Where to find complete Timing belt/water pump kit?

[L33T35T Tacoma]

Title says it all. It's about that time to the timing belt, and of course all the pulleys, water pump, etc that's in that general area. I was looking for a COMPLETE kit.

I found these on eBay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aisin-TKT005-Timing-Belt-Component-Kit-/250755551787?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a6232122b#ht_2566wt_939

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330498668967&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123#ht_7592wt_939

The second one obviously has a lot more. I guess my question is, are there any reputable companies out there that sell these kits already put together?

Should I do the crankshaft and camshaft seals while I'm in there? They're included in the second listing.

Lastly, is $240 a good price for that complete kit in the second listing?

Thanks

[slosurfer]

I used these guys, but I think I went OEM waterpump and thermostat

http://www.store.partsdinosaur.com/page75.html

[L33T35T Tacoma]

Also, I added up all the exact same parts (as the second listing) on www.toyotapartszone.com (http://www.toyotapartszone.com) and it came to $434.33 +tax/shipping!

[fenrisx]

I bought my kit off eBay from 'aircabinman'. I looks identical to the second link you posted, but I paid $288! Your second eBay link looks like the winner to me!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-4Runner-V6-Timing-Belt-Water-Pump-Kit-3-4L-/190488321298?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model:4Runner&hash=item2c59fd1d12#ht_1556wt_939

If you want to drive over and do mine while you're at it.. I'll let you! The dealer is wanting $895 in labor to do everything in that kit.

[YotaFun]

I bought the kit Fenrisx linked to.

I work at a dealer and my cost alone fore the parts minus the drive belts was over $350!

This kit is all OEM parts, I matched every part number to what is in the Toyota Parts system, I am hopefully doing mine tomorrow.

[L33T35T Tacoma]

Those two kits look exactly the same, with one minor difference. The power steering belt mentioned in my second listing is 4PK1065B but the listing fenrisx is 4PK1070. Difference?

Also, both kits mentioned are listed for a 4runner. I own a Tacoma. I emailed the seller (for the second listing) in November and he said it will work for my 4runner, I'm just worried about the power steering belt. I guess if worse came to worse I could run to my local Kragen and grab a belt there.

[YotaFun]

I know the second one to be just fine I had the number crossed checked at the dealer.
I think the second might supersede the first.
Yes, as long as you have the 3.4l the kit should be exactly the same.

[Crinale]

jason, toyota isnt retarded like ford :-P a 5vz is a 5vz is a 5vz.. where as ford put different parts on the same 4.0 v6 depending on model.. when we changed the engine in my brother's 04 ranger, we bought an exploder engine since it was cheap, and the intake manifold was a completely different design! im so glad i have a yota..

[fenrisx]

However, not that it's relevant, but a 3VZ-E isn't a 3VZ-FE isn't a 3VZ-E.. lol.

[CJM]

However, not that it's relevant, but a 3VZ-E isn't a 3VZ-FE isn't a 3VZ-E.. lol.


3VZ-FE is an AWESOME engine, I had a camry with one and that sucker was FAST. Total high revving insane engine.

[MTL_4runner]

IMHO all those kits you linked to should work perfectly fine for the job. The key is to match up the OEM supplier brands and it looked like all the kits did that quite well (few parts in the first 2 kits had non OEM brands but the major parts were correctly matched). Given that the job is fairly involved I would just spend the money on the last kit (below) which has ALL the correct parts and is the most comprehensive.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-4Runner-V6-Timing-Belt-Water-Pump-Kit-3-4L-/190488321298?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model:4Runner&hash=item2c59fd1d12#ht_1556wt_939

[Crinale]

However, not that it's relevant, but a 3VZ-E isn't a 3VZ-FE isn't a 3VZ-E.. lol.

somewhat correct.. block is the same, but the 3vz-e is the only sohc v6 toyota has ever built :-P so the heads are all wrong

[L33T35T Tacoma]

Given that the job is fairly involved I would just spend the money on the last kit (below) which has ALL the correct parts and is the most comprehensive.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-4Runner-V6-Timing-Belt-Water-Pump-Kit-3-4L-/190488321298?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model:4Runner&hash=item2c59fd1d12#ht_1556wt_939


Any reason you chose this "kit" over the second kit I orignally posted?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310279793461#ht_7592wt_905

From what I can tell the two are EXACTLY the same, except the one I posted is 48 bucks cheaper.

