not all change is good.

[corax]

As far as veeps....
Dude, the thought of Palin being president is scary.

Speaking of the troops in Iraq, Palin says, "Pray for our military men and women who are striving do to what is right. Also for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for -- that there is a plan, and that plan is God's plan."

Palin also asked her audience to pray for a $30 billion natural gas pipeline she is on a mission to build in Alaska. Palin says, "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas pipeline built. So pray for that ... I can do my job there in developing my natural resources. But all of that doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart is not good with God."

The more I read about her, the more I start to draw parallels between her and Quayle


Corax,

Is it her belief in a God bother you? Or is that she prays for things that you think are not attainable through prayer? I pray for a lot of things and I have a lot of friends who pray for things, so does that make you scared of me? If no, if i were in a leadership position, would that make you less or more afraid of me if I prayed (for example), the financial health of my company and my employees? This is an honest question, I'm not trying to paint you as a religion hater or anything like that.

On another note, she can believe what she wants, pray about what she wants, but she needs to recognize that all people are not Christians in this country---that's where she should recognize that its not smart politics. When you wear your beliefs on your sleeves, you will be criticized from the other side of the fringe and the liberal media LOVES this kind of thing. Sure, they have no problem with Obama not saluting the flag or his wife saying that this is the first time she's been proud to be an American, but a conservative who espouses his/her religious beliefs, wow, thats truly news fodder.


Calrockx boiled it down nicely. I'm not anti-religion. Prayer can be useful and that doesn't bother me either. Religion doesn't need to be hidden from public view, but it should be kept out of politics. For example, saying we are sending the troops to Iraq on a "task that is from God" is just wrong. Her use of "God's will" and "God's plan" in reference to political or business ventures is also disturbing to me. If a venture succeeds or fails, it's not God's will, it is usually the result of the level of work and planning put into it - so it sounds like a cop-out to me, God's will has nothing to do with getting a gas pipeline built.

[04 Rocko Taco]

Calrockx boiled it down nicely. I'm not anti-religion. Prayer can be useful and that doesn't bother me either. Religion doesn't need to be hidden from public view, but it should be kept out of politics. For example, saying we are sending the troops to Iraq on a "task that is from God" is just wrong. Her use of "God's will" and "God's plan" in reference to political or business ventures is also disturbing to me. If a venture succeeds or fails, it's not God's will, it is usually the result of the level of work and planning put into it - so it sounds like a cop-out to me, God's will has nothing to do with getting a gas pipeline built.


Wow, I have so much to say to that.... but I won't. If you ever want to discuss or even hear any of my points on your thoughts of Gods Will, then shoot me a PM, but I'll leave them out of the public forum.

[paddlenbike]

Corax, if your thoughts are anything like mine, it's that I think religion should be completely private. I don't like seeing religion mixed with government at all. An agnostic leader is fine wtih me. A leader can pray to the Flying Spagetti Monster for all I care, as long as their leadership doesn't show it or let it interfere with performing duties. I realize our laws and system are based in Judeo-Christian principles, but still.

Expressions like "God Bless America" bug me. If you're gonna get God on a blessing spree, at least ask him to bless the entire world.


I could not have said it better myself.