FBI Investigation of Veterans who oppose Obama?

[gabe]

Has anyone else heard anything about this?
I heard something, on talk radio, about how Obama initiated an investigation of Veterans of the war in Iraq who are involved in the tea party protests.
Is this true and what does everyone think about the investigation?

If it's true, I can't believe that we've reached the point that people with opposing views can be legally investigated. I can only see two reasons for the investigation... 1) Obama would want to discredit his opposition. 2) Obama would want to actually prosecute the veterans for some crime.
Either way it seems pretty messed up and unconstitutional from my perspective.

Thoughts?

[Bob98SR5]

If true, it would smack of hypocrisy. The Democrat party is after all the party of free...cough cough...speech.

Maybe if Obama actually produces his birth certificate would he have my semi-vote of confidence.

[Crinale]

that would be BS if its true... havent heard anything tho

[fustercluck]

I may Google it later out of curiosity. Wouldn't be surprised though. The Left cannot tolerate opposition since their ideals are so fragile...

[Small_words]

Woo hoo. I'd love to have a file all to myself at the FBI.

[calrockx]

If true, it would smack of hypocrisy. The Democrat party is after all the party of free...cough cough...speech.

Maybe if Obama actually produces his birth certificate would he have my semi-vote of confidence.


Do you think he wasn't born in the US?

[Seanz0rz]

like the FBI under Bush wasn't investigating people protesting the Afghanistan and Iraq wars (when it was not popular to do so)?

of course they are going to investigate, they see it as a threat to their power. it most certainly isnt right, but obama isnt the first to do this, nor will he be the last.

[04 Rocko Taco]

If true, it would smack of hypocrisy. The Democrat party is after all the party of free...cough cough...speech.

Maybe if Obama actually produces his birth certificate would he have my semi-vote of confidence.


Do you think he wasn't born in the US?


Well since he cant prove that he is a citzen and there is much speculation of his being born in Kenya, then to put those doubts at rest, just show us a birth certificate.... but nope, no can do.

I think I'm going to write a letter to Arnold Schwarzenager and tell him to hide his birth certificate as that is the only thing holding him back too. :)

[CJM]

He still has yet to prove he is a citizen. If he would just go "hey guys here it is" and show it then its no big deal, but since he wont Im willing to bet he has a skeleton in his closet.

Chris is right x100.

[Bob98SR5]

chuck,

i have my doubts. regardless, you can't just take back the presidency...or at least i dont think you can without some serious legal and social consequences. if you think the LA Riots were bad, imagine what would happen if a recall occurred. That said, why doesn't he just produce his birth certificate? I recall during the Bush/Kerry debates, the left/Democrats (as they always do) said how stupid Bush was, even back to his college days. So Bush's team produced his report card from Yale but hte Kerry camp did not. Why? Kerry got worse grades. Similarly, what is Obama trying to hide? If you asked anyone to prove they were US citizens, the birth certificate tells all.

[calrockx]

It's already been well established established that Obama is a US citizen. I was just asking Bob that cause I expect better out of him.

Anyway, silly conservative conspiracy theories aside, and a few political blunders, I'm very happy with Obama's job so far, and thankfully so is most of the country. Finally, some real progress. I know you guys love your guns and all that and are at the opposite end of the political spectrum, but oh well.

[Small_words]

Is Obama's mother a US citizen? If so, it doesn't matter where he was born.

[oly884]

It's already been well established established that Obama is a US citizen. I was just asking Bob that cause I expect better out of him.

Anyway, silly conservative conspiracy theories aside, and a few political blunders, I'm very happy with Obama's job so far, and thankfully so is most of the country. Finally, some real progress. I know you guys love your guns and all that and are at the opposite end of the political spectrum, but oh well.


Could you provide links showing that it is well established?

As to the rest of your post, you and I see things differently. As to the "oh well", well, I prefer to live in a country where we can negotiate and compromise instead of having one person/political view decide how I should live my life. Obama has the exact same lack of respect for the constitution that Bush had. If you don't think that is the case, then I'm sorry to say you are wrong my friend.

[CJM]

It's already been well established established that Obama is a US citizen. I was just asking Bob that cause I expect better out of him.


Where?? I didnt see him on national TV with his certificate holding in the air so far!

As for Obama, it isnt just about guns-look at his legislation, his political appointments and cabinet. Its called socialism, where the govt runs all and thats his push.

[Bob98SR5]

It's already been well established established that Obama is a US citizen. I was just asking Bob that cause I expect better out of him.

