Will we see a new Tacoma in 2012?

[DHC6twinotter]

It seems to me that a new Tacoma is due in 2012. Has anybody heard any rumors or seen any spy shots of the new Tacoma?

That being said, I found an article which states the 2012 Hilux is getting a face lift, and a new Hilux would not be out until 2014.

2012 Hilux:
http://www.autocarpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2012-Toyota-Hilux-Pickup.jpg

http://www.autocarpress.com/2011/02/19/2012-toyota-hilux-visual-changes.html

I know this article was for a new Hilux in Argentina, but could this point towards a new Tacoma not arriving until 2014?

Whenever it comes out, I just hope we will see a diesel option. :D

[fenrisx]

I've heard a lot of rumors online about 2012 being a new Tacoma, but I've also hear it's merely going to be a facelift. Although I don't think it'd make sense to make any drastic change to the current gen, if a new one is only a year or two away.

I'm interested to see what it's going to look like though!

[some_odd_girl]

I didn't even know about the Hilux until you posted this. So I looked it up... now I want one of these...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/tiedyedolphin/178fb871.jpg

[Scuba]

Generally, toyota has been pretty even with the number of years certain models' generations have been produced.

Seeing as how the first gen taco went for 9 years, I'm not holding my breath for a drastically redesigned 2012 Tacoma.

[corax]

With the way manufacturers have been releasing vehicles lately, if there was a new Taco for 2012 it'd almost be on the showroom floors by now

[Crinale]

With the way manufacturers have been releasing vehicles lately, if there was a new Taco for 2012 it'd almost be on the showroom floors by now


agreed.. either show rooms, or it would have at least been on the auto-show circuit by now. as 2012 models will start being sold in about 4 months. I would bet on not more than a minor facelift (if anything) and a new model for either the 2014, or 2015 model year.

[DHC6twinotter]

I didn't even know about the Hilux until you posted this. So I looked it up... now I want one of these...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/tiedyedolphin/178fb871.jpg


Yup, the Hilux is basically what the Tacoma is called in other parts of the world It looks a bit different too. While watching the news on Lybia lately, I noticed some Hilux pickups running around with machine guns mounted on the back. :D

In some contries, the 4Runner is called a Hilux Surf.





With the way manufacturers have been releasing vehicles lately, if there was a new Taco for 2012 it'd almost be on the showroom floors by now


agreed.. either show rooms, or it would have at least been on the auto-show circuit by now. as 2012 models will start being sold in about 4 months. I would bet on not more than a minor facelift (if anything) and a new model for either the 2014, or 2015 model year.


Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking as well, but then I thought about the 5th gen 4runner. IIRC, It was pretty hush-hush until about August or September of '09. But yeah, I agree. I think it might be 2014 before we see a new Tacoma. :(

[04 Rocko Taco]

No 3rd world country is complete without some Toyota's with machine guns in the bed. :)

[Crinale]

:good: always an amusing sight..

[04 Rocko Taco]

Not just 3rd world countries, what about American Special Forces abroad?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_d8SGbsS-WzU/TMM50QV2FII/AAAAAAAAAWk/8hP8J22Y6M0/s1600/war+truck11.jpg
http://www.brian894x4.com/images/Militarytacorandy2.jpg
http://www.army.cz/images/id_9001_10000/9683/04.jpg

[some_odd_girl]

Not just 3rd world countries, what about American Special Forces abroad?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_d8SGbsS-WzU/TMM50QV2FII/AAAAAAAAAWk/8hP8J22Y6M0/s1600/war+truck11.jpg



Is this a package deal? If so, I'll take one please. :P

[fenrisx]

Due to the natural disaster that took place in Japan, I definitely doubt we'll see one for 2012 now.

[Obi..]

That.

FWIW, the past two weeks I've been drooling over this after test driving a demo 2011 CrewCab Short Bed with the 5.3 and my Dad's HD with the 6.2. Tundra doesn't even compare and the Tacoma's have even less room than my Runner..My intended purchase within the next 3 years just changed considerably, Toyota better come up with something better IMHO (Sorry, but I've beaten the crap out of my BowTies and miss having one.) :D
http://lanzers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/2010-Chevrolet-Silverado-ZR2-Concept-Reviews-front-view.jpg

This'll pull all our gear and the trailer or the EbbTide pretty easily and wheel all but the narrowest stuff..they're even fully boxed frames now!
http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/2011-Chevrolet-Silverado-008.jpg

[fenrisx]

I like the first one.. I'm guessing it's the concept version? It looks like the hood + front grill is one piece.. I like it. Otherwise I prefer the F-150's to the current Chevy's. I don't need a full size truck though.. but I would like a 5th gen 4Runner TE.

[Obi..]

Yeah, you should see the Sierra Concept, sickness!! Look them up and check out the bed storage, interiors, etc..
http://www.carshowp.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2011-gmc-sierra-all-terrain-concept-at-detroit-front-side-view.jpg

FWIW, even the Raptor did not compare to what I drove. I didn't want to consider full size, but after looking into building up a 80 or 100 Series and comparing all them side by side the GM's won out. Me, the wife, all our gear, the baby, the dog, the possibility within the next year or so of bringing another kid into our lives if the job front works out and it becomes necessity. Add to it I can throw on a 4-6" lift for 33's or 35's, or have Infamous do their magic for even more and it's a better investment. Personally I am no longer impressed by Toyota, also evidenced by who I am trying to finalize this job opportunity with. I saw too much drama and let down with Toyota lately and from what I saw them bringing out, even before the Earthquake they weren't doing things right.

Sorry to sound like a troll here, but I had to give my $.02..

Check out this build from a pal in Brentwood..he sat there beside me yesterday in this while I drove a SC'd 2000 DC-Taco and kicked our butts with just the N/A 5.3 w/ Auto. :bowdown:

[CJM]

No solid axle...its not a HD truck.

Even dodge figured out you need a solid front axle..gm still lacks, sorry man. I rather have a Diesel F250/350 than anything else. Toughest trucks alive.

[Crinale]

Check out this build from a pal in Brentwood..he sat there beside me yesterday in this while I drove a SC'd 2000 DC-Taco and kicked our butts with just the N/A 5.3 w/ Auto. :bowdown:

who's your pal in Brentwood? my Uncle and cousins live up there.. He started Brentwood Auto Body - and sold the business about 4 years ago. My cousin still works for the new owners.

[MTL_4runner]

No solid axle...its not a HD truck.

Even dodge figured out you need a solid front axle..gm still lacks, sorry man. I rather have a Diesel F250/350 than anything else. Toughest trucks alive.


I've got a diesel Silverado 2500HD myself and I totally disagree with the above statements.

First I'd take the IFS over solid axle any day if you are comparing ride quality on 1/2 ton or HD (3/4 and 1 ton) trucks. A solid axle HD truck rides like a log wagon and often get what people call the death wobble (wears out steering components fast). Solid axle had it's day and there's a reason why all the manufacturers have switched over the 1/2 ton trucks (and why GM did on the HD's too). Yes, solid axle is easier to lift, but there's plenty of options for lifting IFS on Chevy HD's too and the ride quality is an order of magnitude better. Even if we're talking about offroading, look at the H1......yep, IFS too.

Evenone's got their own opinion, but honestly I wouldn't take a ford diesel if you gave it to me.......Duramax or Cummins are far better motors (slight edge to the Cummins there on design longevity) for power and durability. The Ford 6.0L Powerstroke blew head gaskets like they're going out of style (even in bone stock form, forget the programmer).....then to replace them you needed to take the cab off the truck! The 6.4L supposedly fixed this but who knows......I'm not interested in doing Ford's R&D for them. What puts the Chevy HD's over the Dodge HD's IMHO is that they mate the Duramax with an Allison transmission (hands down best tranny out there). With head studs, twin turbos and a well built tranny, the sky's the limit on how much power/torque a Duramax/Allison combo can handle.

GM definately makes the best HD trucks out there as far as I'm concerned and I looked at them all before buying mine. The GM 1/2 ton trucks are quite impressive too (the new 5.3L is an excellent motor) and if you compare them to a Tundra on value, they make a very compelling case indeed. I have always been a huge Toyota fan, but Toyota needs to lower their prices to get competitive with what's out there in the market today. I love the Tundra (07+), but they just cost too much for what you get.

[CJM]

^ Bit biased Id say lol No arguments there.

Having worked on, driven and maintained most vehicles I just do not like a torsion bar frontend if you want a real HD truck. Day in and day out a SFA will carry more weight than a torsion bar. I point out that the most abuse a truck can suffer is when its equipped to be a wheel lift tow truck. Worked pretty much 24/7, never given a break-maintained but only truly fixed when needed-ALL have a solid front axle b/c of strength.

If you dont like the ride of the SFA thats cool, not everyone can handle the kidney shattering ride some SFA trucks produce and I do agree the GM tends to ride much smoother and softer due to the torsion bar setup. However loaded down like the trucks are supposed to be it rides like a caddy. Ex: back in the day I used to do alot of towing. The yard/local flatbed truck was a beat to hell F-superduty (f550) circa 1995 PSD, unloaded with nothing on the flatbed it rode like I described above-put a car on it like its supposed to have and it rides better than a brand new GM torsion bar will.

If your not using the truck for real work I can understand why people choose comfort over capability-but in the long run if you ever want the use the truck to its potential you need that SFA. Just 1 trip loaded down will make you believe why it works so well.

As for death wobble-I seen very few like that, most of the time it was due to poor lift kits, idiots who never maintain the vehicle or due to accidents bending/damaging components.

As for the 6.0-no there is only one diesel engine I will own-7.3L PSD. There is a reason this engine is still in use in internationals lineup and has been for over a decade. Its tough, reliable and doesnt fail.

As for the E4OD (aka 4R100) vs the allison-yes GM has the leg up, cant argue with that.

As for cummins, vs duramax vs PSD-cummins is the only good thing about the dodge truck-period, duramax is ok-perhaps they worked the kinks out of them by now-earlier models had horrible injector issues, PSD-6.0 was worthless, not sure about 6.4, 7.3 is still king. Only reason they even bothered with the 6.0 is the EPA-which really is a load of bs to begin with.

IDK I know Im biased, but having worked on many pre and later PSD 7.3L's I cannot argue the quality and overall insane work the trucks will put up with. As I see it: Go look at any construction site-you will see an abundance of Ford trucks for a reason.

[YotaFun]

On Original Topic.
Just imagine a 4Runner with inverted head lights and a bed and there is sort of where the Tacoma may go, as it in some shape or form it has been.
It will most likely have the same Engine and Transmission option as the 4Runner but only the J-shift transfer case.
Models will probably remain SR5, Trail, and Sport.
I do figure it will be soon though, They have all these crazy packages now like the 4Runner did at the end of its 4th gen run so.

As to the Off Topic:
Marc everyone is entitled to there opinion bias or not.

When it comes to a heavy duty truck I think power and durability.
While all Big 3 come to that game with something, each also has there flaws.

I expect a Heavy Duty Truck to ride like shit cause it has a simple set up made to handle tough work and a ton of power from a diesel engine.

As far as death wobble is concerned, I have only heard of that being an issue on lifted trucks, heck even when I first put the All-pro arms on my 4Runner the front got all out of wack and I had death wobble.

The reason the 1/2 ton market has gone IFS is because the general American public wants all in one, and honestly its just not possible, your going to have to sacrifice something somewhere.

I will admit the Duramax is a way better engine the Fords 6.0 and 6.4 motors.
But I think of those as Fords newborns to the diesel world after having to rely solely on International for its engine.
And didn't Toyota have head gasket issues with the 3.0l, Jamie I am a bit shocked by your heated response here cause every company has had there issues.
The 6.7l is a great engine though and I think will go far. I don't think anyone can argue that Cummins is probably the best diesel out of the big 3, easy to work on and a really well running engine.

No one can argue the Allison is the best transmission out there for heavy duty.

But the minute you put more power in that Duramax engine, you better have a few spare cv's, front diff set aside, because the IFS just can not handle that kind of Torque, I have seen it over and over again blow apart.
I mean take a page out of our off-roading, yes we can build strong IFS, but ultimately do we not look to a SFA for the more extreme of off-roading?

Quality is a big concern, and If I were to go buy a truck right off the line today, IMHO, I would go in the order of Ford, Chevy, Dodge.
I have Driven all three and the Ford feels way more solid then the Chevy, and the Chevy more then the Dodge but to tell you the truth to me it was not by much.

I will agree that the Chevy is a more comfortable vehicle to drive and to tell you the truth all I see them do around here is car haul.
Ford rules the construction industry here and Dodge is a close second.

Back in the day though Of like the Era of the 7.3l Ford I would have chose a Chevy for quality cause while they last forever, my neighbors interior and wiring is falling apart more then my friends Chevy.

As far as value for money Chevy vers Toyota, Yeah I would choose the Chevy hands down over the Toyota.
The Tundra is a joke of a truck IMHO.
I hate putting them on the lift, I feel like the back end of the frame is going to snap off from the cab end, and yes I am lifting it properly, the frame is just very weak, heck I was driving home behind one, and when we hit a bumpy part of the highway I watched this empty bed flex horribly, its really quiet scary.
Until Toyota redesigns the frame and makes it fully boxed, I wont even consider the truck, then if they do that, they really should also consider designing a diesel to compete.

[Obi..]

*My bad...I just wanted to say my $.02 on what our next rig will be. I'll let ya all know when Wimpy hits the auction block.

[fenrisx]

lol... 10x more info on Chevy/Ford/Dodge than about the 2012 Tacoma.

[YotaFun]

On Original Topic.
Just imagine a 4Runner with inverted head lights and a bed and there is sort of where the Tacoma may go, as it in some shape or form it has been.
It will most likely have the same Engine and Transmission option as the 4Runner but only the J-shift transfer case.
Models will probably remain SR5, Trail, and Sport.
I do figure it will be soon though, They have all these crazy packages now like the 4Runner did at the end of its 4th gen run so.


I got it in there :P

[fenrisx]

True, you did, lol.

[MTL_4runner]

And didn't Toyota have head gasket issues with the 3.0l, Jamie I am a bit shocked by your heated response here cause every company has had there issues.

Didn't mean to steer us off topic any further, but I felt compelled to provide another viewpoint on the IFS subject.

Avy you're definately right, every engine/transmission/suspension does have it's own quirks so you need to look at the overall pros and cons to see what appeals to you. I don't want to address all the items in the above posts, but again IFS is far stronger than people give it credit for (think 1000 ft-lbs pulling a sled down the track in 4WD with IFS) and you get a good ride home from it to boot.

I do have some quality complaints about Chevy though. After having my 4runner for so long, the design, fit and finish on GM trucks (or any of the domestics for that matter) are just nowhere near as good. That's one area Toyota seems to hit home runs quite regularly.

On topic: I have a feeling the new Tacoma will be very close to the redesigned 4Runner but I guess we'll have to see if the quake in Japan changes the 7-year design cycle at all.

[fenrisx]

Although I don't like the fact the 4Runner and Tacoma have grown in size with the more recent generations... I hope the new 4Runer does take heavy design ques from the 5th gen 4Runner.. I really dig the new 4Runner design.

[YotaFun]

I don't want to address all the items in the above posts, but again IFS is far stronger than people give it credit for (think 1000 ft-lbs pulling a sled down the track in 4WD with IFS) and you get a good ride home from it to boot.


Jamie you sure about that?
Chevy Duramax Tie Rod FAIL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anxyz35AHaM&feature=fvwrel#ws)

[MTL_4runner]

Jamie you sure about that?

Youtube: Chevy Duramax Tie Rod FAIL


Yep I'm sure, those are the tie rods, not the CV's giving out (very common issue).

......and here's the fix for it:
http://www.exaxt.ca/steering_assembly.asp

I have it on mine and it's bulletproof.

Ok back on topic.

[Obi..]

*Never tow a sled on stock stuff, that's the issue. Show me a Toyota that can pull that off w/o exploding too.. :rofl:


Only thing I saw was just like the Toyota's, the issue with the idler arms and even then Camburg and Cognito addressed that.

OK, enough of my screwed up detour, I'll open up a new thread for that when/if my budget gets closer since I plan to pay $$$$. ;)

[CJM]

Im not a fan of the last gen 4runner, the tacoma was ok but meh to much plastic.

Im sick of this trend of everythings gotta be made of crappy looking plastic, inside and out-it looks and feels horrible.

Anyways: It probably will be a 4runner with a bed, seems they arent making trucks anymore but cars that think they are trucks.

[Crinale]

Jamie you sure about that?

Youtube: Chevy Duramax Tie Rod FAIL


Yep I'm sure, those are the tie rods, not the CV's giving out (very common issue).

......and here's the fix for it:
http://www.exaxt.ca/steering_assembly.asp

I have it on mine and it's bulletproof.

Ok back on topic.

not all of those were tie rods.. a few were snapped IFS components (one of the last ones looked like the a-arm broke), but most were tie rods.

[MTL_4runner]

not all of those were tie rods.. a few were snapped IFS components (one of the last ones looked like the a-arm broke), but most were tie rods.


The last one you can see the tire turn in (tie rod) and then the CV blew apart because of the extreme toe-in angle/torque.

The point was simply that just because it has IFS doesn't mean it's not HD.

[fenrisx]

I guess we will not see a new Tacoma in 2012 is what they're trying to say.

[Crinale]

I guess we will not see a new Tacoma in 2012 is what they're trying to say.


ya i think we made that point at least :P before going off topic

[DHC6twinotter]

"Toyota is reportedly working on a refresh for its Tacoma mid-size pickup, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal. The refreshed Taco will debut in October, as part of the automaker's plan to debut many all-new or refreshed vehicles this year. In addition to the Tacoma, the Camry and Yaris will also receive substantial overhauls for the new model year.

Bob Carter, group vice president and brand manager for Toyota, says that the 2012 Tacoma will keep the same engine and frame, but will have a new exterior design, as well as an updated interior. Currently, the Tacoma is powered by a 4.0-liter V6 that produces 236 horsepower and 266 pound-feet of torque.

Additionally, Carter states that the Tacoma will receive new entertainment functions, and as we reported earlier, the automaker's new Entune infotainment system will be part of the offerings. We'll have more details come October"

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/28/toyota-tacoma-to-receive-nip-tuck-this-fall/


And, I also ran across this picture today.

http://www.toyotatruckclub.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=484&d=1301581048

It is supposed to be a new Tacoma, but I dunno. It looks more like a Nissan to me, even the doors look the same as the current model Frontier. It looks too small to be a Tacoma replacement.

:headscratch:

[fenrisx]

Lets hope that is actually a Frontier.

[Scuba]

Sorry guys, the steering wheel is on the wrong side for that to be a US vehicle.

http://www.eltika.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2012-Ford-Ranger.jpg

Also, this thread has all the info on the 2012
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2196854

[Obi..]

*Keep in mind guys that Toyota likes to heavily mask their R&D rigs, so more than likely in all honesty those doors above are indeed Nissan. In other words, manufacturers regularly go out and buy their competitor's vehicles to do research and tear down on. It's not too hard to rip off a set of doors from a Frontier and weld up the door hinge and latch assemblies, right? Even better, slice the panels off the Frontier's substructures and make bracketry to tack them over the existing panels. ;)

~Yes, that's a Hilux they're using for that deal there, the U.S. one has a different front undercarriage look.

[DHC6twinotter]

Sorry guys, the steering wheel is on the wrong side for that to be a US vehicle.

http://www.eltika.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2012-Ford-Ranger.jpg

Also, this thread has all the info on the 2012
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2196854


Awesome, thanks or the link!

I didn't notice the steering wheel on the right side. After seeing that pic of the front, this looks a bit like the Hilux sold overseas. Makes me wonder if the Hilux and Tacoma will now be identical.

Chevy HD Silverado, Peterbuilt, and Ford ambulance in the background make me think that picture was taken in the US. Lines on the road are also consistent with US roads.

I'm surprised there haven't been any images leaked. Not much longer till the upgraded Tacoma goes on sale.

[Obi..]

Makes me wonder if the Hilux and Tacoma will now be identical.

Chevy HD Silverado, Peterbuilt, and Ford ambulance in the background make me think that picture was taken in the US. Lines on the road are also consistent with US roads.

I'm surprised there haven't been any images leaked. Not much longer till the upgraded Tacoma goes on sale.


Nope, looks more like Dubai or someplace in the Arab Emirates.

[Seanz0rz]

often times car companies will test out of market vehicles in the US. not sure if this is the case here, but ive seen it before...

[fenrisx]

If it has a 4Runner'ish front end it won't be a bad looking truck! Option for rubberized flooring would be cool too. I love carpet, but the snowy winters ruin it. By the time I'm able to afford a new truck it'll probably new close to a new generation though!

[Scuba]

Hmm....

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z112/tacomajamie/2012_Tacoma-3.jpg

Toyota Tacoma (http://vimeo.com/26562077)

[Obi..]

SorryThe creator of this video has not given you permission to embed it on this domain.

This is a Vimeo Plus feature.

Must be my connection b/c I can see the video just fine. :D