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bamachem

02-28-2007, 07:48 AM

TUNDRA TRD LIFT INFO

UPDATED 02.16.07

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DO NOT USE OME N91S STRUTS UP FRONT IN COMBINATION WITH AN ARB LOCKER. The locked front and excessive droop is a CV killer. I know because I broke two on Slickrock at Tellico about 30-minutes apart. If you have a front locker, or plan on running one, then you either need front limiting straps or you need to use the BLUE Tacoma TRD shocks or another Tokico alternative.

For use with a Front ARB Locker (ARB RD90):
2004 Toyota Tundra TRD 4WD Front Coil: 48131-AF090 - right - Blue + Yellow goes on the passenger side
2004 Toyota Tundra TRD 4WD Front Coil: 48131-AF100 - left - Yellow + Yellow goes on driver side
2004 Toyota TRD Tacoma Double Cab stock front shocks: 48510-A9160 - Tokico TRD Blue (TWO)
Sonoran Steel Fabrication L.L.C. Front differential drop spacers (TWO)
Sonoran Steel Fabrication L.L.C. 38mm Japanese made extended studs (SIX)
Bamachem 3/8" thick: 1/2" Lift HDPE Top Spacer (TWO)

Without a Front Locker:
OME N91S Struts are fine, but should be used with limiting straps if you plan on wheeling hard where possible overextension of the outer CV joint can be present while the drooped front wheel is under extreme torque.

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Steve at SonoranSteel.com (http://www.sonoransteel.com) has a complete kit using this information and the correct parts along with a diff drop and panhard drop for a great price.
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I've had a ton of different setups for the front and rear. Over the last ~70k miles I've had...

front:
OEM
OEM + spacers
TUNDRA 2WD NON TRD + spacers
OME/OME
TUNDRA 2WD NON TRD + spacers (went back b/c I HATED the OME setup)
TUNDRA 2WD TRD + red billies
TUNDRA 2WD TRD + OME struts
and now: TUNDRA 4WD TRD + tokico blue struts

rear:
OEM
OEM + spacers
DOWNEY COILS + stock shocks
OME/OME
DOWNEY COILS + stock shocks (went back b/c I HATED the OME setup)
DOWNEY COILS + OME shocks
DOWNEY COILS + spacer + OME
DOWNEY COILS + spacers + OME
and now: CRUISER coils and shocks

Overall, this basic front/rear setup KILLS all of them in ride comfort and flex ability. It gives approximately 2.0" up front (with my extra weight of a front bumper and winch) and (2.25" in the rear with downey coils) 3.5" in the rear with the Cruiser Coils.

Here's what I originally used...

Front:

Tundra TRD 2WD Front Coils

I used 2WD TRD Tundra front coils but everyone else have used 4WD TRD Tundra Coils. All use Extended Studs w/ some HDPE 3/8" Top Plate Spacers (http://www.4rnr.net/suspension) and the lift amounts are almost IDENTICAL. The added weight on my rig is about 100# MORE when compared to a stock runner, yeilding about a 0.20" drop in my ride height overall. The conclusion is that the 2WD TRD and 4WD TRD Tundra Coils are essentially the same when installed on a 3rd Gen 4runner.

Left Coil Part Number: 48131-AF100
Right Coil Part Number: 48131-AF090

OME N91S struts. Originally, I used Toyota Tundra 2WD Red TRD Bilstein Struts. Instead of the 4x2 Tundra TRD Bilsteins, a set of Old Man Emu N91s Struts can AND SHOULD be substituted. The old TRD part number (00602-48500-101) is now PT901-48500-01. They currently retail for $394 for a set of 4, but are available through http://trdparts4u.com for only $315. (This strut is RED - NOT the same as Bilstein Heavy Duty Yellow Struts or Regular Bilstein Yellow TRD Struts or even the RED TRD Bilsteain 4WD struts - the 2WD versions are supposedly LOW PRESSURE and NOT HIGH PRESSURE) ~$350/set of 4 list price - but you can only use the fronts - therefore, get OME and NOT the red billies unless you find a good deal on some used ones. (got mine used) They can also get you the Red 2WD TRD Bilsteins if you insist on using them. My OME N91s struts are super smooth on and off road. However, at this point, I'd STRONGLY suggest using the Blue Tacoma TRD Tokico struts up front.

OEM 4Runner Top Plate

Extended Studs for OEM Top Plate are available from both Daystar and/or Revtek.

HDPE 3/8" thick Top Plate Spacer (Similar to a Revtek 3/8" Top Out Spacer)

This is pretty much a TRD bolt-on front lift for 4Runners and Tacomas

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Note: There are 3 different Bilstein Shocks that can be easily confused on this setup.

1. OEM Toyota/Bilsteins - color yellow/blue , labeled with both the Toyota and Bilstein brand names - comes as part of the "TRD" or OFF ROAD option package. Toyota part # 4851009350 (front) & 4853109141 (rear). Toyota price about $150 new (set of 4), often about $125 on eBay (set of 4) YOU DO NOT WANT THESE.

2. TRD Bilsteins for 4x4's - color red/blue, labeled with both the Toyota and Bilstein brand names. TRD part number 00602-48500-100. Available from Toyota Dealers as a TRD Sport Part. These shocks are 40% stiffer on bump and about 25% stiffer on rebound than #1. about $285 (set of 4) YOU DO NOT WANT THESE.

3. TRD Bilsteins for 4x2's - color red/blue, labeled with both the Toyota and Bilstein brand names. TRD part number 00602-48500-101 (order 2). Available from Toyota Dealers as a TRD Sport Part. These shocks are slightly softer at low velocities, but stiffer at high velocities than #1. about $175 (set of 2) THESE ARE THE ONES YOU WANT.

I have verified that I have #3 4x2 Tundra TRD Red/Blue Bilsteins. They are softer than regular Bilsteins on low speed articulation and are stiffer than regular Bilsteins on high speed articulation. This allows for super soft and smooth on-road manners along with superb flex while crawling.

Instead of the 4x2 Tundra TRD Bilsteins, a set of Old Man Emu N91s Struts can AND SHOULD be substituted. They work in a similar manner as the 4x2 TRD Billies in that the valving allows for soft feel at slow articulation speeds. You DO NOT want the "comfort" (N91c). These are VERY soft - softer than the OEM Toyota struts that came on 4Runners from Japan.
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Rear:

Downey 2.5"/3.5" Rear Lift Coils

Old Man Emu N86 Rear Shocks

OEM Conical Bumpstops
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Other Stuff worth mentioning:

1" Roger Brown Body Lift

1" Differential Drop Spacers (cheap insurance)

Front Sway Bar Quick Disconnects (tons more flex)

ARB Sahara Bar (no difference in weight of OEM bumper and crush bar compared to the ARB)

Warn M8000 Winch w/ Amsteel Syn Line and Roller Fairlead (for weight considerations)

Airlift Outback 1000 Air Bag System (to help w/ the rear bumper weight)
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Now for the juicy stuff...

At some point when I have the time and a place to do it, I'm going to take one of my assemblies out and take detailed pics, but until then, I'll have to rely on verbage and borrowed pics.

The top plate spacer goes on top of the strut plate after everything else is assembled and just before you re-install it on the truck. You build the coilpack like OEM, but w/ longer studs and the tundra springs instead of the OEM springs. Then you put the spacer on top (kinda like a washer of sorts) then push the studs up through the holes in the upper mounting plate on the truck, then get all three nuts started, then get the lower shock eye lined up and then thread the lower bolt through it.

http://4rnr.net/images/frontome9.jpg

A good writeup on how to install them with pics is HERE:

http://4rnr.net/suspension

It goes the same place as the Revtek Top-Out Spacer (Part Number TOE-2)...

By running the longer Tundra Coils, you eliminate the thick Revtek PRELOAD SPACER (this is what they call it in the directions) that goes INSIDE the coil pack. You still follow the directions and refer to the pics for the rest of the steps to remove the OEM top plate, removing and replacing the studs, reassembling the coilpack, and placement of the top plate (part number TOE-2)

Here's the Revtek Instructions in PDF format.

http://www.revtek.com/docs/pn430.pdf

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Flex info:

(from center of hub vertically to bottom of limited flare)

Note: As you can see in the last two pics, the front didn't bottom out on the bumpstop and the upper A Arm did not touch the spring. If I were to put a rock under the driver rear tire, then I could probally squeeze 8" of travel out of the front and maybe, just maybe a touch over. This is with a 1" Roger Brown Body Lift installed also.

Front normal height: 22.75" (TRD) 23.0" (OME)
Front compressed height: 18.25"
Front extended height: 25.75"
Front overall travel: 7.50"
% of suspension travel is compression: 60%
% of suspenstion travel is extension: 40%
(normal position is almost perfectly in the middle of potential suspension travel)

Rear normal height: 23.00" (New) 22.25" (Used) :(
Rear compressed height: 14.75"
Rear extended height: 32.50"
Rear overall travel: 17.75"
% of suspension travel is compression: 46%
% of suspenstion travel is extension: 54%
(normal position is almost perfectly in the middle of potential suspension travel)

Pics of position during measurement:

http://4rnr.net/red4runner/flex-11.jpg
http://4rnr.net/red4runner/flex-12.jpg
http://4rnr.net/red4runner/flex-13.jpg
http://4rnr.net/red4runner/flex-14.jpg

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New pics w/ 305/70-16's!

http://4rnr.net/runner2.jpg

http://4rnr.net/runner5.jpg

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update:

swapped to blue tokicos, tundra 4wd coils, and rear LC coils. also added some sonoran steel lower suspension links (http://www.sonoransteel.com/rubicon_express_links.html) for more rear axle articulation. 1/4" wall DOM with rubicon express joints... no more bent lower links!

pics:

coils & links................OME & Tokico............OME on the runner
http://4rnr.net/20061109sus101t.jpg (http://4rnr.net/images/20061109sus101.jpg) http://4rnr.net/20061109sus102t.jpg (http://4rnr.net/images/20061109sus102.jpg) http://4rnr.net/20061109sus103t.jpg (http://4rnr.net/images/20061109sus103.jpg)

tokico's on.................downey's on..............LC coils on
http://4rnr.net/20061109sus104t.jpg (http://4rnr.net/images/20061109sus104.jpg) http://4rnr.net/20061109sus105t.jpg (http://4rnr.net/images/20061109sus105.jpg) http://4rnr.net/20061109sus106t.jpg (http://4rnr.net/images/20061109sus106.jpg)

new stance................new stance...............new stance
http://4rnr.net/20061109sus107t.jpg (http://4rnr.net/images/20061109sus107.jpg) http://4rnr.net/20061109sus108t.jpg (http://4rnr.net/images/20061109sus108.jpg) http://4rnr.net/20061109sus109t.jpg (http://4rnr.net/images/20061109sus109.jpg)

rear w/ bags...............how to turn the lower eye on the fronts
http://4rnr.net/20061109sus110t.jpg (http://4rnr.net/images/20061109sus110.jpg) http://4rnr.net/20061109sus111t.jpg (http://4rnr.net/images/20061109sus111.jpg)

localmotion

03-23-2007, 08:45 PM

I am running the TRD Tundra Springs with OME N91S and OME 891s in the rear with the N86 shocks. This is a huge improvement from the bilseins I came from. I plan on adding a spacer up front, as the front has sagged because of my TJM.

It rides very well, and from what I have heard, the setup Andy mentions above rides ever better, and you don't to worry about overextension.

Thanks Andy for using your noodle for once!

bamachem

03-26-2007, 06:30 PM

more info for archiving:

from 10/04/2004

Ok, after a long trip to Hoover Toyota at Lunch, here's what I found...

They had quite a few Tundra's on the lot, most of them new (04/05). For 2004/05 2WD TRD Access Cab, the coil springs were Red/Yellow and Purple/Yellow. For 2005 4WD TRD Access Cab, the coil springs were Blue/Orange and Blue/Red. Fo a 2004 4WD NON TRD Double Cab Limited, the coil springs were Orange/Green and Red/Red.

Now if you'll notice above, I have installed the TRD 2WD Springs! ☺☺☺☺! Why the hell can't you get what is advertised on eBay?!?!?! Well, what I DO know is that they are a better ride and did give me the lift I was looking for, but DAMMIT, the guy supposedly went into his local Toyota Dealer and ordered '03 4WD Tundra TRD coils and either the parts guy ordered the wrong ones (could easily happen) or this guy screwed me over and knew he was selling TRD 2WD springs and NOT 4WD TRD springs like he advertised.

Now to be fair, IF THIS IS IN FACT TRUE, then the springs should be easy to get over on tundrasolutions since all the 2WD guys are putting 4WD springs on to level out their Tundras, leaving the 2WD springs to us.

Well, that didn't help me any, so I went inside and chatted about 15 min w/ the parts guru there. This isn't your typical parts guy. This guy has been there for years and really knows his ☺☺☺☺ and has ALWAYS cheerfully helped me find what I'm looking for on my qwirky projects. He pulls up the same 2 pages of coil springs on his screen and comes to the same conclusion that we've had from the beginning. The dealer's deal in part numbers. The only people who deal in binary paint codes is the factory. The dealers don't have access to that info.

Well, since I'm hardheaded as they come, I didn't give up. I called 1-800-GO-TOYOTA and talked w/ a Customer Service rep. The lady I got said "Sure, I can get that info for you. Now what color is your Tundra?" She thought I was talking about VEHICLE Color even though I specifically said COIL SPRING at least 4 times in our conversation. Well, turns out they don't have that information either, but TRD would have it.

So, of course I called TRD at 1-800-688-5912 and asked the same question and got quite a shocking response. The guy on the other end said they don't make Coil Springs and they don't have ANYTHING to do w/ the TRD packages on the trucks. Now isn't that funny, Toyota calls it a TRD package and TRD doesn't have anything to do with it. Isn't that called "Fraud" and covered in Business 101 class? Anyway, they couldn't help at all since it was a Toyota Part and NOT a TRD part.

Back to 1-800-GO TOYOTA... I got the information for the plant in Princeton, IN that makes the Tundras and called them at 1-812-387-2000 and asked to speak with an Engineer that would have technical info on Tundra Front Suspensions. No dice. I was told THREE TIMES "I'm sorry sir, but the engineers are all out on the production line and cannot take a call at this time." This lady was persistant, but I was MORE persistant and she eventually transferred me to Public Relations since she refused to provide me with an office phone number or email address of one of the Engineers that could help me.

The Public Relations lady was very nice and cordial (as you would imagine) and took all my info down including phone number and email address and promised that someone would contact me about my question concerning the availability of a reference chart for the binary color coding on Tundra front coil springs.

from 10/11/2004

I was at my in-laws this weekend, and my father-in-law has a '00 tundra Access Cab 4WD NON-TRD. His coils are Red/Yellow and Purple/Yellow just like the Tundra 2wd TRD coils. Hmmmmm. I guess this could explain the possibility that the same coils are used in 2WD and 4WD applications and therefore the cross-references when looking them up by numbers.

bamachem

03-26-2007, 06:35 PM

The Tundra TRD Coils are DEFINITELY PROGRESSIVE

posted by RTDawgs on 10/18/2004:

Quote:
Originally Posted by off-road.com
Inspired by Toyotaâ€™s successful desert racing program, the TRD Off-Road package is available on 4WD, PreRunner Xtracab and Double Cab models (excluding 4-cylinder 4ECT models). The package offers a rugged combination of front and rear gas shock absorbers, locking rear differential (V6 only), progressive-rate front coil springs, modified rear leaf springs, a larger stabilizer bar, P265/70 R16 BF Goodrich tires on five-spoke aluminum wheels, overfenders and TRD graphics...
http://www.off-road.com/toyota/models/2003/tacoma/

Quote:
Originally Posted by yotatech
I know that the TRD coils are progressive and I've heard that they ride really stiff with spacers so thats why I was looking at the OME kits or maybe just a set of non-TRD coils with a linear spring rate...
http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=28885

Quote:
Originally Posted by trailerboats.com
Our test unit was equipped with the TRD Off-Road Package that included progressive-rate springs, Bilstein high-pressure...
http://www.trailerboats.com/site_pag...e_page_248.cfm

Quote:
Originally Posted by cars.com
An optional TRD (Toyota Racing Development) Off-Road Package features progressive-rate springs, Bilstein gas shocks...
http://research.cars.com/go/crp/revi...p&aff=national

Quote:
Originally Posted by toyota.com
TRD Off-Road Package -- includes off-road-tuned suspension, BilsteinÂ® shock absorbers, 16-in. 5-spoke aluminum alloy wheels with P265/70R16 BFGoodrich tires, color-keyed fender flares with integrated mudguards and fog lamps...
"Off-Road-tuned" means what? Progressive rate coils? probably.

bamachem

03-26-2007, 06:40 PM

from Steve Schaefer, 10/23/2004:

I installed one side and left the other the 4Runner coils with the spacers.

1. The coil alone, even with my tiny little 4cly engine gave me 1.5" of lift. So to say that the engines weight difference matters at all is completely wrong.

2. I used the Daystar studs which are 5cm long and I cut them down to 3.5cm long. Revteks are 3.5cn long.

3. I had to install the Revtek top out to get 2" of lift, even with my light little engine, just go to show you it's really not all that light.

4. The Tundra/Revtek combo is EXACTLY the same as the 4Runner Frankenstein setup. Softness wise, so ANdy and Myself certainly are on the same page.

5. With the Revtek top put and the OME shock, I droop too far. I;m firly certain this is why my axle cage snaped in moab, high tourque and over extended. I will liming strap the front and everything will be fine.

This is the best 3rd Gen front lift BAR NONE.

A. 4WD TRD Tundra Coils
B. Revtek Top Out or Andy's Spacer
C. Daystar studs cut down
D. ARB/OME Heavy Duty front shocks N91S
E. Limiting straps, only if you wheel it hard.

This is cheaper to put together than the Frankenstein setup.

ADH8796

04-04-2007, 10:50 AM

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q294/aharder_album/IM000321.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q294/aharder_album/Disney/Disney_5-6-07031.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q294/aharder_album/Disney/IM000373.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q294/aharder_album/Disney/Disney_5-6-07011.jpg
I have Tundra/OME with OME shocks and struts but lets be honest this was just a good excuse to post pics.  For anyone considering this lift I highly recomend it.

neliconcept

04-04-2007, 01:32 PM

Andy, not sure if you thought about this or not, what about the brand new tundras? or would those be too big for a 4runner

cox380

05-10-2007, 01:57 AM

Hey Bama, Whats wrong with these? Why do't I want them? How do they compare to the HD Bilsteins p/n BE5-2450?

1. OEM Toyota/Bilsteins - color yellow/blue , labeled with both the Toyota and Bilstein brand names - comes as part of the "TRD" or OFF ROAD option package. Toyota part # 4851009350 (front) & 4853109141 (rear). Toyota price about $150 new (set of 4), often about $125 on eBay (set of 4) YOU DO NOT WANT THESE.

I'm asking because I scored a set off E-bay really cheap. Please let me know. Thanks

bamachem

05-10-2007, 04:16 AM

they are the HD bilsteins and will be VERY STIFF!

MTL_4runner

05-10-2007, 09:34 AM

they are the HD bilsteins and will be VERY STIFF!

Yep, ditto!

cox380

06-02-2007, 02:40 AM

KZN185W

06-16-2007, 08:16 PM

How much lift does the '04 Toyota Tundra TRD 4WD coils give for a 3rd gen with a stock bumper?

austintaco

06-16-2007, 08:36 PM

I just posted my writeup over on YT about doing the swap on my 03 tacoma doublecab. I can repost it or link it here, but I didn't want to link over to Yotatech without moderator approval.

Anyway, I used the red/blue Tundra TRD shocks and the TRD tundra coils. In the rear, I used 3" springs from All pro with Bistein 5125's. So far, it rocks. Way better than my stock stuff, and with one spacer up front, I achieved 2 7/8 lift up front, and 3.75" in the rear, but I think my old springs had drooped a bit. After a few days, my lift is at 2.75 up front and about 3.5" in the rear. I can post the pics if anybody is interested.

Here's the write up:
It all started here after first reading Andy's post about doing the tundra coil swap on his 4runner. I was late to the game so I had alot of reading to do between here and TTORA, and then it was off to hunt down all of the parts. I would like to thank the following members, shops, suppliers, and people for their contributions to the project:

Jacques aka Gumbo of trdparts4u.com. I bought the coils and shocks from him through the classifieds on here and he was available for some quick knowledge when needed. Definitely a good source for parts and info and a cool dude.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6110366.jpg

Steve of Sonoran Steel fame supplied the diff drop, brake lines, spacers, and e brake bracket. This guy knows what he is talking about and if you use one of his products you will immediately see the engineering that went into it. Diff drops get crapped on by the boards, but you should see one of his in place and installed.
All Pro supplied the 3" springs and they were on sale for $289! If it had not been for the sale, I would have been doing the AAL and shackle dance, but these springs rock.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6110367.jpg

Shox.com had the Bilsteins for $75 each and thanks to Steve at Sonoran, I ordered the right ones!

Cameron and Glenn of Krawltex, Krawltex.com, here in Austin got the lift put on even though they are both mainly jeep guys. If you live in the area, you should stop by their shop just to see some of the projects. I happened to see them outside when I was out running and we set up a date to put on the lift.
First things first:
Before
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6110362.jpg

After
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6120381.jpg

Cameron of Krawltex has worked on more than a few Toyotas, but when I mentioned the Tundra swap, he was eager to see what I was talking about. He knows his stuff. While I was messing with putting in bushings in the rear leafsprings, he had the coils off and on the bench.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6120368.jpg

Here is a pic of the front with the coil/strut off
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6120370.jpg

This is where the fun starts. From reading thread after thread about the swap or even doing a spacer lift, it never seemed like compressing the coil was that big of a deal. Well, it is. Especially on the progressive rate springs. We tried the air gun and a manual spring compressor, but you couldn't get the teeth into the narrowly spaced coils enough to get them to compress, and the wider spaced coils wouldn't compress the coil enough at the top. We finally got them done with a wall mounted compressor, but this is an fyi to anyone doing a swap like this. When putting the OEM stuff on the Tundra coil, Cam had to find the sweet spot to get it to compress. Here is a pic of where it worked best;
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6120374.jpg

After getting the skid plates off, we got the diff spacers in and put the Tundra coils/struts in with the OEM top plate and one spacer from Sonoran Steel. On to the rear.
The rear is pretty straightforward. I ordered the extended brake lines and E brake bracket from Steve. Here are a few pics:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6120378.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6120380.jpg
Before the lift, I measured 35.5 inches from ground to bottom of fender in the front and 35.75 in the rear. It looks like my old springs were wearing after 40K since most people report more of a difference from front to rear. Pics:
front:http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6110363.jpg

rear:http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6110364.jpg

Immediately after the front was at 38 3/8, just 1/8" under 3"
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6120382.jpg

and the rear was at....39.5"...3.75" gain!

damn, I thought I had a picture..oh well...

Its already started to settle. The front is now just over 2.75" of lift and the rear is down about an 1/8" as well. I had it aligned at Firestone with my lifetime alignment, and it came back within specs. The tow was out on both sides, but that was it.
As for the ride, I love it. It is an improvement over my old stuff. For the record, my truck is not a TRD. It has the locker, and it came with progressive coils, but the shocks are just the black tokico's. I have not tried it offroad, but just over bumps and potholes it feels better.

If anyone has any questions, ask away. I didn't feel comfortable doing this lift on my own, so I am glad Krawltex was able to put this together and they let me help out and watch and learn. Great experience for me.

Final pic...at home...peeking out of the carport:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/runboorun/P6120384.jpg

KZN185W

08-26-2007, 04:36 AM

is there any other online store that sells just the extended top mount studs other than wheeler's?

thanks.

MTL_4runner

08-26-2007, 02:01 PM

is there any other online store that sells just the extended top mount studs other than wheeler's?

thanks.

I thought Sonoran Steel was carrying them too, worth an email anyway.

KZN185W

08-26-2007, 06:31 PM

Jamie,

Thanks. But last time I asked, Steve said they don't ship to the Philippines. Also, in Steve's site the FAQ says the parts that I need are not sold separately.

KZN185W

08-27-2007, 06:30 AM

MTL_4runner

08-27-2007, 06:39 AM

How is the stud length measured? Is it just the threaded length EXCLUDING the splined portion?
For comparison, the stock studs have a threaded length of about 0.70 inch and a total length of about 1.125 inch (INCLUDING the conical tip and the splined portion).

Thanks. Appreciate any help you can extend.

I believe the stud has several measurements, but the most common 2 they give are thread size and overall length (total length from tip to base).

For instance on a wheel stud you might see something as detailed as this:
Thread - M12x1.25
Overall length - 70mm
Thread length - 51mm
Spline diameter - 12mm

20005spd

09-05-2007, 03:39 PM

2004 Toyota Tundra TRD 4WD Front Coil: 48131-AF090 - right - Blue + Yellow goes on the passenger side
2004 Toyota Tundra TRD 4WD Front Coil: 48131-AF100 - left - Yellow + Yellow goes on driver side

the part #s for these dont seem to be correct. when i gave a dealership the #s they said they were tundra springs but not trd springs. they said that the part #s for trd stuff is usually a little different. i didnt know there was a part # for the shocks so im not sure about those but any help clarifing this will be awesome.

MTL_4runner

09-05-2007, 04:59 PM

Chaplain

11-26-2007, 11:40 PM

I'm looking to buy some LC coils for the rear of my 3rd Gen 4runner but I don't know which ones to get. I would like to get 3.5 to 4.5 inches of lift. Can you guys post some info like year, color codes, front or rear coils, and most helpful Part Numbers please. Is is true that I should get 2 lefts or 2 rights so they are the same lenghth? This seems to be a confusing subject since 3gens and 2nd gens use lc coils.

I'm also looking for some coils that would give me 3.5 to 4" of lift in the rear. Who has the skinny on the spring rates to have some made or the ideal LC coils.

Also, Twisted Customs makes adjustable upper and lower control arms and panhard bar that are bomb proof and allow for the flex we need. I just ran my chasing for the baja 1000. Good stuff!!

JWBehm

12-10-2007, 07:38 PM

I am running tundra coils up front with OEM shocks without any problems. Stuff good but doesnt droop all that much. I would rather that than fixing blown cv's. Also I am running 891's with the HD shocks and it is sagging slowly so I will probably add a 1" spacer and get some different (longer shocks)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/jwbehm/CIMG0619-1.jpg

Chaplain

03-19-2008, 10:38 AM

I'm also looking for some coils that would give me 3.5 to 4" of lift in the rear. Who has the skinny on the spring rates to have some made or the ideal LC coils.[/quote]

^^^^^^bump^^^^^^
ARB 891 pro's/cons
Downey's 3.5" pros/cons
http://frankies4x4.com/FZJ80.html anyone run this guys rear coils?

FIXED IT: ARB's 891's. Only about 25miles of testing, but these seem to be the answer for me.

PRA4WX

04-26-2008, 07:35 PM

I also would like to know if anyone has tried the 05 Tundra Double cab 369mm coils? Any reason these wouldn't work on the front of the 3rd gen? Noob status fully acknowledged and any input greatly appreciated!

PRA4WX

05-04-2008, 10:16 AM

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Seanz0rz

05-04-2008, 05:23 PM

as far as ive read, 4th gen 4runner/2nd gen tacoma parts will not work for us 3rd gen guys.

JWBehm

05-17-2008, 07:43 AM

What are yall running for front shocks? I know it used to be the TRD tokikos but i've heard some people are running Bilstein 5125's. I am ready to get some new ones, my OEM shocks are worn out

4Runner202020

05-17-2008, 09:47 AM

YotaFun

05-17-2008, 12:05 PM

neliconcept

05-17-2008, 01:10 PM

as far as ive read, 4th gen 4runner/2nd gen tacoma parts will not work for us 3rd gen guys.

they do fit. i have the 4th gen 4runner front lift springs in the front of my runner. the ome 883's and they add a bit more lift than the tundras...

How much lift?
YOu don't want to push your CV's too far...

depends on what top out spacer is used too.

it provides about the same as a tundra, maybe .2" more with the same topout. and ive wheeled mine hard with the front locker engaged and still fine, that was with 33s though

4Runner202020

05-17-2008, 07:53 PM

i have wheeled it enough to know my limits without breakin one. cv are stronger that people realize. and what the big deal about takin 30 min out of my sunny sunny summer day to change one ever now and then. lol jk but really its not pushin the cv's to far my any means and they ride way nice...

YotaFun

05-17-2008, 08:03 PM

Loooking at your sig you have those coils with a topout spacer.
What's your actual meassure on front lift?
Just curious.
iirc the tundras with the top out spacer is 2.5-3

I have actually been meaning to pick up extra set of cv's but with other repairs taking its place I don't even think I need the extra cvs at the momment lol!

4Runner202020

05-17-2008, 08:32 PM

lol i live right be auto zone so last summer when i had 881's up front i broke cv all the time for some reason so i would take the cv out walk to auto zone and get a new one. haha but it measures out to be almost 3.5 i have the tall lc springs in the rear and they have me a little over 4.5in of lift and it has a little rake but about the same as the tundra with spacer and the regular lc coils... heres a pic for ya

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/thisoneguy2020/IMG_3471.jpg

this is the best pic i got of the cv angle...

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/thisoneguy2020/IMG_3487.jpg

YotaFun

07-01-2008, 08:14 AM

Can anyone show me what there assemble of the front looks like, i think I any have done something wrong....

especially where the strut stud come through the stock top out plate

NakSuKow

07-01-2008, 12:45 PM

Yotafun,
PM me your email and I will send you a PDF from the shop manual.

4runner freak

07-31-2008, 06:31 AM

i have the tall lc springs in the rear and they have me a little over 4.5in of lift and it has a little rake but about the same as the tundra with spacer and the regular lc coils... heres a pic for ya

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/thisoneguy2020/IMG_3471.jpg

What LC are the coils from? Front or back?
I'm going to help a buddy of mine SAS his runner and I'm doing a little research on replacement coils for the back of his rig.
Let me know
Danny

NakSuKow

07-31-2008, 06:34 AM

1995 Toyota FZJ-80 Land Cruiser Coils (Yes the front FZJ-80 coils fit in the back of a 3rd Gen 4Runner):
48131-6A570 - left - Orange + Orange + White
48131-6A480 - right - Purple + Gray + White

I have conflicting information on the actual colors on the coils. The left may actually be green + Orange + White.

I also believe that these coils give the lowest lift ~3.5-4 inches.

4runner freak

07-31-2008, 07:21 AM

Thanks

austintaco

05-08-2009, 07:43 AM

I know this thread is a bit old, but I posted on here when I did this to my Tacoma. Its been 2 years and all is good, but I am putting on an ARB bumper as we speak and I have a set of 255/85 coopers ready to go after that. I am thinking that the ARB is going to weigh down the front and the Coopers are going to rub. After looking around at Steve(sonoran Steel)'s site, I noticed that he is now using the adjustable Bilsteins with the Tundra coils? I bought some of my parts for my lift from Steve, so I like his stuff, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Has anyone had any luck buying just his adjustable bilsteins? I read somewhere else that they were made to order to his specs?
Secondly, the double cab Tundras have a slightly longer coil. I am also thinking of going this route, but I have not read about anyone using the longer coils from the pre 07 tundras. If I missed this on here, I apologize.

bamachem

05-08-2009, 07:13 PM

honestly, the arb doesn't weigh "that" much more than the stock stuff. however, if you add a winch, then you'll add considerable weight. expect the ARB to make the fronts ride about 1/4" lower than with the stock bumper. add a winch and it will be closer to 1/2" or just over.

doing the math, the fronts are estimated to be about 400#/inch in the "soft" zone where it rides. the ARB weighs about 75# more than the stock hardware. 75/400 = .1875 = 3/16" of sag

add another 100# for a winch and cable, and you'll settle another 1/4" on top of that.

austintaco

05-09-2009, 06:42 AM

You da Man! I just finished putting on the bumper and wiring it up last night. It looks great, and it hasn't sagged...yet. On that note, I am going to have to post up some install tips for those that are putting on an ARB. For my Tacoma, 03 D-cab, I didn't have to cut anything off. I know that 4runners are different, but on the Parks offroad site, they cut off the front of the frame mounts. Mine just bolted on, and the new hardware bolted in on top of that. As for the wiring. Australian wiring is, brown=hot, blue=ground or neutral. Our wiring is, green=hot, white= neutral.

VanillaGerrilla

08-18-2009, 04:59 PM

New here - so for the rear of my 02 4runner I will need 2 of the same coils?
Two of the purple+white+blue coils?
not one left one right?
Thanks

gilby4runner

08-19-2009, 08:01 AM

search on sonoran steels site. He has a ton of info about lifts and what not. What you are needing depends on how high you are wanting to go and what you plan on doing with it.

fenrisx

07-10-2010, 10:45 PM

Is there a TRD Tundra that won't give over 2" of lift? Looking for front spring options to pair with 906 in the rear. I've got problem with running 881 up front, but the idea of a progressive rate TRD up front seems nice.

MTL_4runner

07-13-2010, 04:02 AM

fenrisx

07-13-2010, 12:31 PM

If you go Tundra springs you'll probably need 890's in the rear to match.

Ok, good to know. I figured that was the case, but wasn't sure if the 2WD TRD were a little shorter, and I knew most people ran a spacer when using TRD's in order to get the extra height.. so, I wasn't sure what a 2wd TRD with no spacer would amount to.... 881's it is for me I guess!

99yota4

07-26-2010, 11:58 PM

Has anyone tried using the stock yellow with blue dust cover Bilstein shock that comes with the tundras? I have a set of TRD tundra coils (y/y and y/b) that are assembled with the yellow bilstein shocks and tundra top hats, and I know I have to re-assemble the strut assembly using my 4runner tophats, I was wondering if the yellow bilstein shocks were a good, smooth ride with this lift. Thanks

bamachem

07-28-2010, 07:44 PM

simply put, no.

they're VERY stiff, and when coupled with stiff springs, the ride is going to be firm to say the least unless you have a bumper and winch up front.

i would be willing to bet that you'll be happier in the long run going with a softer shock than the yellow bilsteins.

99yota4

07-30-2010, 10:32 PM

bamachem, thanks for that info. A member over on YT installed the same strut/coils and said his ride was very smooth. articulated well and has a stock bumper. I am willing to take my chances and experience it and let you guys know. I am just too anxious to wait to save up for new struts to lift so I'll go with these for now. If they end up being stiff as you said, I will reconsider some Bilstein 5125 for the Tundra app. Thank you for your input though! OH! and where can I get just a top out spacer? I ordered some from toytec, but in the event that i want to do two top out spacers per side, I'd like to know where to purchase those. Thank you!

bamachem

07-31-2010, 12:18 PM

I never tried them personally, I'm only going on the opinion of others who had the yellow Bilsteins and complained, then swapped to OME or Tokiko only to be very pleased. As with most things, it's all subjective and it depends on what you're looking for. A worn set of yellow bilsteins may be as soft as OME's for all I know... Best of luck.

99yota4

08-11-2010, 08:43 PM

Bamachem, I got them in the other weekend and got the alignment done. Not knowing how many miles were on the tundra coils and shocks makes it hard to determine why it rides the way it does. But it does ride pretty well. Plush, not stiff, and there is no jarring. I will probably end up upgrading shocks and throwing on another top-out spacer to get more lift. IIRC, you ran two top-outs per coil? What was the end result with that setup? A lot of people recommend staying away from the dual top-outs spacer set up. Thanks for your help!

bamachem

08-15-2010, 02:06 PM

two were really too much. stick w/ one.

glad to hear that you're doing OK w/ the yellow bilsteins.

Crazychopstick

11-23-2010, 11:42 AM

Seanz0rz

11-23-2010, 12:25 PM

You know, this is probably common knowledge to most but if you disconnect the swaybar at the endlinks, the stock jack (positioned upsidedown) is more than capable of pushing the control arms low enough to insert the strut assemblies.

There's no need to disconnect the lower ball joints.

:good:

also know this, you should be loosening the upper a arm bolt before you push down on it (actually the lower ones too, just try not to mis align them too much) and re-torqued when at ride height. this way you are only fighting the ball joint and not the bushings as well. this will increase the life of your bushings, and should probably make the ride a bit better as well.

MTL_4runner

11-24-2010, 03:55 PM

I'd definately go with OME's, Tokicos or if you insist on Bilsteins, use the 5100 series instead of the HD's (yellow/blue).

Dice Man

02-08-2011, 12:14 PM

I just purchased a 1998 SR5 4x4 - stock everything, I want to put 275/75-16 meats underneath me but I really don't want to go with a suspension or body lift right now, has anyone used the 99 Highlander springs/coils in their 3rd Gen(other than 99 & 00)? From what I understand the 99 Highlander springs are 1" taller than the stock 98 springs...? I thought this would be a decent alternative to other lift mods and would allow me to keep a stock ride/comfort and would be a basic bolt on upgrade over my present setup.

Crinale

02-08-2011, 12:21 PM

the 99 springs will be a direct bolt on to your 98.. but if your going to spend that much money anyway, what are your reasons for not wanting a lift? the other options as mentioned in this thread are just as easy of a bolt on upgrade.

also, what tires are you looking at that come in a 275/75/16? most tires jump from 265 (31-32") to 285 (33")

Dice Man

02-08-2011, 02:07 PM

MTL_4runner

02-08-2011, 02:13 PM

My local tire place told me I can fit the Bridgestone-dueler-revo-275/75/16 on my stock rims - I thought they would be ok. Would these tires adversly effect my ride?
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I found a wrecked 99 Highlander at a salvage yard near me and was considering trying to get them at a low price, I really don't plan on doing any major off-roading - I would just like a minimal lift and some meatier tires - the fact that the Highlander springs bolt on is a big plus and would give me enough lift for slightly larger than stock tires is ideal.

I don't suggest the used spring route because it's hard to tell how much they've sagged over time. Then if you're looking at new 99 4runner springs, then you might as well get the OME springs. I would highly suggest the OME 881/906 combo I went with if you basically want the stock ride with a little more height for bigger tires. Click on my signature and see if that's the type of height your looking for.

bpkrules

07-21-2011, 08:51 AM

paddlenbike

07-21-2011, 12:17 PM

I searched the Bridgestone site and they do not make a 275/75R16 tire. That would be the perfect tire size for those of us with mild lifts, but no one makes a tire in that size.

Seanz0rz

08-09-2014, 12:24 PM

Old thread, I know.

I am looking to rebuild my front struts. The shocks (bilstein 5100's) are shot. The problem is, the rubber isolators are also at the very end of their life. Toyota wants ~$60/side for new assemblies. I only need the rubber isolators. I have found some for a Tundra, but I cannot confirm they are the same dimension as the 4Runner ones. 4Runner, Tacoma, and Tundra all use a different part number for that isolator/mount assembly. I am very confident that the Tacoma mounts should be the same.

I know this has been a problem in the past, but I was hoping that someone had found a solution to this problem. I could not find any aftermarket ones for the 4Runner.

4x4mike

08-09-2014, 01:37 PM

It is my understanding you need Tundra isolators to run the Tundra coils. You can run 4Runner/OME/Tundra coils on the 5100's you just need the proper isolator.

Therefore I'd assume you have Tundra isolators and not 4Runner isolators. I don't know where the Tacoma fits into there but I'd assume they are 4Runner size. FWIW I have the Tundra 5100's, 4Runner isolators and OME coils.

Seanz0rz

08-09-2014, 02:10 PM

I have the 4Runner isolators, just reused my stock ones.

I am referring to the rubber isolators that sit between the coil and the top plate, pictured below.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/hamiltoncomputers/Lift/DSC01870.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/hamiltoncomputers/media/Lift/DSC01870.jpg.html)

garrett

08-11-2014, 07:51 AM

when researching for parts, this is the tundra coil isolator that i ordered:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004K7ZG3K/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=33VY9D8O065XC&coliid=I1VCD9WJWBPDBV

Monroe 907926

have not ordered the rest of the parts so i can't personally confirm it is correct, but everything i read on T4R points to this PN.

Seanz0rz

08-11-2014, 08:47 AM

Thanks. I ordered the shocks yesterday so I will likely order those and report back with a yes/no.

4x4mike

08-11-2014, 10:19 AM

Did you go with Tundra 5100's again?

Seanz0rz

08-11-2014, 11:43 AM

Yep. I have been really happy with them. The last few months they've started to weep and the dampening ability is greatly reduced.

4x4mike

08-11-2014, 12:46 PM

Oh, ok. I thought in Mojave you said you were done with 5100's but weren't sure what to replace them with.

Seanz0rz

08-11-2014, 05:26 PM

I'd like to go to a fully adjustable coilover, but can't afford that. My rear shocks I despise. I miss my old Toyota tokicos.

4x4mike

08-11-2014, 07:21 PM

Kryptoroxx

08-11-2014, 07:33 PM

FWIW the Tundra 5100's are pretty long and way softer than my Tokico Trekmasters. I liked the stiffness of the Tokicos but the extra travel is nice. Seems like there is a lot of compromise in shocks for lifted and wheeled 3rd gens.

I like the idea of coil overs but the routine maintenance, custom parts, down time, price, etc are a turn off.

Plus, and this is just an east coaster, if you have them back east the winters are pretty harsh on those adjustable coilovers.

Personally I am looking at doing the tundra lift with an ome rear once I am ready to lift. I kinda like having a DD that is easy to get in and out of.

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YotaFun

08-11-2014, 07:43 PM

So curious, did is the isolator you need come from a tundra or a 4Runner?

Just another .02 The tundra coils are awesome, unfortunately with my lack of a heavy duty bumper I was relying on the rear suspension to do all the work when I went offroad.

I ended up eventually upgrading to AllPro upper uniball control arms and the AllPro Blistien Adjustible Coilovers as such "https://www.allprooffroad.com/9602frontsuspension/299"
I originally had the 550lb springs on there which were incredible, I have never gotten such flex out of the front end, but unfortunetly they started to rust so I upgraded to the 650lb coils, at first I wasn't pleased with them but my last trip out I got to work them out and they are turning out to be a great spring weight.

As far as the rear, I still have the LC coils but I miss my Tokico black shocks, they were awesome, I have a cheap set of shocks off rock auto that are 'ok' a little to stiff for my blood but they have a really great travel, still have yet to max them out extended from my last trip I could never lift tire and the only thing limiting my travel as of now is the shock.

Keep a look on the for sell ads on the other forums, they pop up from time for time.

Seanz0rz

08-12-2014, 05:52 AM

The isolators I purchased are for a Tundra. I will see if they are compatible with my stock 4runner tops. The price was right and it was Amazon, so returns should be pretty easy.

Kryptoroxx

08-12-2014, 06:56 AM

My lift ideas are always changing but then again so are my ideas for front and rear bumpers lol. I do know eventually I want to flat belly the 4runner.

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Seanz0rz

08-24-2014, 10:04 AM

New shocks are on!

I compressed the coils, removed the old shock, and knocked the long studs out of the top plate. I inserted the old stock ones, but they fit loose. I tacked them into place.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3893/14834504349_54b995836a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oASHjn)IMG_20140823_102558 (https://flic.kr/p/oASHjn)

Shot them with some quick drying black I had laying around:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5579/15020861092_c424ac69e0_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oTkQFE)IMG_20140823_154702 (https://flic.kr/p/oTkQFE)

Here are the old and new isolators (I shouldn't have to tell you which is which):
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3909/15021223945_de396471e4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oTnGxK)IMG_20140823_102623 (https://flic.kr/p/oTnGxK)
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3877/15020861652_c260a885c3_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oTkQRj)IMG_20140823_102617 (https://flic.kr/p/oTkQRj)

They are essentially identical.
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3882/15018158561_37d67548dc_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oT6Zji)IMG_20140823_154838 (https://flic.kr/p/oT6Zji)

Fit is good. My tacks stuck up a little bit, but they are fine.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5596/14834502969_66fbc874c4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oASGUz)IMG_20140823_154906 (https://flic.kr/p/oASGUz)

No pictures of the actual shocks, I'll try to get those later.