Anyway, silly conservative conspiracy theories aside, and a few political blunders, I'm very happy with Obama's job so far, and thankfully so is most of the country. Finally, some real progress. I know you guys love your guns and all that and are at the opposite end of the political spectrum, but oh well.


chuck,

i have not seen it either. i would think that as an avid news reader, i would have heard and/or seen it by now.

as i understand it, there is still one pending lawsuit out there calling for the release of his birth certificate. could be two.

bob

[DHC6twinotter]

I was under the impression that Obama had dual-citizenship (Kenya and US). However, his reluctance to show his birth certificate really is odd, and in my opinion, implies he is hiding something. I too would like him to show the certificate.

There's no way a republican would have gotten anywhere without showing proof of citizenship.

Just my $.02.

[Bob98SR5]

ah i read enough to be semi-convinced, and like others, the fact that he waited too long to produce it makes me remain a bit skeptical. that said, nothing will come of it.

[gabe]

Even if Obama was not a citizen before his presidency, I don't think he would have much trouble coming up with proof once he became president. I mean, it's not like he's the most powerful man in the world or anything!!! If he didn't produce a birth certificate before the elections then there is no point in asking any longer.

But, Anyways lets get back to my question, does anyone know if this is a legit story (about the investigation)?

[gabe]

like the FBI under Bush wasn't investigating people protesting the Afghanistan and Iraq wars (when it was not popular to do so)?

of course they are going to investigate, they see it as a threat to their power. it most certainly isnt right, but obama isnt the first to do this, nor will he be the last.


Was Bush investigating war protesters specifically, or is that just speculation?

Either way, if Bush investigated or not, it makes no difference, it still is unconstitutional. That's like when you were a kid and you got in trouble. You told your mom, "well my friends do it all the time". I don't know about you, but I was still getting in trouble, no matter how much my friends got away with.

[Seanz0rz]

i havent heard anything, but i dont find it unbelievable. i suppose if i was the govt, id be investigating anyone who went against me to see if there was a valid threat there, or just a bunch of morons buying tea to highlight wasteful spending... (i agree with the tea party idea, except we are suppose to dump THEIR tea into a harbor, not buy our own bags and ship them to DC)

i know someone investigated my family. after protesting the war, my entire family magically appeared on the aviation watch list. just one more reason i wont fly on a commercial airline... i cant think of a single other reason for being on that list. im middle class, white, not even a traffic ticket to my name, never been involved in any criminal activity of any kind that would ever warrant being on a watch list. and yet magically 6 months after i show up to a protest, im on the list. investigating is not illegal until they start censoring you, unlawful search and seizure, etc.

i dont mind, i have nothing to hide what so ever. it is a huge invasion of privacy, and most likely unconstitutional and hugely unethical. but since when has our government paid any attention to either the constitution or ethics?

my personal feeling is its probably true. dont believe anything that anyone tells you with out looking it up first, from as many sources as possible. then form your own opinion.

[fustercluck]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/1fustercluck/obama_birthcert.gif

[Small_words]

:lol: That's awesome Fuster!

Once again I ask whether there is a doubt whether Obama's mother was a US citizen? If so, it doesn't matter what he does, he is a US citizen.

[reggie 00]

:lol: That's awesome Fuster!

Once again I ask whether there is a doubt whether Obama's mother was a US citizen? If so, it doesn't matter what he does, he is a US citizen.


I thought she renounced her citizenship before he was born.

[Ric]

BORN IN THE USA?
Obama's 'birth certificate' not acceptable in Hawaii? :headscratch:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100451

[CJM]

Check this out: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100451


WASHINGTON – The Hawaiian certification
of live birth Barack Obama posted on his campaign website and distributed to select news organizations as proof he was a "natural born citizen" would not be accepted as a "birth certificate" even for some Hawaiian state government eligibility issues, WND has learned.......

[Small_words]

Now I'm confused. I have always been under the impression that to be a natural born citizen of the USA one had to either be born on US soil or have one parent be a US citizen. By this rule, Obama would be a natural born citizen because his Mother was born in the US. The fact that she later renounced her citizenship to marry her second husband doesn't matter because Obama was already born. Where am I wrong? I'm not being sarcastic I just want to know what I'm missing.

All this being said, nothing will change the fact that Obama is our sitting President and there is ZERO possibility of him being removed from office because he is popular and Rebuplicans are not. Therefore, no matter how reasoned the person is that makes this a significant national issue, he or she will be shouted down as a nutcase or bigot. So, the only rational response is to accept that he is President and address the policies that he is advocating on the merit of those policies.

[Ric]

Now I'm confused. I have always been under the impression that to be a natural born citizen of the USA one had to either be born on US soil or have one parent be a US citizen. By this rule, Obama would be a natural born citizen because his Mother was born in the US. The fact that she later renounced her citizenship to marry her second husband doesn't matter because Obama was already born. Where am I wrong? I'm not being sarcastic I just want to know what I'm missing.

All this being said, nothing will change the fact that Obama is our sitting President and there is ZERO possibility of him being removed from office because he is popular and Rebuplicans are not. Therefore, no matter how reasoned the person is that makes this a significant national issue, he or she will be shouted down as a nutcase or bigot. So, the only rational response is to accept that he is President and address the policies that he is advocating on the merit of those policies.

From my understanding, to be a "natural born" citizen, "you" have to born on US soil, or a US military base. lets say, Im a US citizen, I get married to a US citizen, we travel to Japan, were she has a child, is that child a US citezen ? or a Japan citizen ?
Also, when obamas mother renounced her US citizenship, that also INCLUDED obama as he was a minor child, so when his mother got her Kenyan citizenship, that also INCLUDED obama, meaning he is a citizen of Kenya.
If infact he was a US citizen, he would have no issues or problems providing the correct documents to the media.

[calrockx]

you conspiracy-theorists are an embarrassment.
obama is a american citizien.

[Ric]

I NEVER said it was a "conspiracy" I just seriously doubt his citizenship.. IF he was a "natural born" citizen, there would be NO issues of a birth cert. If I implided it was a conspiracy, Im sorry, that was not my intent.

BTW I seen a sticker yesterday that said: "OBrother, This change is going to hurt" I thought that was pretty funny.

[Bighead]

you conspiracy-theorists are an embarrassment.

Almost as bad as Obama Kool-aid drinkers...

I still want to know why he has not shown a birth certificate. It's not much different than showing tax records.

[Small_words]

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401Prev | Next § 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:
- source (TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401Prev | Next § 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birt)

U.S. Constitution
Article 2, clause 5: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
- source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution)

Obama's mother was a US citizen when he was born and as far as I know, she met the requirements stipulated above. That said, the above definition of citizenship is from the 2008 code and Obama's citizenship would be established by the law established when he was born but I don't think the above clause differs from that in place when he was born. So, by that ruling, he's a US citizen. It doesn't matter what his mother chose to do with her citizenship becaues Barack Obama's citizenship was established by the law in place at his time of birth and his parents' citizenship at his time of birth, regardless of what his parents' did afterward. I think the reason Obama never took this issue on during the election was because it would have made the question national and he probably didn't want to field any questions about it and figured that people would be labeled as nutcases for saying that a strong candidate for office isn't a US citizen. Also, on a quick search I didn't find a conclusive ruling on what EXACTLY the Constitution meant when that little clause was thrown in as it pertains to the President but the cases I could find through Cornell's online law library concluded what I mentioned above about citizenship being established by our citizenship laws at the person's time of birth. All this said, I think President Obama acted cowardly when he didn't take this issue straight on during the campaign and just let his critics be labeled as nutcases.

My purpose in stating all of the above is because I think that ALL arguments need to be soundly grounded in the facts and that one should never trust someone else's interpretation of our laws or rulings. Would any of us believe it when the loud guy at the PTA stated that a teacher couldn't be fired even if convicted of pedophelia? I think all of us would check into the local contracts because we are interested in protecting our children. Why don't we all address national issues the same way?

Calrockx, there are plenty of 'conspiracy' theories floating around. There are plenty of people in Portland that say the US blew up our towers as an excuse to go to war. Instead of insulting people by saying they make you embarassed to be an American you, they, and I would be better served by taking the time to ask them to explain their position and you explain yours. Also, I recommend you think about Oliver Cromwell's quote "Gentlemen, I beseech you, from the bowels of the earth, consider the possibility that you may be wrong."

[fustercluck]

I still assert that Obama's conception was an inside job....

[Bighead]

:shake:


:clap:

[CJM]

I still assert that Obama's conception was an inside job....


He wasnt elected, he was chosen and inserted by TPTB.

[fustercluck]

I still assert that Obama's conception was an inside job....


He wasnt elected, he was chosen and inserted by TPTB.


Haha! I was referring to when he was conceived.....back in 1961.......it was an "inside" job. Hehe.....

[Small_words]

:lol:

-Edit-
Nothing? No responses from Republicans saying that I'm off my rocker about Obama being a legitimate President? No response from Calrockx supporting his initial position that questioning Obama's legitimacy is embarassing to him as an American? Where's the vitriol? Come on, out with it. Yell and scream about the inusticies visited on your party now or in the past. Is it out of politeness we won't talk about our differences? Or is the reluctance because we are unwilling to listen to the arguments of someone we disagree with and prefer instead to complain only to those that agree with us and thereby reaffirm the superiority of our interpretation of the world. We may not all know each other here personally but we have always been polite to one another so can we not continue our friendship and civility in all things?

[fustercluck]

Pres. Obasm's fall...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NWtBhSp74I

[Crinale]

that video is hilarious... had to rewind a couple times cause i was laughing too hard to read the next caption

[DHC6twinotter]

Pres. Obasm's fall...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NWtBhSp74I


:lol: That's great!