Larger Oil Filter - ~40% More Filter Media than OEM

[bamachem]

for my 5VZ-FE (3.4L), i use a filter for a 1995 3.0L Taurus. yes, for a FORD.

i personally like the NAPA GOLD filters. good stuff, easily found, and affordable.

3.4L Toyota Filter Specs: (according to http://www.napaautoparts.com)

Item#: FIL1348

Price: $5.79
tax and shipping not included

Attributes:
Gasket I.D. (Inches):2.43
Gasket I.D. (mm):61.72mm
Gasket O.D. (Inches):2.734
Gasket O.D. (mm):69.44mm
Height (Inches):3.404
Height (mm):86.46mm
O.D. (Inches):2.921
O.D. (mm):74.19mm
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Thread Size (inches):3/4-16

3.0L Ford Filter Specs: (according to http://www.napaautoparts.com)

Item#: FIL1516

Price: $5.99
tax and shipping not included

Attributes:
Gasket I.D. (Inches):2.43
Gasket I.D. (mm):61.72mm
Gasket O.D. (Inches):2.734
Gasket O.D. (mm):69.44mm
Height (Inches):4.828
Height (mm):122.63mm
O.D. (Inches):2.921
O.D. (mm):74.19mm
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Thread Size (inches):3/4-16

the ford filter is $0.20 more, but has ~50% more filter media...

another candidate is the filter for a 3.0L Mazda, but I don't know what year range.


Item #: FIL1512
Attributes:
Gasket I.D. (Inches):2.43
Gasket I.D. (mm):61.72mm
Gasket O.D. (Inches):2.734
Gasket O.D. (mm):69.44mm
Height (Inches):5.842
Height (mm):148.39mm
O.D. (Inches):2.95
O.D. (mm):74.93mm
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Thread Size (inches):3/4-16

this one has ~70% more filter media than the standard OEM toyota filter!


now check this out! the Toyota 3.0L V6 (and also true for the 2.7L, 22R, 20R, etc) takes the same filter as the 3.4L. that means that you can also use the ford filter - if it will fit in the location - i'm not sure about that one though.

3.0L Toyota Filter Specs: (according to http://www.napaautoparts.com)

Item#: FIL1348

Price: $5.79
tax and shipping not included

Attributes:
Gasket I.D. (Inches):2.43
Gasket I.D. (mm):61.72mm
Gasket O.D. (Inches):2.734
Gasket O.D. (mm):69.44mm
Height (Inches):3.404
Height (mm):86.46mm
O.D. (Inches):2.921
O.D. (mm):74.19mm
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Thread Size (inches):3/4-16

however, you still need to check to see if it will physically fit into the spot for the filter.

another interesting fact is that the V8 engine in my UZJ-100 Land Cruiser (V8) takes the same filter as the 4Runner, which is a prime candidate for the larger Ford filter since it also takes quite a bit more oil. the more media, the better...

the idea is to look at your filter side-by-side with other filters of the same diameter. find on that has the same gasket diameter and same thread diameter/pitch, but with more filter media (overall longer).

also:


From what I understand it's (larger filter) not a good idea. Not good on cold start, oil doesn't get up into the valves and cylinders as fast as it would with the standard size filter.

not true with current quality filter designs. most - if not all - will have an anti-drainback feature. they hold oil in the filter when the engine is off. as soon as oil reaches the filter, then oil leaves the filter - by simple displacement - so there is no change in effective time for the oil to reach the most remote passages in the engine.


Relief (By-Pass) Valve. In a full flow system, all of the oil passes through the filter to reach the engine. If the filter clogs, an alternative route to the engine must be provided for the oil, or the bearings and other internal parts may fail, due to oil starvation. A relief, or by-pass, valve is used to allow unfiltered oil to lubricate the engine. Unfiltered oil is far better than no oil at all. This relief (by-pass) valve is built into the engine block in some cars. Otherwise, the relief (by-pass) valve is a component of the oil filter itself. Under normal conditions, the valve remains closed. When there is sufficient contaminant in the oil filter to reach a preset level of pressure differential to oil flow (around 10-12 PSI in most passenger cars), pressure differential on the relief (by-pass) valve causes it to open. This condition can occur when the oil filter has become clogged or when the weather is cold and the oil is thick and flows slowly.

for a toyota filter, the by-pass pressure is higher. since there is less filter media, then it can more easily become clogged. however, at 20-psid, you're loosing quite a bit of flowrate once you clog the filter media enough to trigger the bypass valve to open. w/ the other filter (lower bypass valve opening), the valve will open with less pressure differential, but the chances of that happening are diminished since you have more filter media that has to get clogged before it creates enough back-pressure to trigger the by-pass valve. with 40% more media, then it would be the equivalent of having a ~11.2 psig by pass on a toyota filter (estimated by simply proportionality).

to me, the slighty lower number is better - as stated above, unfiltered oil is better than no oil at all. considering how toyota engines will sludge with old oil, then the lower bypass trigger is better in my opinion.

[arjan]

If one is concerned about the flow back feature on non oem filters, you could use a remote mount kit with an one way check valve in the hydraulic line.

More filter area normally reduces the friction in the filter(assuming the same filter media is used), making life easier on the oil pump.

The Toyota dealer service technician once told me that when using good synthetic oil, the life of the filter is the limiting factor between oil changes.
The filter will be plugged while the oil macro molecules are still fine.
With more filter area, it will take longer before the filter will plug.

[Intrepidyota]

Just FYI, this filter also works for the 2UZ (4.7L) in my 2001 Tundra. :thumbup:

[jimbo74]

i use the motorcraft fl1a or the 400s, they are available at wal*mart cheap! like $3 and they are made by champion labs

[CJM]

Big question is though, just how much more oil do you need to add to compensate for the larger filter?

[jimbo74]

Big question is though, just how much more oil do you need to add to compensate for the larger filter?



no oil change is ever the same as far as saying my car takes exactly 4.5 quarts of oil..... you just check it, when its full, its full....

[CJM]

Big question is though, just how much more oil do you need to add to compensate for the larger filter?


I put in exactly 5qts each time and thats how much mine takes...


no oil change is ever the same as far as saying my car takes exactly 4.5 quarts of oil..... you just check it, when its full, its full....

[mkgarrison5]

so is this a good consensus to use the ford filter over the oem yota filter?? i havent seen anything bad from it so whats up?

[humanoid]

Thanks for posting this here again, bama!

[pdxsteve]

very informative. I just changed to a NAPA gold Ford 3.0L and it fits fine on my 2000 runner, there is a hose near the filter that is touching it (felt hot, maybe part of the cooling system) ever so slightly but I don't think that the oil filter gets hot enough to mess with the hose, it feels pretty thick and appears to have an extra layer where it runs next to the filter, a little bit of toyota design "extra insurance?" I can post pics if folks are interested.

[Texas Jim]

Why doesn't the engineers at Toyota do this, if they could sell larger filters at a little larger price wouldn't Toyota make more money for redesigning the filter? TJ

[Duffil]

Why doesn't the engineers at Toyota do this, if they could sell larger filters at a little larger price wouldn't Toyota make more money for redesigning the filter? TJ
because they don't have oil-related issues as they are. toyota has used the 1348 filter since 1978 or so, on the 20R, 22R, 3VZE, and the new 4.7l Iforce V8s. You can run a 1068 filter or a 1515, they both have the bypass valve and an anti-drainback valve. the 1068 is a little smaller than the 1515. those are napa numbeers, BTW.

[jimbo74]

i run a ford motorcraft fl1a on my 22r. it is a huge filter. by frams numbers it is a ph8a, however fram filters are trash and i will never run one

[jayzus]

hey well talking about oil filters.. K&N came out with an oil filter.
it looked and sounds great on the magazine i read

[4runnerchevy]

Bigger filter for a 22RE. 1983-1986 Toyota Supra 2.8L Inline six. Any vendor has it, I only use wix.

[Duffil]

Bigger filter for a 22RE. 1983-1986 Toyota Supra 2.8L Inline six. Any vendor has it, I only use wix.
yeah, the 5MGE uses the 1068 I referenced above.

[4runnerchevy]

Its been a while since I had the 5M-GE in my runner, so I had forgotten the filter #.

Thanx

[Nick]

hey well talking about oil filters.. K&N came out with an oil filter.
it looked and sounds great on the magazine i read


Excellent reference thread, this. Many thanks!

I just picked up a K&N HP-2009...which hopefully is better then Fram and is at least equivalent to the NAPA gold series.

[2ndGen]

any one know if the 3.4 and 4.0 v6 OEM filters are the same or not?, or even the 4.7 and 5.7 V8 filters?

[Terracoma]

I believe the 3.4L, 4.0L, and 4.7L engines share a similar filter, but don't quote me on that.

The new 5.7L engine uses some kind of replaceable-element filter instead of the typical spin-on filter... Very different than the others.

[Nick]

The new 5.7L engine uses some kind of replaceable-element filter instead of the typical spin-on filter... Very different than the others.


You take off the filter on those 5.7s and there's a paper/whatever-element inside it. Toss it, and replace with another element, then screw back in. I think the filter housing itself is plastic and cracks somewhat easy if you tighten it down too much.

[2ndGen]

i went to a local dealership picked up few filters. yes, the newer 5.7L V8 using the canister type filter, like the ones in MBZ and Accura motors, because they are "environmentally friendly", the lady at the parts counter almost laughed out herself while saying it.

anyhoo, here is a picture i took with the filters side by side.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w38/tonniechengca/spare/FILTERS.jpg

i've been using the NG1516 for my old 2nd gen and the current 3rd gen. the size of it just makes the oil change more painful, i'm thinking to switch to the bigger V6 filter next time. i don't know the science of which one is better than other, just peace of mind.