17 more states agree w/Az

[Ric]

Im liking this: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=156985 :clap: Just hope they follow through

[Scuba]

I don't see what the big fuss is. I mean from what I've heard a cop can only ask for papers during a legal run in. I mean, im sure a cop will ask a mesican for papers 9 times out of 10 compared to 0/10 for an anglo... Maybe its racial profiling, but do illegals have american constitutional rights ?

[DHC6twinotter]

I wish NC was on that list. :(

[Crinale]

I wish California was on that list... but we are WAY too liberal a state to press anything like that through, unfortunately... but as more states pass similar, something will be done about it, hopefully at the federal level (as they will be forced to)

[Small_words]

I admit that I still haven't read the law. From what I understand though, it states that police officers can ask for proof of citizenship if they have probably cause to suspect a person is illegal, after they have already stopped them for some other illegal activity. The latter part is the basis for the fear of racial profiling. That fear however could be used for any situation like having an officer pull over a hispanic driver because he's racist. I don't think this law changes the fact that a racist police officer is going to be a racist and harass people. The problem isn't the law it's people's racism. Does anyone disagree?

On another note, it would be nice if the economy picked up, people started hiring again, and I had the money to actually do something to the 4Runner. This economy stinks.

[oly884]

I admit that I still haven't read the law. From what I understand though, it states that police officers can ask for proof of citizenship if they have probably cause to suspect a person is illegal, after they have already stopped them for some other illegal activity. The latter part is the basis for the fear of racial profiling. That fear however could be used for any situation like having an officer pull over a hispanic driver because he's racist. I don't think this law changes the fact that a racist police officer is going to be a racist and harass people. The problem isn't the law it's people's racism. Does anyone disagree?

On another note, it would be nice if the economy picked up, people started hiring again, and I had the money to actually do something to the 4Runner. This economy stinks.


I've skimmed the law, both federal and AZ, and it essentially gives AZ state police officers the same abilities as a federal agents when it comes to immigration status. If a police officer pulls someone over, stops them, responds to a crime, etc they are allowed to verify whether the individuals are here legally or not.

I don't seem to understand the blatant attack on anyone supporting this law, and furthermore I don't seem to understand how allowing illegal immigration to continue is, in any way, a good thing. The people immigrating across the boarder are subject to abuse and have little or no recourse since they are here illegally they can't just go to the cops without fear of their immigration status coming up. It's bad for the economy as they usually don't pay much in the form of taxes. Crime rates from the bad ones doing bad things.....

I can go on and on about the issues we have, but if there's one thing about this situation that frustrates me more than anything else. Most people who are complaining about this new law don't live near the boarder, they're over on the east coast, or up here in liberal land living in their bubble world. Until someone actually lives down there, and has to see what's going on day to day, they really shouldn't be boycotting, condemning, or anything else other than speculating (this includes me)

It's great that people want to still come to this country, and if anything, says A LOT about the land we live on. However, these people are simply taking advantage of the situation, and if to alleviate the problem we need to improve the immigration process, then I'd be all for that over turning a blind eye.

[Ric]

I agree with Oly..

Want to know the REAL numbers ? http://immigrationcounters.com/

[Ric]

Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border: Coyotes, Bears, and Trails (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkK7g2NdE8g#)

[Robinhood4x4]

Basically, the identification they require is a valid drivers license. In AZ, one must be here legally to have a drivers license. That's it.

[DHC6twinotter]

Heard this on the radio, so I don't know how true this is, but before this law, if a cop pulls somebody over and the cop thinks the driver of the car is an immigrant, the cop can't ask for any ID. So all this new law does is sets the same guidelines for everybody, regardless of their nationality.

Now under the old law, I wonder how the cops would decide whether or not the driver was an immigrant and whether or not to ask for an ID? Must have been racial profiling.

Seems to me, that if anything, this law eliminates racial profiling. :headscratch:

Anyways, heard that on the radio.

[oly884]

Heard this on the radio, so I don't know how true this is, but before this law, if a cop pulls somebody over and the cop thinks the driver of the car is an immigrant, the cop can't ask for any ID. So all this new law does is sets the same guidelines for everybody, regardless of their nationality.

Now under the old law, I wonder how the cops would decide whether or not the driver was an immigrant and whether or not to ask for an ID? Must have been racial profiling.

Seems to me, that if anything, this law eliminates racial profiling. :headscratch:

Anyways, heard that on the radio.


SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

logical thinking is not allowed here....

[fustercluck]

As I understand it, the federal immigration law does not require "first legal contact" before asking for ID. Are federal agents somehow less likely to racially profile? Are they a breed better than the rest of humanity?

The Arizona law is actually less strict than the federal law. The claim that States have no business enforcing the federal law is illogical. State officials enforce federal law everyday.

I would have 0 trouble with illegal immigration if they had no access to publicly funded services. They are coached on their side of the border how to access redistributionist programs such as welfare, WIC, housing subsidies, clothing subsidies, utility susidies, medical subsidies etc. If they had to genuinely compete on an equal level as the rest of us without subsidies, then they could not undermine wages and drive indiginous labor out. Anyone who hires an illegal is asking someone else to subsidized the labor cost and that is exploitative and immoral. When we first practice immorality, we eventually lose liberty as we see now. For these reasons, this immigration is like no other previous immigration. We have perverted natural migration with Socialism/Marxism.

Mexicans believe it is their right to come and be susidized, having been erroneously instructed that we stole land from their country. The land they refer to as Aztlan was won fair and square in armed conflict the Mexican govt. initiated. "To the victor go the spoils", up until the past three decades has been the rule of humanity since the beginning of time. Even then, The US govt. paid the Mexican govt. in the millions for the land; which back then was desolate and mostly desert/undeveloped waste land.