20130517-19...The Whole 'bernardino

[troyboy162]

three days to cover "the whole Bernadino". this is a run for all levels of vehicles and driver skills. after much planning, the run can be made by stock vehicles with the use of alternate routes, especially on day 2

Difficulty: 1.5-3.9 trail-rating (http://www.nwtoys.com/reference/trail-rating)

When/Where: May 17-19th @ 10:00 AM Cleghorn RD exit off of the 15 North
map of meeting spot (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=San+Bernardino,+California&daddr=Cleghorn+Rd&hl=en&geocode=FblzCAId20wC-SnzuP3ifVPDgDGNwoeMeMZnKA%3BFetdCwIdrL__-A&mra=pd&mrcr=0&sll=34.138682,-117.29466&sspn=0.452386,0.890579&safe=on&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=12)

CB channel:
14
FRMS/GRMS channel:
15 (bring two radios to share with a CB equipped rig)
2M HAM:
UY simplex primary 146.430MHZ
Keller peak 146.385+ 146.2
Lake Arrowhead 145.240- 118.8
Crestline 146.850- 146.2
Big Bear 147.330+ 131.8
Rodman(Johnson Valley) 147.885- 151.4
70CM HAM:
as needed

Requirements:
-flashlights if you want to explore mines
-some form of communications other then cell phone
-working reliable truck this is not a recovery run
-food/water/ice chest if needed
-recovery points front and rear
-tools
-spare within 3" of your other tires
-31" tires

Additional required items for full participation:
-Reservations at each camp site prior to arrival
-sliders
-33" tires
-rear locker

Range requirement:
~100 miles offroad give or take with plenty of opportunity to fill up each day with a side trip into town. Take this as a easy packing trip with frequent re-supply's or as a practice run for a real expo and pack to be self sufficient


Camp fire permit:
Camp fire permit download (http://www.ultimateyota.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=10342.msg105845;topicseen#new)


day 1: easy (vehicle Damage Unlikely)
cleghorn (http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/Cleghorn_Ridge_Trail)
pilot rock (http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/Pilot_Rock_Truck_Trail)
arrowhead trails (http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/Lake_Arrowhead)
Camp at North Shore? (http://www.recreation.gov/camping/North_Shore_Ca/r/campsiteCalendar.do?page=calendar&search=site&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=70604&topTabIndex=CampingSpot)
gas/food available in the town of arrowhead

day 2: Hard (vehicle Damage Probable)
dishpan (aka ball buster) (http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/Dishpan_Springs_Trail)
john bull (http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/John_Bull_Trail)
other trails as time permits (http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/Big_Bear)
alternate routes available for stock rigs
Camp at Gray peaks? (http://www.recreation.gov/camping/Grays_Peak_Group_Camp/r/campsiteCalendar.do?page=calendar&search=site&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=70174&topTabIndex=CampingSpot)
gas/food available in the town of big bear

day 3: Moderate (Vehicle Damage Possible)
jacoby canyon (http://www.backcountry4x4.com/SC4x4TBigBearJacobyCanyon.html)
heartbreak ridge (http://rides.webshots.com/album/384076006LUOqAY)
pontiac sluice (http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/Pontiac_Sluice)
rattle snake canyon (http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/Rattle_Snake_Canyon)
alternate routes available for stock rigs
Gas available in Lucerne Valley. This is a ways away so dont plan on coming out on fumes.

limit:
for camping purpose the limit is 4 vehicles (more planing available for larger numbers)
1.Troy
2.JD and fam?
3.Sean and wifey?
4.

Cleghorn http://www.ritualsuicide.com/explorer/Cleghorn_6-30_2.jpg

pilot rock http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc33/Fjamming/PilotRock2008/PilotRock2008037.jpg

Dishpan springs http://www.expeditionexchange.com/bbrr3/DSC06220.jpg

heart break ridge http://www.tacodawg.net/images/Trips/2006/070106Rattlesnake/IMG_0208.jpg

[Crinale]

damn that sounds fun! iv been wanting to run some of those for a long time.. whats the time frame you would be thinking for this? cuz obviously i need to get my engine/tranny swapped first.. but if its far enough away that i can get that taken care of I am DEFINITELY interested :-D

[troyboy162]

late spring early summer id say. just enough so the snow is melted off and the days arent too chilly.

[strykersd]

I'm interested too! There are a handful of trails that you mentioned that I've been wanting to check out.

[Marc P]

Sounds very interesting.

[troyboy162]

glad to hear some people would like this. i think it would be fun. steve knows of a forum that has already done a similar run, but i dont know the details. i drew out a rough path on google earth for reference.
http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww234/troyboy162/berdino.jpg

[Crinale]

im very interested... cuz ill be pissed if my 4runner isnt back on the road by then :-D

[L33T35T Tacoma]

I'm in

[Seanz0rz]

i am very interested

i might skip JB and meet you guys and the east end of the trail. im sick of jb.

[Scuba]

The "best offroad truck" is sick of John Bull?
hmm...



Anyway.
Here's an excerpt from SCTC..
"The Whole Bernardino was the club's successful attempt to run every major trail in the San Bernardino Mountain Range from the Cleghorn to Old Woman Springs near Johnson Valley! It was a wonderful time! The pictures are from Cleghorn, Pilot Rock, 2N17X, Willow Creek, Dishpan Springs, Gold Mountain, John Bull, White Mountain, Jacoby Canyon, Pontiac Slice, Rattlesnake Canyon with the bit of 3N16 and 2N02 tossed in!"


Their pics are here
http://www.socaltaco.com/images/thumbnails.php?album=34

[Seanz0rz]

sorry scuba, i think im done bashing my truck on the rocks all the time. doesnt mean i wouldnt do the trail (ive never done it east to west, same with gold mountain or dishpan). id be more inclined to do jb i have new gears or new tires by then.

[troyboy162]

hmm jacoby canyon....that actualy figures in great! its gonna make for a super long day though haha.

[troyboy162]

oh and that brings up a good discussion. including rattlesnake will make for a better run but dump participants out in lucerne valley. going the rest of the way to yucca valley will be just dirt roads and a drive through pioneer town.

the other thing is the lytle creek divide road. id have to check and make sure its not gated. its super easy id bet but it should have nice veiws.

the other tricky part is fitting these all in withing three days and concluding each day at a camp site without backtracking

[Seanz0rz]

oh and that brings up a good discussion. including rattlesnake will make for a better run but dump participants out in lucerne valley. going the rest of the way to yucca valley will be just dirt roads and a drive through pioneer town.

the other thing is the lytle creek divide road. id have to check and make sure its not gated. its super easy id bet but it should have nice veiws.

the other tricky part is fitting these all in withing three days and concluding each day at a camp site without backtracking


plan for two major trails a day. for example, Cleghorn, Pilot Rock, 2n17x and willow creek can be completed in one, VERY LONG day. that leaves us right around the beginning of dishpan, im not aware of any camps there, but maybe we can find a primitive site or the like.

from there we can run dishpan and white mountain, and john bull for another very long day. we could then camp at holcomb valley camp, thats a bit of a back track though. then the last day do gold mountain, jacoby canyon and out to yucca valley.

i vote skip white mountain and jacoby canyon. white mountain is boring, jacoby is awesome but a bit out of the way (since its basically north of gold mountain, requiring a return trip on the highway or going back up gold mountain.

ill post more tonight.

[some_odd_girl]

I want to come along! Maybe I'll be able to drive by then. :D

[Scuba]

Troy, We've done Cleg, Pilot (2n17X), and Dishpan all in one day. If we didn't stop for 1/2 hour at the end of cleg as well as about 1.5 hours to help Jamie change a CV we would have been done with Dishpan by 6. And that spits you out into crab flats I believe. We could make it over to the big campsite we had during TTORA BB09 near holcomb valley. The next morning we would have to back track maybe 1 mile to get to JB west, exit that and head to gold mountain. After gold we could head to Tip Top and camp. Then do Pontiac, and rattlesnake the next day...

Moral of the story, its not hard to do Cleg, pilot and dishpan in one day. Provided we don't have any long hold ups.

[troyboy162]

i hear ya but tacking on 1.5 hours for lytle divide may be out and a large turn out of new drivers/break downs may make dishpan a all day affair. looks really like theres no way around long days, but shifting trails should balence it better. also two groups will help with getting everyone through. just a hour between groups will make it all flow better. thinking of a faster group behind so everyone bunches up at the end of the days runs

[Crinale]

sounds good to me... also sounds like i want to bring at least 2 spare cv's :-P. iv gotten pretty fast at changing them though, with the Aisin hubs i dont have to remove those damn cone washers anymore! :thumbup:

[troyboy162]

and limiting straps and no-more wheel/droop/turn/skinny pedal haha. that and we will adjust your throttle so it dosnt go past 1/4 open :hillbill:

[Seanz0rz]

http://www.expeditionportal.com/overlandroutes/index.php?title=Cajon_Pass_to_Johnson_Valley

ExPo has some information. that particular trail has holcomb creek on it. that trail will be closed until at least memorial day, so we probably wont hit it this time around.

ive been up on alot of the roads near lytle creek, i wasnt impressed. nice views but otherwise just graded dirt roads, much like 3n16. im not sure if these are the same roads you are referring to though, its been about 4 years since i was up there.

if we could make the end of dishpan by day 1, that would be huge. from there john bull and gold mountain, though not sure where we could camp from there besides round valley or juniper springs group camps.

i would prefer campgrounds. alexus isnt super keen on the bucket idea...

[troyboy162]

yeah the two ends of the run (lytle and punching out to yucca valley) are really up for debate. lytle like you said is just nice veiws as far as i have read and skipping rattlesnake to head to yucca is just purly to truly clear the range east to west and adds nothing more really. although i thought it would make the return trip for everone south better.

[Scuba]

Eh. I'd rather hit mottino at the end. But thats just me.

[troyboy162]

i know i would too but how many others are gonna want to? and how many of those will you tow and tug up through there after 2.5 long days of wheeling? unless its me/you/bill/scott id save it for another day.

camp grounds are the only option i see as well. we squatted a site last time without a true permitt and i dont see that as an option with a larger group. sean brings a good point too that lady folk dont want to dig a hole and i assume this will be a family oriented trip.

[Seanz0rz]

if we have less than 8 vehicles, group camps are a great idea i think. tent peg is immediately at the end of dishpan for night 1, and juniper springs near the end of day 2.

if we limit to 8 vehicles, then that is definitely a possibility. im not sure how strict they are on their enforcement of the 8 vehicle rule, but i dont really want to find out either. max is 40 people, that shouldnt be a problem, as most of us will be 2 to a vehicle.

[troyboy162]

hmmm its all in the trails per day...but everyone has such a different pace. this will be hard to judge until we see what and who is coming.

steve i dont dought that a fast moving, self spotting, team could punch all the way into big bear before sun down, but id guess cleg and pilot would be a full day for most. tacking on lytle divide would certainly make it a full day.

sean you had a good plan maped out let me throw out a list as well to get ideas going.

day 1:
lytle divide
cleg
pilot
arrowhead
camp in http://www.northshorecampground.com/

day 2
dishpan
jb backwards
camp at tanglewood

day 3
jacoby
heartbreak
pontiac
rattlesnake

i kinda dig that plan since it makes day 2 the "hard day" and that makes it easy for smaller open/open rigs to come along and just skip those and meet us at camp

[Seanz0rz]

wow i didnt know we were driving all the way up to reno!

troy, did you mean http://www.reserveamerica.com/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=NRSO&parkId=70604

that would be the "north shore" camp ground.

i like that plan. trails most likely to break stuff on the 2nd day, and only two of them so if we get stuck on the trail fixing cv's, it wont be so bad. the only question, are we under 8 vehicles for tanglewood?

[DHC6twinotter]

That sounds like an awesome trip. Too bad I'm on the east coast. :chair:

[Crinale]

That sounds like an awesome trip. Too bad I'm on the east coast. :chair:


start planning ur trip! you could rent a jeep cherokee 4x4 and come along :-P

[Seanz0rz]

Ya Dan!!! Just get the extra insurance!!!


We will have to see how my trans is doing by then too. Not sure if it is ok or not.

[DHC6twinotter]

hmmm...I do have an extra week of vacation now. I need to find out when the deadline to use it is.

I just need to hurry up and move out there. :hillbill:

[Crinale]

:good:

[Scuba]

Troy. The name of this run is supposed to be "The Whole Bernardino."

:D

[troyboy162]

how about "takin the whole Bernardino"? sick basterd haha

[Seanz0rz]

deepthroating the whole bernardino?

maybe not...

[troyboy162]

deepthroating the whole bernardino?

maybe not...

sean your sopposed to be domesticated now lol.

[Seanz0rz]

nah, it went the other way instead. i am slowly corrupting my bride to be.

on another note, i just replaced O2 sensors, so hopefully ill start getting more than 10 mpg...

[Scuba]

WOW. I meant "the whole bernardino" with no puns intended. Y'all need to get your minds out of the gutter.

[NakSuKow]

I am in. Just don't let me turn the wheels to full lock.

[troyboy162]

I am in. Just don't let me turn the wheels to full lock.

you and me both...lost a cv on gold mtn today. yes i said gold mtn steve haha. full turn/full droop/locked and the smallest about of wheel spin. before you know it it grabs traction and "ping"

this should be a great run. im gonna have to do alot of video taping

[Scuba]

you and me both...lost a cv on gold mtn today. yes i said gold mtn steve haha. full turn/full droop/locked and the smallest about of wheel spin. before you know it it grabs traction and "ping"

this should be a great run. im gonna have to do alot of video taping


Really Troy? REALLY.

I'm disappointed.

[troyboy162]

when i heard the noise. i thought to myself "really truck, REALLY?" it was probably cracked or something. i mean it was bad conditions but i was just barly at like 1500 rpm

[Crinale]

lol, make that me 3... dont let me turn full lock either, although i plan to bring 2 spare cv's with me anyway...

[troyboy162]

so requirements for this run should be per trail huh?


JB 33" sliders rear locker?
dish 32" sliders rear locker?
pontiac/heartbreak 31" R locker or 33" open/open?

everything else is stock friendly that i can think of with bypasses for the bigger trucks

[Crinale]

sounds about right from what iv heard.. mm i cant wait for this trip! i need to get working on my engine swap..

[Scuba]

I say we do 32's and 1 locker minimum for the whole run.

[troyboy162]

its tempting and ideal to have everyone ready to run JB and dish with us but i couldnt exclude someone from 3 days of outdoor fun just because of a couple trails on day 2.

im gonna start building the first post up with info

[NakSuKow]

Do we have a date yet?

[Seanz0rz]

Do we have a date yet?


my blackout dates: march 11-april 7 (finals then our wedding), may 25-june 10 (finals) other than that, im good for just about every day.


my vote is the weekend april 29-may 2.

[some_odd_girl]

I'm pretty sure April 29-May 2 will be finals for me. I'll have to check that...

[troyboy162]

whats a guess on snow melt date? also several of the trails are closed in winter...

april 29th will be pushing it for me as far as when im due to leave again.

mid april?

[Seanz0rz]

Yeah maybe April 15.


For snow melting, I'm going with mid April for trails to be clear and mid may for the majority of it to be gone and for it to not be freezing cold at night. Let me check some data later and I'll update. It all depends on the snow we get this winter and what kind of spring we have.

ive confirmed mostly what i said above. its going to be fricken cold in april and potentially snow on the upper trails like JB. should be fun...

[some_odd_girl]

It's still pretty cold in April. When I was on my geo trip in Owen's valley last April it got down to 19 F at night.

[troyboy162]

dang this one might not work out for me, but i wont know until i get the schedule in 4 monthes.

[Crinale]

it better troy! ur the one organizing it :-P

[troyboy162]

haha it can go on without me, no worries. if its a warm spring all should be good but no telling until closer

[some_odd_girl]

But it would be sad for it to happen without you! Haha.

[L33T35T Tacoma]

My birthday is April 14th, would be a great birthday party!

[troyboy162]

heres dishpan jan 2nd two years ago...april should be good. also bigbear reports april average highs as 57 and lows as 28. thats not too bad. if it swings cold it might stink but...its cali...the sun will be out all day long and be nice
Dishpan Springs - Snow Run - Lake Arrowhead CA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db66fNK7suI#)

[Scuba]

dang this one might not work out for me, but i wont know until i get the schedule in 4 monthes.


Might be better with me leading. You always seem to get us lost. :flipoff:

[troyboy162]

haha because im too dependent on the gps, but this time ill draw a line and just follow it

[rivethead242]

this sounds like a great idea! i would love to participate in this. kinda hard to make definite plans this far out as school is hard to predict. but ill be keeping my eyes peeled for updates on this thread.

[troyboy162]

updated with a date... its still flexable but this looks to work for most so far.
it should be a good convoy and alot of fun

[Seanz0rz]

i should be able to make that as long as my class load isnt too bad. i will have to wait until the first week of april to confirm though.

thanks for a date!

[troyboy162]

i hope you can make it Sean. ive only been on one run(dishpan down) with you in 3 years?..unacceptable lol

[Seanz0rz]

lol i know.

this is really the first time i have been on the site on a proper computer in days! this school schedule is KILLING me, nearly every day im here for 8 hours or more, one day im here for 12. and driving an hour each way... i want my fricken life back! i get home and go to bed, wake up, shower, eat breakfast, and drive to school! its madness i tell you! madness! on top of it all we are trying to get all the loose ends tucked up for the wedding.

both the wife and i will try our best to make it! i havent been on dirt since august! (pismo does not count...)

[troyboy162]

bad news.... i cant find any civilized camping open that early in the season...

both nights of camping will be near towns. you think a bathroom run into town will be enough for the ladies?

[Seanz0rz]

ohhh, probably not... mine has expressed concern about using the bathroom midday as well. hopefully they will give in. i do have an awfully nice shelter, seat, bags, chemicals, etc.

seems like everything on the mountain opens memorial day at the end of may. i thought a couple of the campgrounds were "year round" crab flats maybe? what about the group camps?

[troyboy162]

i havnt had any luck finding anything but havnt given up yet. there has got to be something open.

[Seanz0rz]

i know serano is year round, but that is hardly camping with showers and all, plus it is WAY away from any of the trails.

[NakSuKow]

Last day seems a little tame. Maybe a detour through "the wash" is in order.

[troyboy162]

haha i was already thinking maybe part of the group doubles back after we see the main group to the end of rattlesnake. depends on the time i soppose but that sure was a great day up there with you and steve!

[Smiling_Jim]

With some good luck, my rig might be back together for this trip. I would sure like to join you guys...

Who is signed up so far?

[Seanz0rz]

we would love to have you jim! its been a LONG time since ive had the pleasure of sharing a trail with you!

i am a 90% in right now. it will really depend on available funds and my course load, but i see no major reason i shouldnt be able to make it.

[Crinale]

i am definitely in.. i should have a working off-road worthy truck within a month.. Are we certain on the dates or are they still subject to change? cuz i need to make sure i have the days off from work

[troyboy162]

jim!! good to see you on the internet outside of horrific youtube videos!! so glad your ok. there is alot of interest on this one but being so far out i think we only have 3-4 rigs for sure.

dates arnt set in stone but i think they are working for the majority right now. anyone have objection to setting these dates in stone?

camping still isnt worked out. not sure if we will have to resort to primitive camping and seeking out the right permits.

[some_odd_girl]

So what are the tentative dates again? I saw a April 29-May 2 suggestion as well as a mid-April suggestion...

[Seanz0rz]

title of the thread has it so far, april 15-17, 2011.

[Crinale]

i just checked, and april 15-17 would be PERFECT for me.. thats the first weekend of my spring break! :thumbup: i havent seen any opposition to these dates, so i think we should solidify em.

[some_odd_girl]

...I just checked, and of COURSE I have a test in my ONE class for Friday the 15th. *headdesk*

[Scuba]

With the dates above, thats a BIG maybe for me. Thats 3 weeks after I get back from spring break and start Math 110 and History 101. Not to mention its only 2 weeks after AZrocks.

[troyboy162]

im out haha. ill be gone before this one comes up. oh well the job puts gas in my tank when i do get to wheel

[Crinale]

ok, so how many people would actually be able to go on this April 15-17.. i really wanna do this, and i dont have a problem with other weeks.. when WOULD work for everyone?

[Scuba]

im out haha. ill be gone before this one comes up. oh well the job puts gas in my tank when i do get to wheel


OH COME ON!!!!

Its okay. Like I said it wouldn't be very great timing for me either.
You still down for AZ rocks?

[Seanz0rz]

this weekend is best for me. any earlier and its too close to my wedding, later and it starts to screw with midterms

[some_odd_girl]

I think I'm out of this one, I've got too much going on during that time. Oh well.

[NakSuKow]

im out haha. ill be gone before this one comes up. oh well the job puts gas in my tank when i do get to wheel


Isn't this your run?

[troyboy162]

yes lol i just have a nutty job. ive had to cancel alot of plans haha. ive been trying to go to death valley for two years now

[Smiling_Jim]

So TB, who will take this over for you? We wanna do this trip, but we need a trail boss!

[troyboy162]

anybody who wants to. i have some google earth stuff for anyone who needs them. the camping arrangments have never been sorted though. it seems its too early in the season for the toilet camp sites to be open.

[Seanz0rz]

someone needs to plan this thing, guess it will have to be me. dont expect much planning...

looks like most people have major issues with the dates.

what other dates work for you guys? putting it more toward summer opens up more campground opportunities, and it wont be sooooo cold at night. lets get some suggestions for dates and then i might start a new thread with a poll to figure out who can make it when.

how does the first weekend in may sound? ill have to look when some of the campsites open, but i think this is the date for alot of them. some i know open up on memorial day weekend, a weekend you do not want to be in the mountains...

troy, can you please email me the information you have collected. you should have my email, otherwise PM me.


lets get this going, im excited to get back on the trails!

[troyboy162]

email sent. cant wait to see the pictures from this one!

[troyboy162]

i take that back it was rejected. can you send your current email?

[Seanz0rz]

looks like the group camp sites are closed well into may.

the regular sites open up april 28 or so, making a first weekend of may trip sound mighty good.

how does april 29, 30, and may 1 sound? or may 6-8? post up! ill probably restart this thread so i have the capability to edit the first post, etc.

[Crinale]

crap.. i already requested april 15-17 off :P

[Seanz0rz]

we can keep the dates, it just seemed like alot of people couldnt do that date, and camping will be more difficult as well.

[Crinale]

we can keep the dates, it just seemed like alot of people couldnt do that date, and camping will be more difficult as well.


well it doesnt matter now.. i cant figure out what is going on with my 4runner, so its still not running anyway, im out.

[Seanz0rz]

thanks for bumping this thread.

sorry to hear you are out, and sorry to hear you are selling the rigs. hopefully you can get back into it soon.

this trip is tentatively for may 6-9. campgrounds will be open, etc.

ill post up soon when i know a little more details on it.

[Crinale]

Thanks Sean.. ya ill be back in it.. Im too addicted to leave 4wheeling for good.

[Seanz0rz]

i vote this whole event gets pushed back to summer time.

hopefully troy will be back, people will be more willing to come for the better weather in the mountains, and hopefully everyone will get their vehicles in working condition.

i dont have the time or energy to go planning this trip right now.

if someone else wants to take over, be my guest. i can send you info on it.

[Crinale]

sounds like a good plan Sean.

[troyboy162]

Thinking of bringing this back from the dead with a date of may 17-19th.....

[Seanz0rz]

sounds good to me...

[troyboy162]

good deal

same issues as before with route planing and long days, but at least the camp sites will be open.

[L33T35T Tacoma]

:popcorn:

[Jaydee914]

I'm in - sounds like a lot of fun!

[troyboy162]

nice! JD you have sliders now right? John bull and dishpan are some of the harder trails outside the hammers. We used to do both 33" tires and open/open but I think they are both a bit harder now.

[Seanz0rz]

i will be bypassing JB. I've seen enough $$$ slip through my fingers on that trail.

[Jaydee914]

I do have sliders and a set of lightweight skids. I'm up for a challenge but we'll see about those 2.

[troyboy162]

research them a bit. Dishpan has one obstical thats note worthy called ball buster or "the waterfall" I havnt been up it in a while but the last pictures I saw made it look like the easy line had a new bolder in the way.
this is ball buster and the easy line is on the right in the first pic
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/showthread.php/22545-Dishpan-Action

JB has three about three real obsticals but is over all rougher

[Jaydee914]

Not sure my rig is manly enough. I might need to follow Sean around or grab a passenger seat.

[troyboy162]

sounds good. I should have seat open. I cant wait to go!

[Crinale]

My Taco isn't ready for those trails yet :( I really need to get on that

[Seanz0rz]

is your taco even ready for Mojave?

[paddlenbike]

Wow, that section of trail has gotten ugly. I did it in an unlocked Xtra Cab with 32" tires years ago, but it looked nothing like that. Seems to happen to all of the trails I like--when they're challenging for "stockers with lockers," it apparently also starts to become entertaining for the buggies. Then they tear it up.

[Jaydee914]

We'll need to find a place for Sean, Kevin and me to retrieve our rigs after the challenging day, or for us to meet up with you afterwards!

[troyboy162]

so far no one else is going that would be interested in those trails. In that case we could pavement pound to Big bear and mess around on more of the easier trails there for fun. I could kill a day on the green/blue trails there no problem.

[Marc P]

I am going to do my best to make this run....never been to BB in the 3rd gen

Crap..17th is my wifes B-Day..good luck!

How about the weekend before or after?

[troyboy162]

weekend earlier is too soon for me and weekend after is memorial day weekend where you wouldnt want to camp or wheel in BB unless you had to.

Just meet her in arrowhead or big bear for a late dinner :)

[kafene]

Damn... what is this 2 to 3 years in the making?! LOL. I'm gonna check my schedule to see if I can possibly do this!

[troyboy162]

haha yup its been a long time since this first was posted. I hope this is the year it happens. It should be alot of fun. Not as good as MR but a lot closer.

We are gonna visit this place:
http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww234/troyboy162/39757_1585001943713_7517747_n.jpg

[Crinale]

Sean - yes my truck is ready for Mojave... but with stock armor, open diffs, and 31s there is NO possible way I could do Dishpan let alone JB... I loved Dishpan, and really want to do it again, but my truck won't be ready for that for a while... I need gears, lockers, and tires first. only about 3 grand worth of stuff XD unless I get lucky on some 5.29s on ttora or similar

[Seanz0rz]

Still a go?

[troyboy162]

hells yeah! Cant wait!

[Jaydee914]

hells yeah! Cant wait!


Yes!!! Can't wait!

[troyboy162]

I have my day off approved!

[Jaydee914]

I don't think I'm going to be able to make the Friday portion of this trip, as I probably can't take another full day off from work. I'll have to meet up with you guys on the trail Friday evening or at the first campsite (unless you want to make day 1 a night run?).

[troyboy162]

That very well might be possible. This one was such a long range planning one that I don't know who's still interested. Sean are you going to make it?

[Seanz0rz]

I plan on making it! I think Dan is planning to ride with me. Lexi doesn't like rocks!

I am pretty much game for anything, though I am unsure about JB.

[troyboy162]

What time do you think you could make it to the trail head JD? Cleghorn and pilot rock can be quike or long depending on the turn offs we do.

[Seanz0rz]

i believe all of the good cleghorn stuff is closed off now. At least the ranger about 4 years ago said that was going to happen very soon. I haven't been since.

anyone else coming?!

[Jaydee914]

I could probably be out there by about 5. Or I could meet you guys somewhere on the trail.
I've always wanted to do Pilot Rock - was that on the schedule for Friday as well?
Whatever happens though, I'm psyched for!

[Crinale]

Wish I could join you all :(

[troyboy162]

Jd that sounds doable for a meet up at pilot rock at 530ish. The trail head is right at the dam on silverwood lake. Sean are you still able to have friday off? We could adjust fire and push things back a bit.

Cleghorn still has some of its side trails closed although people have re-opened them to the point that you would never know they were closed. It still has some challenging terrain open, but I think the views are now the best part of it.

[Seanz0rz]

So far I have Friday off. I don't foresee starting a job in the next 2 weeks, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it.

just give me a place and time, and we'll be there!

[Seanz0rz]

So what is the latest list of trails and camp sites?

[troyboy162]

Haven't had time to work on the planing for a bit but meeting JD at pilot rock sounds good. With just guys our camp ground needs have changed so i might put some yellow post sites in. They are limited to two trucks so I'll look for ones close together.

[Seanz0rz]

Troy, do you have a valid fire permit? I didn't do one yet this year.

edit, never mind I found it on ExPo. http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/77015-2012-USFS-California-Campfire-Permit-link-amp-PDF?p=1281735#post1281735

good through the end of 2013 FYI.

[troyboy162]

just have to print one out. I will try to get things finalized this week. Most likley changing to primitive camping.

[Seanz0rz]

sounds good. Let me know about the camping. I will bring firewood if we are at a camp spot. if not, I will bring extra propane for my little stove!

[Jaydee914]

I'll bring some firewood too...
And beer.

How many trucks do we have?

[Jaydee914]

Don't hold me to this, but there's a chance that I could be out there earlier than I previously thought - possibly by 3ish. Are you guys planning to still do Cleghorn first, or are you just heading straight to Pilot Rock?
Would you be able to meet up earlier, if I can make it (I won't know till Friday morning - it all depends on how much I get done at work this week), or would you just prefer to set a solid 5:30 meet time at Pilot?

[Seanz0rz]

Troy, I'd be down for a cleghorn run on the way to meet JD at pilot rock, or if he could make cleghorn. There are some nice views, and it will get us to that all important "whole" bernardino status...

I'll be ready to roll by 12pm Friday, and will just be hanging out until I need to leave either to meet at cleghorn or at pilot rock.

[troyboy162]

Everything sounds good! Sean let shoot for cleg at 1245 and shift to 3pm if JD can make it. Both cleg and Pilot can be run slow or fast depending on the routes so I think it should work out good either way to bring us into camp at a decent hour. I'll try to iron out some camp sites. Nothing has showers that I know of so I would prefer to primitive camp but yellow post sites may not work out. I'll try to figure it out tonight or tomorrow.

[Seanz0rz]

Ok. Are we doing the willow springs trail (links pilot rock with dishpan)? I think there maybe places along there to camp. I will look also, since I have nothing better to do.

Do you have GPS tracks for that area as well? It can be a bit confusing getting from pinnacles staging area to the start of dishpan.

[troyboy162]

yes I had figured in entering the arrowhead trails at the pinnicals and I think that means willow springs. I have been looking at the camping situation...Friday night is going to be a long night so I think just crashing somewhere not at a campground/yellow post would be good. That means no camp fire but we should be pretty beat anyhow. I'll google earth for a open area as well possibly down by the creek??.

Saturday night there is a couple yellow post sites on the north west side of big bear lake that looks good. If the weather is good(no wind) I would like to push for tip top mountain instead. The more I think about the yellow post sites the more I dont think we will have issue with three vehicals. The sites are large and I think the rule is more to keep from bomb fire keggars happening. What ranger would care if three non-teenagers are enjoying the campfire?

[Jaydee914]

Ok, now I'm really excited. This is going to be an EPIC weekend! I hope I don't slow you guys down too much...

[DHC6twinotter]

It'll be good to see everyone again!

[Jaydee914]

Troy, do you have a location for the meet up point for Pilot Rock?

[troyboy162]

http://goo.gl/maps/JoQ2p we can meet up there. its just a stone throw from the trail head and a nice area to hang out to boot.

[Jaydee914]

Great! I'll see you there at some point of Friday. I should know by mid-morning Friday what time I'll be able to get out and meet up with you guys.

[Seanz0rz]

I will not be bringing firewood. If y'all want a fire, bring yer own!

[troyboy162]

haha no worries. I'll see if I can fit a few logs in mine.

[Jaydee914]

I've got a small bundle that we didn't go through on the Mojave trip... and a sawzall. We should be set!

[Jaydee914]

Dan, are you coming?

[DHC6twinotter]

Yeah, I'll be riding with Sean.