What's a good coil and shock set-up?

[kafene]

I just wanted clearance for new 275/70/17 tires. Not sure what the difference is between the 265's besides size (why do people move up to 275's?), but the price difference seems minimal and I don't want to tell myself later, "Damn, I should have gotten the 275's!" I guess I'll do the lift with coils and shocks. Can I do the 2.5" or 3" lift with them and will that be sufficient for the tires? I think that's what the FAQ said I'd need. From the Forum's FAQ's, it says all four corners cost about $750. Is there a particular kind/brand that most people go with? I'm on a 2004 V8 4Runner. I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death, but the search didn't help. I had to narrow my search all the way down to just "lift", and after two pages of posts, I gave up. :shake:

Thanks!
kafene.

[Okie81]

I see a lot of 4th gens with the Toytec setup. Their adjustable front coilovers should put you right where you want to be. It may be out of your price range, but it's worth a look.

[Lee]

keep in mind that since you have a sport edition, you will have to remove the xreas shock system to put this in.

i put in 265/70/17 (a very slightly smaller 32) Revo II's with just a front leveling kit that cost me like 50 bucks and got to keep my xreas shocks. no need to modify the rear to fit them.

to be honest, a 2.5-3" lift just plain feels TALL to me for a truck you dont plan to wheel, which it doesnt sound like you want to do.

I think you'll feel the 32's you want (275/70/17's are 32's also) will look dinky with a larger lift.... not to mention your mileage will be slightly worse and your COG will change, something you will feel in corners.

here is how my truck looks, 1" leveling kit up front, stock rear, no other suspension change needed, fits the 32's nicely:

http://kidmoe.com/06sport/spacer/tires.jpg

[kafene]

I see a lot of 4th gens with the Toytec setup. Their adjustable front coilovers should put you right where you want to be. It may be out of your price range, but it's worth a look.


Thanks! I'll look at them.

@lee, I WAS actually planning on going off-road with it, which is why I traded in my PreRunner for the 4Runner 4x4. BTW, your black looks really great!

kafene.

[Lee]

ah I didn't realize you planned on wheeling... if that's the case, go with a 33, skip the 32's. :)

[expatoz]

I'm bias because I own the company but I'd recommend this to you http://stores.overlandwarehouse.com/-strse-Suspension/Categories.bok

Having wheeled my truck from new (04/04) till now, with several different suspension setups and a lot of testing and refinement, I believe we have the best setup out there for a Daily Driver cum Warrior Wheeler.

Anyhow, check it out and any questions, ask away.

Cheers
Mark


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[kafene]

I'm bias because I own the company but I'd recommend this to you http://stores.overlandwarehouse.com/-strse-Suspension/Categories.bok

Having wheeled my truck from new (04/04) till now, with several different suspension setups and a lot of testing and refinement, I believe we have the best setup out there for a Daily Driver cum Warrior Wheeler.

Anyhow, check it out and any questions, ask away.

Cheers
Mark


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It's okay... we're all biased depending on what our preferences are ;) It set looks beefy, but boy that's a hit on my pocket book. I started wanting to spend around $750, then the Toytec's squeezed up to about $1190. I don't know how much I should spending figuring I'm only going to be doing "basic" off-roading. Nothing too serious. I do plan on getting a front bumper and winch, if that makes much of a difference between Toytec's coilovers and Overlands.

kafene.

[expatoz]

My view is the Toytec is great value for money. You will probably find it insufficient for carrying a winch/bumper combo. The Overland setup will probably be too stiff for a non-winch/bumper combo. depending upon what you are willing to compromise on.

My suggestion would be a spacer lift for now. You can go a LONG way with a spacer lift and the XREAS is excellent for onroad performance.

When you decide on upgrading to a winch/bumper you will really want to consider the weight carrying capacity of your suspension, especially if you starting carrying a few spares, camping gear, family or friends...

[kafene]

My view is the Toytec is great value for money. You will probably find it insufficient for carrying a winch/bumper combo. The Overland setup will probably be too stiff for a non-winch/bumper combo. depending upon what you are willing to compromise on.

My suggestion would be a spacer lift for now. You can go a LONG way with a spacer lift and the XREAS is excellent for onroad performance.

When you decide on upgrading to a winch/bumper you will really want to consider the weight carrying capacity of your suspension, especially if you starting carrying a few spares, camping gear, family or friends...


I really do like the way XREAS handles. The truck handles SO much better than my Taco. It's hard trying to plan when you don't have the money to get everything all at once! 8) I'm pretty sure I'll eventually get a bumper/winch. What I DON'T know is exactly WHEN I'll have the money for it! :)

kafene.

[expatoz]

Yeah, in my opinion don't spend your money for a while on an expensive setup. Throw a spacer lift on and get a sense of what you might eventually like to do wheeling wise with this truck. Some people find that the occasional day get away is enough. Others like a weekend camp, and others go off exploring for week or more. Then there's choices about touring, rock crawling, desert blasting etc, all having their own "functions". I wheeled for about a year with spacers and went just about everywhere except places where I knew body damage was highly possible. A good spacer ligt will give you the clearance you need for larger tires and ground clearance for obstacles for a very small outlay.

[Lee]

really what you need to do is decide what kind of wheeling you want to do.

have you ever wheeled before??

If you really want to do "basic" stuff for a good long while like you seem to be pointing to now, then a simple, cheap spacer lift and 33's will last you quite a while.

I would honestly never advise going with a 32 for a truck you plan to wheel, for no better reason than the 33 fits with a larger lift and youre already shelling out the cash.

So, imo, if I were you I would put a 2.5-3" spacer lift in with 33's and call it good till I figured out what to do next.

Sliders should also be put on sooner than later because you will hate yourself if you land on a rock and dent your rockers. That tends to happen even when you least expect, too!

Then you'll start to worry about other protection, like skid plates (bud built) and bumpers... front is a wide range of options, rear as far as I can tell, is a limited field.

Then you'll start wanting more height because all this armor brought your rig down a bit, and you've gotten used to 3" and 33's, so you'll start considering pricier options that give you more flex, you'll detach your swaybar, etc etc etc.

THAT'S when you'll start to have real plans.




can you tell I've been here before :laugh:

[kafene]

really what you need to do is decide what kind of wheeling you want to do.

have you ever wheeled before??

If you really want to do "basic" stuff for a good long while like you seem to be pointing to now, then a simple, cheap spacer lift and 33's will last you quite a while.

I would honestly never advise going with a 32 for a truck you plan to wheel, for no better reason than the 33 fits with a larger lift and youre already shelling out the cash.

So, imo, if I were you I would put a 2.5-3" spacer lift in with 33's and call it good till I figured out what to do next.

Sliders should also be put on sooner than later because you will hate yourself if you land on a rock and dent your rockers. That tends to happen even when you least expect, too!

Then you'll start to worry about other protection, like skid plates (bud built) and bumpers... front is a wide range of options, rear as far as I can tell, is a limited field.

Then you'll start wanting more height because all this armor brought your rig down a bit, and you've gotten used to 3" and 33's, so you'll start considering pricier options that give you more flex, you'll detach your swaybar, etc etc etc.

THAT'S when you'll start to have real plans.




can you tell I've been here before :laugh:


I can't WAIT to see the money flying out of my wallet! Getting worried already! :\

[puulboy]

I'm bias because I own the company but I'd recommend this to you http://stores.overlandwarehouse.com/-strse-Suspension/Categories.bok

Having wheeled my truck from new (04/04) till now, with several different suspension setups and a lot of testing and refinement, I believe we have the best setup out there for a Daily Driver cum Warrior Wheeler.

Anyhow, check it out and any questions, ask away.

Cheers
Mark


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Wow this is the first time I have seen your suspension. Have you done many Cruisers?

[Ric]

I'm bias because I own the company but I'd recommend this to you http://stores.overlandwarehouse.com/-strse-Suspension/Categories.bok

Having wheeled my truck from new (04/04) till now, with several different suspension setups and a lot of testing and refinement, I believe we have the best setup out there for a Daily Driver cum Warrior Wheeler.

Anyhow, check it out and any questions, ask away.

Cheers
Mark


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have you ran the Toytec Lifts Ultimate kit ??? thats what Iv been running on the 99, and loved it so much, I got it on the 04, lol
great product, great customer service, and fast shipping...
Id love to see the Overland stuff in person, more so on the trail. Toytecs stuff is proven, Im sure the Overland is killer stuff also, I have NO doubts about that, I just what someone here to get it, so we can compair, on the trail, lol

[expatoz]

I'm bias because I own the company but I'd recommend this to you http://stores.overlandwarehouse.com/-strse-Suspension/Categories.bok

Having wheeled my truck from new (04/04) till now, with several different suspension setups and a lot of testing and refinement, I believe we have the best setup out there for a Daily Driver cum Warrior Wheeler.

Anyhow, check it out and any questions, ask away.

Cheers
Mark


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Wow this is the first time I have seen your suspension. Have you done many Cruisers?


No, we haven't done l/c's YET. Coming.

[puulboy]

I should clarify and say, Have you done many FJ Cruisers? I would be interested in talking to you about your suspension

thanks
Don

[expatoz]

I should clarify and say, Have you done many FJ Cruisers? I would be interested in talking to you about your suspension

thanks
Don


Sorry for the late reply. For some reason I don't always get email notifications.

We're testing the FJ at the moment. Give us an email at info@overlandwarehouse.com for more info and we can talk. I'll have Andries involved in the discussion as he leads the suspension development.

Cheers
Mark

[puulboy]

I sent you an email today
thanks
Don

[ToyTec Lifts]

My view is the Toytec is great value for money. You will probably find it insufficient for carrying a winch/bumper combo.


oops. You got that wrong. :)
It's all good tho!!

We carry a couple different spring selections actually for our Coil overs. But our standard is a 600# coil, which we have found can handle the weight of a bumper/winch combo. But, depending on the vehicle, we do carry a 650# coil and a 700# coil, all plenty to handle any bumper winch combo you throw at it.
:)

[ToyTec Lifts]

I just wanted clearance for new 275/70/17 tires. Not sure what the difference is between the 265's besides size (why do people move up to 275's?), but the price difference seems minimal and I don't want to tell myself later, "Damn, I should have gotten the 275's!" I guess I'll do the lift with coils and shocks. Can I do the 2.5" or 3" lift with them and will that be sufficient for the tires? I think that's what the FAQ said I'd need. From the Forum's FAQ's, it says all four corners cost about $750. Is there a particular kind/brand that most people go with? I'm on a 2004 V8 4Runner. I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death, but the search didn't help. I had to narrow my search all the way down to just "lift", and after two pages of posts, I gave up. :shake:

Thanks!
kafene.


These folks have given you some pretty good advice!

I currently run a 265 on my 3 inch Ultimate Lift kit on a 01 DC Tacoma. People go with larger tires to get more ground clearance and for look. I, like yourself, would like a little larger tire but not one that takes a hit on the gas mileage or the Horse Power, which is why I'm only going to go to a 275 also. You can fit those 275's with 2.5 inches of lift no problem.

Like previously mentioned, since you have the XREAS suspension, you can either remove the system, (which plenty of people do) and go with an adjustable coil over or just a new coil over by like, Old Man Emu; or you could keep the XREAS suspension and 'try' the whole lifting thing and go with a spacer.

But here's the real question, you already mention budget, but, how long do you plan on keeping the vehicle? 2 years, 10 years. If you plan on keeping the vehicle for any good length of time, my suggestion would be to upgrade the XREAS to an adjustable coil over and not look back. If the Ultimate Kit is out of your price range, I would also highly recommend the Old Man Emu complete suspension kit: http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=58842&category_id=72&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72. Worth the money also, but it just won't 'last as long' as say our gear would.

The difference between the two is, warranty, ours comes with a Life time warranty, where as OME's comes with just a 2 year limited warranty. Our front coil over is adjustable, (which I promise is nice, especially if your going to be adding a bumper/winch down the road) where the OME is not.

I hope that helped out and not confuse you any more, as I know this stuff can be way confusing.

Hit me back if you do have any questions!

Happy New Year!