CA Open Carry ban passed...

[Crinale]

Well it has actually happened... California senate has passed the :ban: on open carry :chair:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/31/lawmakers-shoot-downapprove-gun-bill-open-carry/
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15958323?nclick_check=1

[04 Rocko Taco]

Insane!

[Seanz0rz]

Insane!


im quoting you, because im utterly speechless...

[4x4mike]

Lame.

[Good Times]

It's all relative on the perspective you look at regarding this bill... It hasn't been signed yet but most likely will be.

BUT this will does change the language here and there that is interesting in that if you're already a ccw holder (12050 licensee), you'll be able to carry your handgun "partially concealed" loaded in your belt holster.

This means although Unloaded Open Carry got screwed, those with CCW will now be able to Loaded Open Carry.

But honestly, it really doesn't matter because CA will become a shall issue state in the near future so all of this will be a moot point.

[Terracoma]

It may be awhile until Alan Gura and the Second Amendment Foundation gets around to suing California...

I wish you Californians (as a former Californian) the best of luck in your fight to regain your rights. The state government is literally upside down.

[Good Times]

And just when you thought AB 1934 passed it really never did. Yesterday's crazy session included amendments to the bill which both the assembly and senate passed but they both passed different amended bills so technically since they didn't pass the same amended bill this bill never got passed.

Therefore AB 1934 FAIL

[Crinale]

lol Lance... well thats good.

[xonetruthcrewx]

AB1934, AB1810, and AB2358 all failed. A great day for us here in CA. This is the start of many great changes to come.

[gabe]

Awesome! :tongueout:

My wife is from California, and we are contemplating moving back. But this is a huge issue to me.

Not sure what I would do with my AR15 if we moved back. :gunner:

[04 Rocko Taco]

you could give it to me.... I'll treat it real nice, and say nice things to it, and take real good care of it, and even take it out for nice dinners. :)

[93yotasr5]

i have an a15. and im in ca. does yours have a bullet button? or is it selcetable between auto, 3 rd burst and semi?

[Crinale]

Awesome! :tongueout:

My wife is from California, and we are contemplating moving back. But this is a huge issue to me.

Not sure what I would do with my AR15 if we moved back. :gunner:


to be legal u may need to make a few modifications, but AR15's are legal in CA

[troyboy162]

thats not entirely true. they are illegal but there is a loophole that is really a judgment call for any officer involved in any issue you might find yourself in. look up the "bullet button" and the list of banned receiver manufactures. my AR-15 is still in Vermont because of the lower receiver.

[xonetruthcrewx]

The Assault Weapon Ban in CA is listed by make and model. You can absolutely have a Lower receiver that is not on the CA AW ban list. Example, Kaiser Defense, JD Machine, Noveske, CMMG, Stag, LMT, there are tons of Manufactures that are not listed on the CA AW ban list. And they never will be, the list cannot be added to.

And it is absolutely NOT a "judgement call" for any officer you encounter that thinks HE is the law.

Really people, stop the FUD. (Fear, uncertainty and doubt). Before you go spouting thing out, make sure you know what youre talking about. If you need to be educated on CA Gun laws, go to www.calguns.net (http://www.calguns.net), spend the next year or so reading through things over there and you will know what youre talking about.

And for anyone that wants to REALLY know whats what, feel free to ask me. Im pretty well educated when it comes to this, its "kinda" my job. ;)

And if you need to reference the CA AW Ban List, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/kaslist.pdf

[xonetruthcrewx]

And yes, you will need a bullet button here in CA. Unless you go featureless, then you can use a regular mag release.

[troyboy162]

so it really says somewhere that a banned lower mated to a another brands upper is legal? or is that a interperation of the laws wording/lack of wording?

everyone ive talked to makes it sound like a sketchy loop hole.... including what youve written above.



are there stores that sell assembled rifles here in cali?

[xonetruthcrewx]

No, it does not specifically say these things. It is the way the law is interpreted. If you were at all worried about things, just get a upper and lower that is not on that list. There are so many options. Absolutely not a sketchy loophole. And yes, there are TONS of shops here in CA that sell complete ARs as well as stripped lowers if you would like to build it yourself.

[troyboy162]

cool ill have to look around. until now id seen the flow charts/bullet button and all the thumb thru stock junk, but never knew anyone was legitimately selling assembled ar-15 rifles( with BB of course). that gives me the warm fuzzy :). i cant get a firearms violation in my line of work so calguns really seemed like a bunch of web lawyers.

my rifle back home is shot out anyhow. 4500 rounds when i stopped counting and started bump firing its poor throat out. looks like its rifle shopping time :) thank you!

[gabe]

Well, I do have an AR15 that is on that list. It's a Rock River Arms. That is ridiculous that just because it is a certain brand it is banned. The laws people pass can be so retarded. :screwy:

Anyways, I'm not sure what a bullet button is, but my gun is semi-auto. No 3 round burst or full auto.
Up until now, I thought that you had to jump through a bunch of loop holes to be able to have an AR15 in CA. My understanding was that the AR15 had to have a barrel 16.5" or longer. It couldn't have both a collapsible butt stock and pistol grip. It had to be one or the other. It couldn't have a magazine larger than ten rounds. And the magazine had to be permanently fixed to the lower receiver. Basically, just go back about 100 years in technology.

[fustercluck]

What is the defintion of 'infringe'?...

[randver]

Well, I do have an AR15 that is on that list. It's a Rock River Arms. That is ridiculous that just because it is a certain brand it is banned. The laws people pass can be so retarded. :screwy:

Anyways, I'm not sure what a bullet button is, but my gun is semi-auto. No 3 round burst or full auto.
Up until now, I thought that you had to jump through a bunch of loop holes to be able to have an AR15 in CA. My understanding was that the AR15 had to have a barrel 16.5" or longer. It couldn't have both a collapsible butt stock and pistol grip. It had to be one or the other. It couldn't have a magazine larger than ten rounds. And the magazine had to be permanently fixed to the lower receiver. Basically, just go back about 100 years in technology.


ok here is the flow chart learn it live it love it. http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf then keep a copy of it with you when you go shooting.

the barrel can not be shorter then 16" whether it is feature less or has evil features.

as long as you have a bullet button you can have evil features ( collapsible stock, pistol grip, flash hider) the bullet button is cheap to buy and replaces your mag release so you need a tool or bullet to drop the mag.

if it has no evil feature you can us a legally owned in cali before 2001 high cap mag (more then 10rds).

cali legal AR15 i build with parts from a local company JD Machine tech.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee94/docadw/stuff/DSCI0073.jpg
close up of bullet button
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee94/docadw/stuff/DSCI0074.jpg

[Bob98SR5]

After shooting Robinhood and Lance's ARs last weekend, time to build. I'll be consulting you guys soon and researching AR15.net or whatever that site is.

[slosurfer]

After shooting Robinhood and Lance's ARs last weekend, time to build. I'll be consulting you guys soon and researching AR15.net or whatever that site is.


Did Lance bring some different rounds that didn't jam every other round?

[gabe]

Thanks Randver.

That was a lot of good info. That chart is great.

So now I definitely know that my gun would not be allowed in California unless I spend a bunch of money to make it less functional.

Irritating.

:gunner:

[gabe]

What is the defintion of 'infringe'?...


I know this was rhetorical but I just needed to respond.


in·fringe Verb /inˈfrinj/
Synonyms:
o verb: violate, transgress, break, contravene, trespass, invade
o
infringes 3rd person singular present; infringing present participle; infringed past tense; infringed past participle
o
Actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.)
+
making an unauthorized copy would infringe copyright
o
Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on
+
his legal rights were being infringed
+
I wouldn't infringe on his privacy

[randver]

So now I definitely know that my gun would not be allowed in California unless I spend a bunch of money to make it less functional.


well you could sell the whole thing and buy a new one thats off the the list or have the fun of building your own.

but what i would to is just strip your lower and sell it. then get and off list lower and a bullet button. thats the cheapest way unless your barrels to short then go back to option one