[MTL_4runner]

From what I can tell the two are EXACTLY the same, except the one I posted is 48 bucks cheaper.




They aren't exactly the same but they are close.

The kit I linked to has a two major benefits:

Idler/tensioner bearings are NSK / Koyo (OEM) - Other kit may have GMB (works, but not as good)
Thermostat is Kuzeh (OEM) - Other is Motorad (not OEM, some have had issues with this brand)


Having done the job several times, I can tell you these items are worth the extra $48 IMHO.
Don't foret to value your labor when looking at parts prices.

[L33T35T Tacoma]

Thanks, I didn't catch that. I was just looking at the part numbers. How can stuff with the same part number be made by a different manufacturer? Or are they just listing OEM part numbers?

[MTL_4runner]

Thanks, I didn't catch that. I was just looking at the part numbers. How can stuff with the same part number be made by a different manufacturer? Or are they just listing OEM part numbers?


Short answer is yes, all automakers usually have more than one supplier for a given part. Also just because a vendor references the Toyota P/N doesn't mean it is the actual part you'd get from the dealer (this is where knowing who makes the OEM parts becomes important......as seen above).

[Erich_870]

my MIL's timing belt fiasco has scared me straight, so I'm going to take care of my over due timing belt before I find myself in the same situation. Is there a reason the kit MTL_Runner listed would fit only a limited 99? Have the SR5 (Cali) and it doesn't come up as compatible...

Erich

[MTL_4runner]

my MIL's timing belt fiasco has scared me straight, so I'm going to take care of my over due timing belt before I find myself in the same situation. Is there a reason the kit MTL_Runner listed would fit only a limited 99? Have the SR5 (Cali) and it doesn't come up as compatible...

Erich


Erich, the main components of that kit should fit all 5VZ-FE motors in 4runners 1996-2002. The only differences I could see might be the ascessory belts but you could check with the dealer for part numbers on those and make sure you're getting the right sizes.

[Erich_870]

Erich, the main components of that kit should fit all 5VZ-FE motors in 4runners 1996-2002. The only differences I could see might be the ascessory belts but you could check with the dealer for part numbers on those and make sure you're getting the right sizes.


Looks like they updated their listing and now my rig is included, so I'm ordering it today. :thumbup:

I got my block heater in the mail last week and will order new plug wires and new O2 sensors today as well. :clap:

Erich

[Erich_870]

Well, had my new timing belt installed yesterday along with new cats, plugs/wires and I had a block heater installed too.

My mechanic said I got to him just in time! :tapedshut: :tapedshut:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/Erich_870/Toyota%204Runner/2011-03-31115734.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/Erich_870/Toyota%204Runner/2011-03-31115521.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/Erich_870/Toyota%204Runner/2011-03-31115541.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/Erich_870/Toyota%204Runner/2011-03-31115602.jpg

The regained power with this tune up is awesome to feel! :clap:

Erich

[20005spd]

wow ERICH, how many miles on that tbelt? im sure all of those parts are original based on the amount of coolant gunk build up seen.

[Erich_870]

wow ERICH, how many miles on that tbelt? im sure all of those parts are original based on the amount of coolant gunk build up seen.


I know, I pushed it right to the edge. My rig has 142,500 miles.

Erich

[CJM]

Yea that belt looks like it was gonna snap!Also looks like yours was leaking some toyota red coolant from the waterpump.

I have almost 100k miles on mine and had to pull the t-belt to mess with the cams this past summer. Belt looked fine then and Im willing to bet it will be fine for quite awhile.

Btw, even using the special tool its quite a PAIN to get the belt on with the idler by the cams on there. I had to leave the idler off and put the belt on then FORCE the idler into the belt with the tool and start threading it.

PPS. Cut the cover around the upper rad hose, makes it SOOO much easier to get to everything and you dont have to pull the hose.

[Erich_870]

Yea that belt looks like it was gonna snap!Also looks like yours was leaking some toyota red coolant from the waterpump.


Yeah, my mechanic kept saying how lucky I was to replace it when I did. :loser:

Erich

[MTL_4runner]

Yeah, my mechanic kept saying how lucky I was to replace it when I did. :loser:

Erich


You were lucky to get it when you did because otherwise you would be looking at another thread I know all too well. ;)

[Crinale]

hah nice.. im wondering if thats what im gonna find when i replace mine this week.. no clue how old it is

[Erich_870]

You were lucky to get it when you did because otherwise you would be looking at another thread I know all too well. ;)


I thought the exact same thing when the mech. said I'd been leaking fluid for a while. :tapedshut:



hah nice.. im wondering if thats what im gonna find when i replace mine this week.. no clue how old it is


Get-R-Done! :hillbill:

Erich

[mastacox]

Nice, that timing belt is quit a sight :lol: You're taking your avatar to new heights! :wrenchin:

[Erich_870]

Nice, that timing belt is quit a sight :lol: You're taking your avatar to new heights! :wrenchin:


Hehe, what can I say? Why do today what you can put off for tomorrow?

Erich

[Crinale]

Hehe, what can I say? Why do today what you can put off for tomorrow?

Erich


why do today what you can get someone else to do tomorrow ;)

[20005spd]

wow ERICH, how many miles on that tbelt? im sure all of those parts are original based on the amount of coolant gunk build up seen.


I know, I pushed it right to the edge. My rig has 142,500 miles.

Erich
dam your lucky! what were you thinking? i felt bad about mine going over 100k i did mine at 105k. the service interval is 90k just FYI guys :flipoff: you might as well change it when its due, its basically the only thing you need to worry about on the 3.4L. just because you cant see cracks on the top does not mean there isnt little cracks on the bottom side with the teeth, and they can also stretch which you probably wont notice.

[mastacox]

Well it's not like it's REALLY dangerous... If the timing belt snaps you just have to tow it home and fix it then. Since it's a non-interference engine, you aren't really risking engine damage by putting off the timing belt service (although if the water pump goes you might have a problem).

[20005spd]

your right, but who likes getting stranded? could happen in the woods somewhere = not fun for you or the people who are stuck dragging your broken truck out of the woods from neglecting maintenance

[Erich_870]

your right, but who likes getting stranded? could happen in the woods somewhere = not fun for you or the people who are stuck dragging your broken truck out of the woods from neglecting maintenance


Yep, I agree. Now I can take the family on a road trip up to Anchorage and maybe Fairbanks this summer and not worry about it. :thumbup: We were going to do a winter trip, but this work and a new baby postponed it.

Erich

[YotaFun]

Just another FYI, originally the 96-98 4Runners had a belt interval of every 60K and then they changed to 90k in 99 up.
My original was changed at 76k, I didn't change it again till 176k, my belt appeared fine but I know it was stretch, it just didn't feel right.
Put the new belt on and the truck had some pep again thats for sure.

[CJM]

^ Hmm, Avy want to replace mine? Ill pay ya. :D

[YotaFun]

^ Hmm, Avy want to replace mine? Ill pay ya. :D


Its not that hard, without power tools we could get it done in a weekend.

[CJM]

Its not that hard, without power tools we could get it done in a weekend.


I have the tensioner tool too from the last time I had to mess with it (you recall the rag incident when the spark plug blew out right?).

One of these days I gotta do the t-belt, need a rear first tho.

[20005spd]

^ Hmm, Avy want to replace mine? Ill pay ya. :D


Its not that hard, without power tools we could get it done in a weekend.
weekend? i say a few hours with no air tools :wrenchin:

[CJM]

With us two and breaks im sure we could get it done in 3 hours or less. I already know how to remove 90% of it-its a long story.

[YotaFun]

Brian, I said WITH power tools "oh only should take me 2 hours"
5 hours later finally had the truck running, I know he keeps his engine bay more clean then mine but damn some of those nuts were like *&^% you to me

[DHC6twinotter]

Are the 3rd gen timing belts that much easier to replace than 2nd gens, or am I just really slow at 2nd gen timing belts? It took me 8 hours or so to do the timing belt on my 2nd gen. :confused:

My 3rd gen timing belt is due in the next year or so. 4Runner has 83k on it now.

[CJM]

Brian, I said WITH power tools "oh only should take me 2 hours"
5 hours later finally had the truck running, I know he keeps his engine bay more clean then mine but damn some of those nuts were like *&^% you to me


You know its clean lol. I had 90% of it off before when the cam ate that rag when the plug blew out (never making that mistake again) and every single bolt came out easy. Course I put never seize on them when I put them back in too lol.

[20005spd]

plug blew out and your cam ate a rag? :headscratch: what the hell did you do avy? haha just playn.


the 3.0 timing belt is more time consuming because there are a few more things that need to come out then the 3.4. it took me most of a saturday at work to do the 3.0 belt and less time to do the 3.4 but those were the first t belts ive ever done. biggest thing that holds you up is if the crank pulley is stuck on the crank. a decent crank pulley puller will usually fix that problem. then sometimes the threads you would use the puller on the crank are all rusted. bust out the tap set and retread the holes :shake: its all bs you know :D

[MTL_4runner]

Guys in the rust belt will usually need about double the time for the same job if stuff is in rough shape. Hose all the bolts down with PB blaster the night before and I find the job goes alot easier. Crank bolt is usually the worst part.

[CJM]

plug blew out and your cam ate a rag? :headscratch: what the hell did you do avy? haha just playn.


the 3.0 timing belt is more time consuming because there are a few more things that need to come out then the 3.4. it took me most of a saturday at work to do the 3.0 belt and less time to do the 3.4 but those were the first t belts ive ever done. biggest thing that holds you up is if the crank pulley is stuck on the crank. a decent crank pulley puller will usually fix that problem. then sometimes the threads you would use the puller on the crank are all rusted. bust out the tap set and retread the holes :shake: its all bs you know :D


It was me and he wasnt there to help except over the phone.

Was driving on day and noticed slight misfire, kept driving and it got really bad. Looked at it with my boss and we agreed I should go straight home (3 mile ride), 1/2 way back I start spewing oil and its smoking and im like wtf!

Get home, aftermath was the #2 plug on pass side blew out of the heatd, ate the coil to nothing and blew the seals on the valve cover. Got the repair kit, which is nothing more than a solid insert. Had the valve cover off to replace the seal, had to tap the hole for the insert so I did so, removed EFI relay and cranked away to blow anything left out. I left a rag I had on the plenum and after cranking it over a bit the rag managed to walk its way off the plenum into the waiting dual cam gears.

I had to remove the outer cam, didnt know one was spring loaded (FSM SUCKS btw for this, they dont describe it well imho), had to pick pieces of rag out of it for an hour. Then once that was done realized the other cam had moved cause I had to loosen it up to get cam #1 out.

Had to pick rag out of that one anyways, noticed everything was out of time slightly, had buy the special tool which BARELY moved the idler to allow me to put the idler for the cam setup back on (I forget why I removed it). I basically had to press down on the belt with the idler in my hand and hand thread it back on.

Then, then I realized the other cam (after confirming with Avy) was spring loaded, had to take it all apart again and fix that, didnt have special tool to move gears-found oil filter wrench (the plier type) worked, put it all back together and notice the valve cover cracked. Repair valve cover, repair doesnt hold, try to get one form junkyards-zilch. Find one on ebay for 100 bucks.

now it runs ok, there is still a VERY slight misfire that can be barely felt and there is no way in hell Im ever removing that plug and wire for any reason whatsoever unless it shoots out of the head again.

Best thing about it all: toyota was the last to do a tune up or anything under my hood about 60k before this happened. So that plug had 60k before it decided it wanted out. I have searched and only come up with other instance of this happening on a 3.4L and same plug too.

[YotaFun]

plug blew out and your cam ate a rag? :headscratch: what the hell did you do avy? haha just playn.


That was all him, I wasn't there for that one....



the 3.0 timing belt is more time consuming because there are a few more things that need to come out then the 3.4. it took me most of a saturday at work to do the 3.0 belt and less time to do the 3.4 but those were the first t belts ive ever done. biggest thing that holds you up is if the crank pulley is stuck on the crank. a decent crank pulley puller will usually fix that problem. then sometimes the threads you would use the puller on the crank are all rusted. bust out the tap set and retread the holes :shake: its all bs you know :D


Yeah the 3.4l is TONS easier the then 3.0 I think.
Also I had a huge breaker bar and I did a practice you probably shouldn't do but works really well.
I put the breaker bar on the battery side of the frame rail and taped the motor over with the key, and voila right off....
Obviously not a practice that you should use and I will probably be flamed for but it works...

[CJM]

I dont see anything wrong with that method, whatever works man. Ive done stranger things.

[Crinale]

iv done that too.. works really well

[MTL_4runner]

That's how mechanics at the dealer often break the bolt loose.

[DHC6twinotter]

Bump...what do you guys do about the tensioner? Is a press necessary to compress it, or can I use a C-clamp? I've got to do my timing belt sometime this spring, and I'm not sure what to do with that.

[rworegon]

A large C-clamp should work....I generally just pop it into the vice and give it a squeeze.

Of course, if you are replacing the tensioner you can skip this step.

[YotaFun]

Dan if your not replacing it, then get the little speacil service tool to push it back and then put the pin in it, otherwise if your going to take it out to compress it you might as well replace it cause it is a royal pain in the rear to get the tensioner out.

[CJM]

The tensioner tool does work but WOW I cranked it to the max and still had too much tension to put the top idler between the cams back in when I had the rag incident. I had to push down really hard and push the belt to get it all back together. I shoulda done the t-belt then too, was halfway there lol.

[DHC6twinotter]

Thanks guys. Is it recommended that I change the tensioner, or is that something I can reuse? Is a tensioner included with the ebay kits (link no longer works)?

[YotaFun]

How many miles are on you Runner again Dan?
I mean we do timing belts on the 3.4l all the time and rarely change it out.

[DHC6twinotter]

I have just over 92k on it.

I assume the tensioner tool is a dealer item?

[rworegon]

Tensioner included in both kits:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-3-4L-V6-Complete-Timing-Belt-Water-Pump-Kit-/190521450224?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item2c5bf69ef0

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-TIMING-BELT-WATER-PUMP-KIT-Genuine-OEM-Parts-4-Runner-Truck-3-4L-V6-/180729034728?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item2a144a37e8

The first kit will save some coin and is the same brands you will find in the second kit in Toyota boxes/bags.

If you mean this tensioner tool, it's not a dealer item:
http://www.amazon.com/Schley-SCH97300-Toyota-Tensioner-Compressor/dp/B000I1E92Q

[DHC6twinotter]

Alright, got the timing belt kit ordered, so hopefully in the next couple weeks I can go ahead and get it changed out.

Should I buy the SST for removing the cam sprocket bolts, or is there a trick to removing the cam sprocket bolts without the SST? I didn't bother to replace the cam seals on my 2nd gen, so that's going to be a learning experience for me. :hillbill:

[04 Rocko Taco]

Getting them off is one thing... getting them back on is a totally different one, i would get the SST for that if I was you.

[DHC6twinotter]

Thanks Chris....will do.

[rworegon]

I use a crank/cam holder tool that i made up similar to the one in post 7. Works like a charm.

http://www.yotatech.com/f2/crank-bolt-118109/?ref=esp-img

[DHC6twinotter]

I use a crank/cam holder tool that i made up similar to the one in post 7. Works like a charm.

http://www.yotatech.com/f2/crank-bolt-118109/?ref=esp-img


That's a good idea, and I made something similar for my crank. I guess I could have modified it to work on the cam, but I didn't think of that and already ordered the SST. Doh! :hillbill: