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[Good Times]

You couldn't get a job at McDonald's and become district manager after 143 days of experience.

You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.

You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.

You couldn't join the military and become a Colonel after 143 days of experience.

You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

BUT....???

From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World .... 143 days.

We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.

AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public is okay with this and campaigning for him. We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America?

Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol!

[slosurfer]

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[04 Rocko Taco]

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I like it Lance. Very nice!

[Ric]

:clap: very very true.... i look at it this way. If you needed a magor surgery, would you want a surgen ONLY 143 days out of school ??? :headscratch: or would you want someone with EXPERIANCE ??

[Tankota]

143 day eh. He's an old hand at politics by then :loser:

[corax]

Good point, but my main beef with McCain/Palin is that if McCain were to die . . . do I really need to go on? She's such a twit. Again, it comes down to the lesser of two evils. If I had my druthers I'd vote for Jesse Ventura :tongueout: or more likely Kucinich . . . but the american public is more likely to vote for novelty or along some misguided race lines . . . I'll stop here, before it goes off into an incomprehensible rant

[Bob98SR5]

corax,

im against both palin and obama for the same reason = inexperience. i am always amazed by people who are very articulate, almost to the point of jealousy. combine that with the ability to sell, well that can be a great or dangerous quality. i am always wary of great talkers because they often fail to meet their lofty promises. past companies i've worked for, those that gabbed the most were the worst in terms of management and always relied on their ability to talk their way out of a situation rather than address and fix it.

Re McCain, if the guy were on crutches and wheeled around, I'd have an issue. But homeboy survived the worst NVA prison camp for 7 years. I dont know if you know this, but he was savagely beaten to the point where his arms and extremities (fingers, mostly) have calcified beyond belief. which is one of the main reasons why he doesn't type---which is one of the reasons why he did not use computers, despite being named one of Fortune magazines "top politician technocrats" in 2001.

that said, it looks like obama will be the victor. if indeed that is the case, i will be prepared to be underwhelmed but still hope for the best.

to add to this, if it were Biden / Obama, i'd feel more comfy with voting with them. Probably would b/c Palin is not my cup of tea. Biden would take us through 4 more years of tough international/foreing policy issues while Obama learned the ropes and get more experience under his belt. that would be ideal for the country

[MTL_4runner]

The sad part is that I bet if McCain had chosen a better running mate he probably would have won this election.......and I probably would have voted for him too because he's a moderate. He really did sink his own ship bringing that bozo in as his VP.

[fustercluck]

The way I see it the experience thing is secondary to the ideology thing. I'd rather have an inexperience Captialist who embraces and promotes self suffiency and responsibilty than an experienced Socialist that endorses and imposes dependency and envy.

[neliconcept]

corax,

im against both palin and obama for the same reason = inexperience. i am always amazed by people who are very articulate, almost to the point of jealousy. combine that with the ability to sell, well that can be a great or dangerous quality. i am always wary of great talkers because they often fail to meet their lofty promises. past companies i've worked for, those that gabbed the most were the worst in terms of management and always relied on their ability to talk their way out of a situation rather than address and fix it.

Re McCain, if the guy were on crutches and wheeled around, I'd have an issue. But homeboy survived the worst NVA prison camp for 7 years. I dont know if you know this, but he was savagely beaten to the point where his arms and extremities (fingers, mostly) have calcified beyond belief. which is one of the main reasons why he doesn't type---which is one of the reasons why he did not use computers, despite being named one of Fortune magazines "top politician technocrats" in 2001.

that said, it looks like obama will be the victor. if indeed that is the case, i will be prepared to be underwhelmed but still hope for the best.

to add to this, if it were Biden / Obama, i'd feel more comfy with voting with them. Probably would b/c Palin is not my cup of tea. Biden would take us through 4 more years of tough international/foreing policy issues while Obama learned the ropes and get more experience under his belt. that would be ideal for the country


yet biden will probably have my dad out of a job, hes against nuclear power, realllly against it.

[Bob98SR5]

neli,

but obama belatedly (b/c mccain was gaining points with it) wants it as part of his energy policy and Biden will be vice pres, so i doubt your dad nor the entire nuclear power industry will shut down. practically speaking, what would replace it?

bob

[oly884]

neli,

but obama belatedly (b/c mccain was gaining points with it) wants it as part of his energy policy and Biden will be vice pres, so i doubt your dad nor the entire nuclear power industry will shut down. practically speaking, what would replace it?

bob



Bob, I have to wonder if he will stick to that though. As with any politician, they say things that the crowd they are in front of will cheer. I'll even say things to simply avoid confrontation/arguments. Call it, "choosing your battles wisely"

However, what is important is to go back and look at Obama/Biden's voting record on nuclear power and then make a choice. The quick search I just did did not come up with much. Most of it was recent quotes and with being this close to the election, I would not trust what any politician is saying.

Remember, actions speak louder than words.

Vote for someone by what they have done, not what they are promising to do (or change)

[fustercluck]

Vote for someone by what they have done, not what they are promising to do (or change)


Words of timeless wisdom...

[Bob98SR5]

neli,

but obama belatedly (b/c mccain was gaining points with it) wants it as part of his energy policy and Biden will be vice pres, so i doubt your dad nor the entire nuclear power industry will shut down. practically speaking, what would replace it?

bob



Bob, I have to wonder if he will stick to that though. As with any politician, they say things that the crowd they are in front of will cheer. I'll even say things to simply avoid confrontation/arguments. Call it, "choosing your battles wisely"

However, what is important is to go back and look at Obama/Biden's voting record on nuclear power and then make a choice. The quick search I just did did not come up with much. Most of it was recent quotes and with being this close to the election, I would not trust what any politician is saying.

Remember, actions speak louder than words.

Vote for someone by what they have done, not what they are promising to do (or change)


I dont have much faith too that they will pursue it either because it goes against what Democrats have voted for (or against, in this case) in terms of nuke power. but when the inevitable is at your doorstep, you have to hope for the best.

[Robinhood4x4]

I don't agree with everything Palin has to say (religion and abortion), but I do like most of what she stands for.

They say that the best people who would be president, are the people who don't want to be president. People also say they don't want politicians to run the country. Well, Palin isn't a politician and I really like that aspect of her. I say give her 4 years as VP and I'll vote for her for president 2012. After all, Reagan was an actor, not a politician.

[04 Rocko Taco]

Good posting Steve. I too, don't agree with everything Palin and McCain say, or even stand for, but I like even less of the other sides policies. I would say that I am mostly in favor of the things McCain and Palin stand for (epseically religion and abortion). I think with a little experience under her belt, she could make a serious run at the office herself.

[fustercluck]

I don't agree with everything Palin has to say (religion and abortion), but I do like most of what she stands for.

They say that the best people who would be president, are the people who don't want to be president. People also say they don't want politicians to run the country. Well, Palin isn't a politician and I really like that aspect of her. I say give her 4 years as VP and I'll vote for her for president 2012. After all, Reagan was an actor, not a politician.


It might be useful for everyone to read up on FDR's career pre-political office. He was nominated for VP without ever holding an executive position. In fact, he was nominated from a position as under secretary of the Navy. I don't think anyone will dispute he rose to the occasion...even though he was confined to a wheelchair. I think at some point the experience can only take one so far; and then he/she must rely on fortitude and correct ideological principles.

I think for all of Obama's gloss and suave, he has poor character and atrocious ideology....the same ideology that eventually cost 100,000,000 people their lives in the 19th and 20th centuries. Though his ideology is just a nascent iteration of that which destroyed hundreds of millions of innocent lives, every sociologist worth his weight understands that Socialism is a transition to Communism. If we accept a full frontal Socialist now, we will find ourselves dependent and complicit in our own demise as well as that of our childrens' and theirs.

This country was founded and successful as a self sufficiency captalist economy. It has only stumbled when Socialist principles have been parasitically shackled to it. This latest tumble is a direct result of Socialists, social engineers, dependents and those convinced that a little Socialism is benign, yoking captialism with Socialist egalitarianism and concealing it long enough for the amagamation to metastasize.

In some cases you can fight fire with fire. This is not one of those cases. The politcal Left promises more Socialism to remedy this economy. History shows that this prescription is not medicine, it is poison and once we head down the road to Socialism there is no bloodless way back historically. Mark my words. If you have not been taught the principles of freedom, learn them. They are: Individual liberty requires personal accountability, a moral code, self sufficiency and the will to protect them from those who are not so convinced of their value. In this life, strength comes through adversity. To have a strong community, there must first be a strong individual joined together with a strong family guided by strong faith and humility. Without humility, there can be nothing learned. Where ther is nothing learned, there is no progress. Where there is no progress, society festers and falls into decline. When society falls into deline personal freedom erodes. These are som of the many time tested irrefutable principles of freedom. There are others, but I'm sleepy.

[04 Rocko Taco]

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

~Thomas Paine

[MTL_4runner]

I still find it amusing that despite having created several screwups of monumental porportions that somehow the republicans can do no wrong and that the "left" is then always at fault. I simply don't buy that any more than the average American in the polls does at this point. There is not a snowball's chance that Palin would rival either Reagan or FDR and to even make that comparison is as completely absurd as it is outrageous. I could go on considerably but due to time constraints I'll hold off.

[calrockx]

I still find it amusing that despite having created several screwups of monumental porportions that somehow the republicans can do no wrong and that the "left" is then always at fault. I simply don't buy that any more than the average American in the polls does at this point. There is not a snowball's chance that Palin would rival either Reagan or FDR and to even make that comparison is as completely absurd as it is outrageous. I could go on considerably but due to time constraints I'll hold off.


good post.

[fustercluck]

I still find it amusing that despite having created several screwups of monumental porportions that somehow the republicans can do no wrong and that the "left" is then always at fault. I simply don't buy that any more than the average American in the polls does at this point. There is not a snowball's chance that Palin would rival either Reagan or FDR and to even make that comparison is as completely absurd as it is outrageous. I could go on considerably but due to time constraints I'll hold off.


Hmmm. Well, if guilt by association is fair play again, then I prefer the associations of John McCain who share a free market ideology rather than the cheaters, racists, terrorists, liars, Socialists, Communists, frauds and all around anti-capitalists that seem to orbit Senator Obama.

But since guilt by association is only a strawman argument designed to make nebulous the real issue, I generally try to avoid pinning that tail on the Donkey. The really interesting question is whether Senator Obama is a Socialist or a Capitalist. If he is a Socialist, then his policies will destroy our society and economy one individual at a time. If he promotes a fusion of the two with 'the right people in power' to emulsify the mutually exclusive ideologies, then his failure will not be apparent for years, but is sure to surface as this latest economic correction has displayed the parasitic nature of socially engineering the lending sector of the economy. If he is a Capitalist, then he needs to research what that means and abandon the Robin Hood hero syndrome before he implodes more than just the banking sector of our free market.

I think he is a Socialist. His actions and words declare it with pride and ignorant hubris. He has been misguided by his mentors and associates. He has poisoned his mind with ideologies which remove from the individual his self suffiency and self worth. I cannot vote for a man like that. Even if John McCain blew a booger on his shirt and unwittingly paraded it for all to admire during the debates, I could still not vote for a Socialist (Obama).

[oly884]

I still find it amusing that despite having created several screwups of monumental porportions that somehow the republicans can do no wrong and that the "left" is then always at fault. I simply don't buy that any more than the average American in the polls does at this point.

Let's be honest, that argument is just as valid when the sides are flipped. Both parties have screwed us equally, granted, by different means. The dems are NO better than the repub's, is the housing problem not due, in part, to the democrats and left wing groups pushing for people who should NEVER have received financial support to actually get that support? What about the talk in the democratic party about bringing back a new "fairness doctrine"? Would that not destroy free speech, and pose a serious threat to everyone's freedom of speech?

Please don't take this as defending the republicans, they have a list of issues I can go through but lack the time.

[MTL_4runner]

Kevin, c'mon now. Just because a society has some aspects of socialism doesn't mean it equals anti-capitalism, you know better than that and it's not even close to that black and white. Communism (the extremist form of socialism) and pure capitalism cannot co-exist but there are a vast number of examples of countries with capitalist market systems and various levels of socialism in their societies which function just fine (perfect, no, but perfectly liveable, yes). Canada certainly has some socialist tendencies yet I don't hear people clamoring about going out and buying guns (and yes you can buy firearms in Canada) because the liberals (or even worse the NDP) might get elected, we'll lose all our freedoms and suddenly turn into a dictatorship. Clearly capitalism in its rawest form has some major flaws as well (ie human nature) which conflict with our expectations for stability in a modern society. I am advocating nothing more or less than a balance between capitalist markets and social programs and yes, it is achievable. I don't know what more to say on comparing Obama to terrorists, communists, frauds and all around anti-capitalists other than it's like recreating a McCarthy style witch hunt. I would have hoped for a little more progress after 50 years.

David, I totally agree with you.....both sides own this current financial mess.

[fustercluck]

Kevin, c'mon now. Just because a society has some aspects of socialism doesn't mean it equals anti-capitalism, you know better than that and it's not even close to that black and white. Communism (the extremist form of socialism) and capitalism cannot co-exist but there are a vast number of examples of countries with capitalist market systems and various levels of socialism in their societies which function just fine. Canada certainly has socialist tendencies yet I don't hear people clamoring about going out and buying guns (and yes you can buy firearms in Canada) because the liberals might get elected, we'll lose all our freedoms and suddenly turn into a dictatorship. Clearly capitalism in its rawest form has some major flaws as well (ie human nature) which conflict with our expectations for a modern society. Comparing Obama to terrorists, communists, frauds and all around anti-capitalists is like recreating a McCarthy style witch hunt. I would have hoped for a little more progress after 50 years.

David, I totally agree with you.....both sides own this current financial mess.


Cogent response immanent. Watching the debate...

[Robinhood4x4]

I still find it amusing that despite having created several screwups of monumental porportions that somehow the republicans can do no wrong and that the "left" is then always at fault.


It's the person, not the party. I don't care if a person is a democrat, a republican or an independent, I vote according to who holds the same opinions as I do. McCain is not Bush, nor is the republican party composed of Bush clones. McCain is not guilty by association.

[wifesaysimadumbass]

http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a1069/a1069_bm.gif
this should piss you off or maybe not :asshat:

[Seanz0rz]

i like obama more than mcain. that however is not saying much.


sadly, i think he actually might be the antichrist... loved by most until the world ends... crap.

[wifesaysimadumbass]

hold on you heard Obama"s now famous comment about "spread the wealth" who in the hell gave him better insight to do with my money than i do. why can government never do with less?

[fustercluck]

Kevin, c'mon now. Just because a society has some aspects of socialism doesn't mean it equals anti-capitalism, you know better than that and it's not even close to that black and white. Communism (the extremist form of socialism) and capitalism cannot co-exist but there are a vast number of examples of countries with capitalist market systems and various levels of socialism in their societies which function just fine. Canada certainly has socialist tendencies yet I don't hear people clamoring about going out and buying guns (and yes you can buy firearms in Canada) because the liberals might get elected, we'll lose all our freedoms and suddenly turn into a dictatorship. Clearly capitalism in its rawest form has some major flaws as well (ie human nature) which conflict with our expectations for a modern society. Comparing Obama to terrorists, communists, frauds and all around anti-capitalists is like recreating a McCarthy style witch hunt. I would have hoped for a little more progress after 50 years.

David, I totally agree with you.....both sides own this current financial mess.


Cogent response immanent. Watching the debate...


Dang, I forgot about this thread. Now I don't remember what I was going to say....

[Small_words]

I don't trust that Palin has the intellectual depth to match her common sense approach. Biden is the consumate politican...blowhard, vain, and lacking any recognition of his mistakes. Obama is egocentric and would cozy up to a snake in order to succeed. McCain is tempestuous.

We'll be stuck with Obama/Biden and I sincerely hope the Republicans use the next four years to lambast the Democrats in Congress and take advantage of what will be four years of economic doldrums in order to make the case for a sensible conservative. The Democrats are right about soft power, but miss the boat because soft power is trade and they are constantly erecting barriers to trade because they're beholden to unions. How have the Republicans missed this point? How have the Democrats? They both have us squabbling over how in touch they are with our problems, whether this person is going to ban birth control, or this one is going to take away your guns. Our country's policies move like the tortoise, not the hare. No President can PERMANENTLY screw up our country. If that was possible, we wouldn't have made it through the rampant corruption of the 19th century. Relax people and pay attention to local elections because they affect us far more than Washington's squabbles.

[Ric]

This was sent to me, its funny yet sad, very sad.
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/10/12/howard-stern-interviews-obama-supporters.php

[oly884]

This was sent to me, its funny yet sad, very sad.
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/10/12/howard-stern-interviews-obama-supporters.php


Remember, it's not a popularity contest....

And not to jump the gun, but go check out the front page of www.drudgereport.com

I hope it's not what I think it is...

[calrockx]

Ric, you want sad?

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-real-americans-scary.jpg

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-front-yard-confederate-flag-folksiness-sarah.jpg

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/political-pictures-barack-obama-half-breed-muslin-cloth.jpg

BOTH candidates have retarded supporters. Some may be scarier than others.

[Ric]

BOTH candidates have retarded supporters. Some may be scarier than others
so VERY true

[oly884]

This was sent to me, its funny yet sad, very sad.
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/10/12/howard-stern-interviews-obama-supporters.php


Remember, it's not a popularity contest....

And not to jump the gun, but go check out the front page of www.drudgereport.com

I hope it's not what I think it is...


As I said, I didn't want to jump the gun, and as it turns out, it wasn't what I was thinking it was, which is a very very good thing.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_595052.html

I was wondering why the B was backwards...

However, it shows how flipping crazy this election is becoming. I worry that we are at a point where this country is so divided, that bringing it together is not an easy task for any president. Furthermore, I don't see either as accomplishing this.

[calrockx]

Yeah, oly...
that story was weak, pretty transparent.
"oh no, the scary black man!"

backwards b? the guy commits robbery then stops to make a political statement? haha, so lame.

[oly884]

Yeah, oly...
that story was weak, pretty transparent.
"oh no, the scary black man!"

backwards b? the guy commits robbery then stops to make a political statement? haha, so lame.


It really makes you wonder what people are thinking. The sad part is that it's usually the lowest common denominator's of society that make the loudest statements.

Instead of focusing on the actual differences in ideology she has with Obama, this heffer decides to make up an attack and cut herself??? What the hell is wrong with people?

I worry that people like this, the Obama is Muslim people, the Hussein Obama people... it's all just dumb as hell and detracts from not only the important issues that need to be debated, but it also makes the rest of us look like we're all idiots and people stop taking people like me serious. I really hope this stupid heffer gets what's coming to her.

[Ric]

This is interesting http://colony14.net/id41.html and yes we did go wheeling :D

[breknraj]

I voted yesterday morning - now I REALLY get to be irritated by the campaigning and ads!

As I have had to do in a couple of other elections, I boiled it down to the 2nd ammendment issue. I find that those candidates that support the view that it is an individual right, and that we already have more than enough gun laws on the book, already, have far more in common with my view of how things should be, in general.

While Obama is certainly eloquent, friendly and charismatic, and I would have no problem in having a few drinks and a discussion with - his voting record on 2nd ammendment matters is abysmal, at best.

McCain has had a few notable slip ups, where the 2nd ammendment is concerned, but he is a damned site closer to my point of view on the subject than his competitor is.

My bottom line, here, is that if a politician has proven that he doesn't trust me to lawfully own firearms, then I have ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to trust them, period.

McCain got my vote.

[wifesaysimadumbass]

brekenraj i feel similar to the way you do. I feel its more a matter of upholding and defending the constitution. If you are not willing to defend all of it and not just the ones that serve your purpose, then i will not be giving you my basic constitutional right, my vote. Obama and most of his cronies would shred the constitution if they could.

[fustercluck]

Oly, you shouldn't insult heifers like that....:hillbill: