OMG What Did I Do???

[YotaFun]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Wellsville%2004-22-10/DSCN0609.jpg

Steve don't say a word!! :rofl:

Let the questions and guesses fly!
I will have vid of what I did later....

[Seanz0rz]

epic fail.

im going to say you grenaded the front diff.

[YotaFun]

epic fail.

im going to say you grenaded the front diff.


Sean, why did you have to spoil my fun, you know there are some one here that don't have my FACEBOOK account!

I will have full story later, right now i am so physically and emotionally drained that I just am going to go crawl in a deep dark hole for a while

[Seanz0rz]

haha i didnt even look at facebook!!! i havent signed on in days!

well, both your wheels are still connected, the front isnt bashed in (coughLANCEcough) and its still rolling on the rear tires. only thing i can think of is a blown front diff.

[YotaFun]

alright smart@$$

yeah she wont do over 25 without going click click click click click BANG *screeching front tires*

[Obi..]

*His front driveshaft's sitting there too??

I was gonna put "Pissed off the G/F and packing up your stuff?" but that's a raw deal for anyone.

[CJM]

Yea sucks, he told me over aim and im like "you broke something did you" before he even came out with it.

Ill make you feel better a bit Avy: Friends and I drove 2 hours to ride atv's, one of them got literally 1/4 mile onto this horrible rocky trail we went on, it stalled and wouldnt turn over again period and sounded like something let go. Worst is he bought it used 3 months ago..

So yea, at least you know wtf it is.

I can say tho I totally relate-where I am now with my vibration is cause of offroading and one of the main reasons when I finally can get a new vehicle Im not going offroading besides fireroads..

[corax]

Dude . . . that socks. I'm guessing that's Ohio? If you need help with anything, let me know (hint: I travel alot if you find parts that are too far for you to drive - NorVA, Pitt, etc) Think you'll get 'er back together for EC4RJ? If not, I'll have a seat open . . . .

[20005spd]

i wouldnt be surprised if you broke the front diff, get under that thing and figure it out! :D

[DHC6twinotter]

Think you'll get 'er back together for EC4RJ? If not, I'll have a seat open . . . .


Sorry to go off topic here, but when and where is EC4RJ?

[corax]

Think you'll get 'er back together for EC4RJ? If not, I'll have a seat open . . . .


Sorry to go off topic here, but when and where is EC4RJ?


June 25-27 at Rausch Creek in central PA (http://www.midatlantictoyotacrawlers.com/showthread.php?t=4516)

there's also the NE Takeover on July 23-25 (http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153841)

[YotaFun]

Dude . . . that socks. I'm guessing that's Ohio? If you need help with anything, let me know (hint: I travel alot if you find parts that are too far for you to drive - NorVA, Pitt, etc) Think you'll get 'er back together for EC4RJ? If not, I'll have a seat open . . . .


Def keep you in mind Keith thank you!




Hopping to get her in the shop by tomorrow but school stuff is getting in the way, I think I can get the diff out in at least a hour if not less with all the right tools right there
i wouldnt be surprised if you broke the front diff, get under that thing and figure it out! :D

[strykersd]

Why'd you rent a Uhual and not just pull the front axles?

Good guess Sean. I would have never guessed front diff since you can pull the axles and keep driving it. I would have guessed a hydrolocked engine...

[YotaFun]

auto locking hubs, the bearings in the spindle rely on the cv shaft for support, if they weren't in I would be loosing my front wheels quick.

Does anyone have an idea as to what 4Runners came with the 4.30 gear ratio in my generation 4Runner, I know that the 97 I got mine from was a limited but it also has an e-locker, what I am wondering is if the no e-locked 3rd gen Runners of the same time period (96-98 at least) came with the 4.30 ratio as well.

[CJM]

T100 ones fit?

[YotaFun]

T100 ones fit?


no your 2nd and 1st gen style, but apparently tundra might fit

[CJM]

I think V6 Tundra came with 4.30.

[914Runner]

I have a 4.30 front diff I could sell you. PM me if youre interested.

[YotaFun]

I have a 4.30 front diff I could sell you. PM me if youre interested.


once I see what going on I may be interested, just have to get it apart first

[YotaFun]

This is the spot that I did the damage on, just a still, video is converting:

http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs494.snc3/27015_1462268997016_1242200299_31336470_4879076_n. jpg

[bamachem]

auto locking hubs, the bearings in the spindle rely on the cv shaft for support, if they weren't in I would be loosing my front wheels quick.

Does anyone have an idea as to what 4Runners came with the 4.30 gear ratio in my generation 4Runner, I know that the 97 I got mine from was a limited but it also has an e-locker, what I am wondering is if the no e-locked 3rd gen Runners of the same time period (96-98 at least) came with the 4.30 ratio as well.


That's very easy to get around. Turn the steering wheel all the way to the right, go to the Passenger Side wheel well, cut the inner and outer CV boots, then slide the shaft all the way inboard towards the diff. Rotate the head of the shaft out of the outer race, then pull the entire shaft out. Repeat for the other side. You have to replace the CV boots, but you'll save a ton on towing!

I snapped both front CV axles going up SlickRock in Tellico one time. I got to the top (by winching over the last ridge at the top) and pulled both shafts. This allows the inner joint/spindle to keep the diff sealed, and the outer spindle supports the wheel bearings. You can drive anywhere you want for as long as you want w/o damage - you're just stuck w/ 2WD.

[Seanz0rz]

andy, that is exactly my protocol for when i decide to snap a front shaft and cannot replace it, or grenade the diff.

[YotaFun]

I guess its i should have done that on the truck then on a picnic bench....
I am getting stub shafts from a friend now so this wont happen again...

[YotaFun]

Well I am making a little progress.
Since I am in the Toyota Program:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/FrontDiff008.jpg

I got to pull the truck in the Toyota Lab that I always talk about:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/FrontDiff005.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/FrontDiff004.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/FrontDiff002.jpg

And made some progress:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/FrontDiff001.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/FrontDiff003.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/FrontDiff006.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/FrontDiff007.jpg

[YotaFun]

Also uploading the vid of the incident, will get that up soon too

[YotaFun]

Video:
http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz219/Yota-Boy/Wellsville%2004-23-10/th_MOV00C.jpg (http://s829.photobucket.com/albums/zz219/Yota-Boy/Wellsville%2004-23-10/?action=view&current=MOV00C.flv)

[corax]

nice facility you get to work in, much better than the gravel/dirt I'm used to laying on (no jealousy :D) - How did you like Wellsville? It looked like it had some fun trails.

[YotaFun]

Omg I love wellsville!
I can't wait to go back!

I have crappy cell phone carnaige pics.
I might be buying that diff now

[YotaFun]

On to the Carnage!
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0274.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0275.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0276.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0277.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0278.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0279.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0280.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0282.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0283.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0284.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0285.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0286.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0288.jpg

[Okie81]

Ouch, pictures like that are painful to look at :yikes:

[YotaFun]

Ouch, pictures like that are painful to look at :yikes:


I started to shead a tear

[CJM]

Ouch...that was painful to watch.

[corax]

Hey Avi, don't 'cha know ya aren't s'posed to put metal filings in the diff? That's probably what started your whole problem ;)

on the flip side, it's a perfect excuse to go a bit lower in gearing at this point . . . .

[YotaFun]

Hey Avi, don't 'cha know ya aren't s'posed to put metal filings in the diff? That's probably what started your whole problem ;)

on the flip side, it's a perfect excuse to go a bit lower in gearing at this point . . . .


EVERYONE has been suggesting this, and while I would LOVE to, the FUNDS just aren't there.

I just want to get her rolling right now that is all, its depressing to walk past it now stuck on a lift....

[mastacox]

So, does this mean you won't be buying my spacers this week? :lol:

[YotaFun]

So, does this mean you won't be buying my spacers this week? :lol:


Uh yeah.... about that....
I guess I am going to have to pass.
I am sorry dude, and I even had the funds set aside for it to till disaster struck

[Scuba]

Cut you're losses and cut the IFS off :P

[CJM]

I been saying it all along scuba he should torch the ifs.

But as Avy explains: He wants to have the most bad arse ISF out there. He was talking about some portals awhile back, adapting a LC front axle so it remains all toy, etc.

Hell with it torch it off and run a D44 up front. They are stronger the IFS at least. that or gonna have to shorten a D60.

[04 Rocko Taco]

*chants* Spidertrax!! Spidertrax!!

[Scuba]

Ahh, protals and IFS.

These guys said they were working on it...
http://motorsports.axletech.com/portal.asp

I got my hopes up.. Haven't heard anything else about it in about a year though..

[YotaFun]

First Off I never said I wanted to have the most bad ass IFS, I just said I want to get her Rollin again.

Second, yes, if I did an sas I wanted to use volvo C303 portal axles, but it might be comin down to a Dana 44 or toy axle really soon.

I am not going to throw a locker in an ifs diff unless it was selectable.

Righ now i am trying to sell my gti because m friend has a 98 manual 4Runner that I would like to pick up.
If that happens then the sawzall comes out.

[X-Tool Pimp]

I have a built set of 60s Ill sell you :tongueout:

[20005spd]

to answer your gearing question...3rd gen 4runners with elockers came with 4.30 gears, non elocked 6cyl 3rd gens came with 4.10 gears, 4cyl 3rd gen runners came with 4.56 gears, tacos with elockers came with 4.10s not sure if they also came with 4.30s. and IIRC toyota threw a 3.90 or 3.83ish type gear in the mix with these as well, maybe in a prerunner....

your diff explosion looks exactly like mine did. i drove home 3 hrs with it broke though....dangerous? yes! :D these front diffs explode due to being open and spinning like crazy as we try to get up rocks, but if we lock it, the axles go boom....cant win unless you sas :rofl:

[YotaGirl]

I have a built set of 60s Ill sell you :tongueout:


full width or shortened?

[97kurt]

Silly spider gears.. who needs them. If it were me, I'd just get another junkyard front diff or get one from someone else that is currently doing a SAS. But when you grenade a second diff or break 4 cv's you are required by law to put a solid axle under the truck.

[Obi..]

I didn't realize you worked at a dealership! ;) Have they placed you or do you only get to use the lab? :D
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/Front%20Diff/IMG_0274.jpg

*They've (Toyota/Schools) pretty much killed off the T-Ten in the S.F. Bay Area.
De-Anza's the only one left now. :chair:

FWIW take care of that little briefcase/black box, that thing can be your life-blood some days.. LOL.

[Obi..]

nice facility you get to work in, much better than the gravel/dirt I'm used to laying on (no jealousy :D)


:gay: There's plenty of paved driveways in Oregon and California! :flipoff:

[corax]

nice facility you get to work in, much better than the gravel/dirt I'm used to laying on (no jealousy :D)


:gay: There's plenty of paved driveways in Oregon and California! :flipoff:


looks like it'll be coastal Delaware for a little while . . .

[20005spd]

Silly spider gears.. who needs them. If it were me, I'd just get another junkyard front diff or get one from someone else that is currently doing a SAS. But when you grenade a second diff or break 4 cv's you are required by law to put a solid axle under the truck.
x2 on the used front diff. i just put a used one in when i broke mine. and dont be lazy like me, put new axle seals in before you install it and find out it leaks haha

[YotaFun]

They find opening at dealers for me and thats about it,
I have to do the rest on my own.

The Snap-On caddy and the Toughbook are the schools but god they are cool.

Keith Where in DE?
I use to live down there.

Got a question, do gears from a non locked diff fit in a locked diff?

[Obi..]

Got a question, do gears from a non locked diff fit in a locked diff?


Avy, as in "Can I swap the ring and pinion over to my 8" third?" then the answer would be "Yes".

Now, as far as using the entire un-locked third, well, the thing there is the left side would be missing the edging that would cover the notch the actuator goes into. Make sense?

[Note: The following bit is only "Rumor" everyone, understand me here! ;)]
BTW..as far as the toughbook, just wait until they eventually release the mac compatible software for TIS. :wrenchin: Now, that'll be really sweet, I've personally never really liked or been overtly fond of the Panasonic/PC system.

Then there's the "pending" MacBook Mil-Spec. :angel: Food for thought.

[YotaFun]

Well Toyota owns part of Panasonic so I am sure its discount for them

[YotaFun]

I just want to take the ring and pinion form my unlocked 3rd and put them in my locked third so I can also throw my old front 3rd in

[Obi..]

OK, crap..hang on a sec since I can't remember how your build is. If you have an old front yeah, just swap the ring and pinion, but if it's a spare rear, then no b/c IIRC your front IFS is 7.5" and the rear is a 8". I do wonder how easy it would be to use the 03+ 4Runner/Tacoma 8" IFS diff though since you're already a drivers side drop. Just saying, as someone already mentioned the used front diff bit, maybe grab a newer 8" front w/ 4.56 or 4.88 and a used 8" ring/pinion at the same time? Kill two birds with one stone. :wrenchin:

FWIW, just break out a credit card and buy a set or a used front diff and save the headache, or just break apart the driveshafts and roll in 2wd until funds become available. BTDT.

[corax]

Keith Where in DE?
I use to live down there.


Ocean View / Bethany Beach in southern DE (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bethany+beach+DE&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=37.136668,78.662109&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Bethany+Beach,+Sussex,+Delaware&ll=38.539573,-75.055161&spn=0.2868,0.614548&z=11)



I just want to take the ring and pinion form my unlocked 3rd and put them in my locked third so I can also throw my old front 3rd in


That should be feasible - the ring and pinion that I got for my elocker were just standard V6 gears, nothing special or unique about them. Just make sure you mark the ring to get your pattern and measure backlash before you take it apart because you're going to want as near to the same pattern in the elocker as what you had before (since they wore together that way)

[20005spd]

v6 gears fit in an elocker, 4cyl gears do not :thumbup:


nissan has a panasonic tough book for their new scan tool...f@ck that thing. they made the program super confusing to use, sometimes it wont communicate with the wireless part that plugs into the DLC, so then you havta restart the computer and try again....im here to fix cars not waste time to diag bullshit computer errors...the last scan tool nissan had was like a huge i phone...all touch screen, very easy to use, flawless operation

[YotaFun]

Wow, that sucks.
Techstream on our tough books are freakin amazing and already linked to TIS.
With the millions of computer on a freakin Toyota today, the car practically diagnosis itself for you, kind of takes the fun out of things.
The 2nd gen prius alone checks 37 ECUs in it's health check, the is250 I am workin one has 27 I believe.
We also have desktops for a techstream light, haven't touched those yet to see what it's like.

[YotaFun]

Keith, Lucky Bastard lol!
Perfect time of the year for the beach too!
Get a beach pass for that runner yet?

[corax]

Keith, Lucky Bastard lol!
Perfect time of the year for the beach too!
Get a beach pass for that runner yet?


The house we're looking at has a few spare rooms, I'm thinking friends and family can rent a room for the weekend in exchange for beer :D
Definately gonna have to figure out the drive on beach thing, have any idea who I need to talk to?

[YotaFun]

What kinda of beer do you like? I would like to request a room for the first weekend in august lol!

When I get home tonigh I will look it up for you, I have been meaning to get one for Tess but never have the time.

[20005spd]

Wow, that sucks.
Techstream on our tough books are freakin amazing and already linked to TIS.
With the millions of computer on a freakin Toyota today, the car practically diagnosis itself for you, kind of takes the fun out of things.
The 2nd gen prius alone checks 37 ECUs in it's health check, the is250 I am workin one has 27 I believe.
We also have desktops for a techstream light, haven't touched those yet to see what it's like.
dont get ahead of yourself, youll still get stumped by random problems :D it just makes being a tech so much more enjoyable

[YotaFun]

Oh I figured as much lol!
The Avalon I am working on has a dead gauge cluster and the IS250 has a code for the oil pump for the VVTi which I think is a bad connection at the ecu since the thing has been t-pinned to death.

The Avalon is a fault the program put in and has forgotten how to fix so inamorata trying to get that squared away too.

I am trying to go through most of the cars we have and see what issues I cam fix in them since most of them already have other switches in place for faults. Figured I would get more experience fixing the stuff the program didn't put in then the stuff that eveyone is going to be learning.

After those guys are fixed I am goin to pull the GS450h and the sienna and see what issues they have.

Trying to work on at least one Lexus and one toyota at a time to familiarize myself with each system

[YotaFun]

Holy Thread Revival Batman but look!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/4wd%20Systems/4wdAgain003.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/4wd%20Systems/4wdAgain006.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/4wd%20Systems/4wdAgain010.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/4wd%20Systems/4wdAgain015.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/4wd%20Systems/4wdAgain031.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/4wd%20Systems/th_4wdAgain027.jpg (http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/4wd%20Systems/?action=view&current=4wdAgain027.mp4)

She's A Happy Camper Again!
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Nighthief/4Runner/4wd%20Systems/4wdAgain030.jpg

[YotaFun]

And I know the diff drop is in the wrong place, I did this in a rush with no help,
I just wanted it 4wd again!