Prez's Press Conference regarding death of Osama Bin Laden.

[04 Rocko Taco]

Anyone else watching this?!?

[04 Rocko Taco]

NBC News Special Report

"U.S. Military Action has led to the death of Osama Bin Laden."

...still waiting for the prez's statement

[Seanz0rz]

ill be the first.




[red] shenanigans [red]

[Ric]

obama will take full and 100% credit for this, just to try and get more votes.
this will not end terrorism, just like taking down a drug king pin, another is waiting to take step up and take over. Im glad bin laden is dead, but its not the end.

[04 Rocko Taco]

Agreed Ric. I will give credit where credit is due. A BIG thank you goes out to all of those both past and present who have served this country in uniform. Especially for those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice to ensure our continued freedom. While I feel this is great news, and the end of an era, it is definitely not the end of terrorism, and in fact could be the start of a horrible new wave aimed at us. I also want to believe in the hope that this is all true. I will watch as the burden of proof continues to unfold.

The only comments I have on his speech are that first, I am hesitant to even say it, but I was impressed, it was a good speech, one that presented a unified and strong country image, and foretold of continued efforts to fortify our strengths. Secondly though, in direct opposition to the first point, I have to say those are some mighty big "we's" and "I's" there Mr. President. Going on basic knowledge of his platforms and views expressed through his voting record and his legislation attempts, I would say the amount of credit he has given both himself and his administration in this accomplishment seem, at best, a little unwarranted, and at worst, outright lies. Since this is not the religion and politics sub-forum, I will stop there, and again express my deepest and heartfelt thanks to those in the service of this Great Nation!

[Bob98SR5]

im just glad the bitch is dead

[Obi..]

Until I see a turban with blood and a face shot I gotta also say "shenanigans" or better yet,

"PICS or it didn't happen!"

[04 Rocko Taco]

Hey Obama! Pics or GTFO!

[some_odd_girl]

Dude, I got so sick of watching the coverage! Interrupted the end of the CSI: Miami we were watching! Grr. So now we're watching The Haunting bc it's one of the only channels that wasn't showing it haha. I totally agree with the 'Pics or it didn't happen!'

[troyboy162]

Osama Bin Laden Dead - Barack Obama Speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKxRjmY8q1g#ws)

damn good speech

[Obi..]

"Durka-durka?? He's not too sure is he??"
http://cellphoneforums.net/images/durka_durka_durka.jpg

Well, if Obama's eyes say anything, he is sure of it. I still want to see a body, but if indeed true it's high time as I've seen far too many friends go away and come back different b/c of all of this. I pray it is indeed true.

[corax]

Seems quick for a kill, DNA test, and burial all in one day. I'm not doubting that he's dead, but something doesn't quite add up.

I'd be really surprised if pics ever surface, it'd be stupid to release something that could be used to rally the al-Qaeda troops

[Seanz0rz]

im hearing this was a week ago, and the dna came back last night, and then ive heard this was all yesterday or saturday.

burial at sea?! you have to be frickin kidding me...


at least this is funny, and totally NSFW: Bin Laden Dead: Video animation of terrorist leader's final moments (賓拉登死了！) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiDyrkU0WAQ&feature=player_embedded#ws)

[corax]

Bwahaha, saw this on another forum . . .
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx340/Infidelzfun/Obama-darn-1.gif

[DHC6twinotter]

:lol:

Great day in America!

Obama deserves a lot of credit. He deserves credit for keeping gitmo open, allowing the CIA to continue interrogations, and keeping our forces in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Without his continuing support of policies set in place by his predecessor(s), this day may not have come. Job well done! :thumbup:

I will say the whole burial at sea thing sounds fishy.

[fenrisx]

I will say the whole burial at sea thing sounds fishy.


Pun intended?

[oly884]

A job well done by our military forces and president obama. Though I don't see eye to eye with him on most issues, he does deserve credit along side the men and women over there.

[X-Tool Pimp]

Our forces = http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc245/tonytoolpimp/emocations/14_6_121.gif


http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc245/tonytoolpimp/emocations/36_15_541.gif

[Ric]

Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!!

[Crinale]

Couple things:
-Obama did not pull the trigger on the gun, but the mission was approved directly by him.
-Pics will never surface, for reasons already mentioned. (would rally al-queda forces)
-Yes the speech was good, but we all know Obama is an excellent speaker (so was Hitler)
-Yes Obama ordered the strike, but no he does not deserve as much credit as he is claiming.
-Last, and most important: Our forces are AWESOME! and i support them entirely as much as i can.

[corax]

-Yes Obama ordered the strike, but no he does not deserve as much credit as he is claiming.


I agree, but that never stopped a pres from claiming undue credit before. For example:
http://jeremiasx.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/mission-accomplished.jpg
At least something was actually done this time

[oly884]

Separating all emotional issues with the current, or former, president, Osama is dead. Both had their parts in this, to say otherwise is ignoring facts. We can squabble over who did what, and whether they had more or less to do with the end result, but it doesn't change anything, OBL is dead. I'm glad he's gone, and this is a welcome bit of good news in an otherwise (relatively) crappy time for the country.

This country has become so incredibly divided, that an event that should make us all be happy that he's at least gone is yet again becoming a political issue.

[Crinale]

Completely agree Oly.

Oh i forgot to add one other thing i thought of:
- to all people saying BS, and calling shenanigans, there is no way they would release all this without absolute proof that Osama is dead. Doing so would be absolute suicide for the American government - If Osama was still alive and they released video of it, there would be absolutely no credibility left whatsoever in the government (which already doesn't have a whole lot)

[Ric]

The longer they wait to release photos, the more time they have to doctor of photos

[oly884]

The longer they wait to release photos, the more time they have to doctor of photos


Who would doctor the photos and why?

[Ric]

I dont know why, but if he is really dead, why not just prove it..

[oly884]

If photos can be doctored, then why assume what is released proves he's dead anyways?

If al queda, et al say he isn't dead, then I'll eagerly await the video of him holding a news paper claiming he's dead.

If he's not dead, then proving that he is alive is a very, very easy thing to do. Not to mention the absurdity that the feds would say he's dead knowing he isn't. I'm not a trusting guy of the federal government, but critical thinking leads me to believe that he is indeed dead. This is because there is no way possible that if he's alive, that:

1. He'd not try to prove the US government wrong by releasing another video

and

2. The US government has the capabilities to suppress any AND all video(s) that he'd try to release.

It just wouldn't happen. If OBL was alive, he would post a video, and it would get out, and the feds would be caught in the lie. I don't doubt that with any part of my being.

Maybe he is alive and he'll release a video, but my question to you is why would the feds lie about him being dead, knowing he isn't? What is the benefit in doing so, and what is the benefit in possibly having a monumental negative impact to the credibility of the US government, the military, etc?

I can't think of any beneficial reason that the feds would have to lie about this.

[Crinale]

i still completely agree with you Oly - i came to the same conclusions upon critical thinking.


The longer they wait to release photos, the more time they have to doctor of photos
If the plan was to doctor photos to "prove" Osama is dead, a decent graphic artist would have had a completely accurate, believable photo within hours..

The reason i think they will not release photographic evidence (if it even exists) is that we dont need to give the extremist Islamic groups any more material with which to martyrize Osama.

[Ric]

just heard on the news, "photos will NOT be released"
I just find it funny, no photos, and a burial at sea, all within what 8 hours?

[Obi..]

just heard on the news, "photos will NOT be released"
I just find it funny, no photos, and a burial at sea, all within what 8 hours?


Just so I am clear here and don't feel so stupid about all of this..

We're talking about Osama still right, not Jimmy Hoffa?

[Crinale]

just heard on the news, "photos will NOT be released"
I just find it funny, no photos, and a burial at sea, all within what 8 hours?


burial at sea was because no country would accept his body.. and it was done quickly for the same reason, we didnt want his body either :P

[troyboy162]

Its perfect actualy. back to old school government work where you get told after the fact. no need for civilian or liberal input on anything...its done and handled. this is a nation to be feared by its enemies again and i love it!

[Ric]

sorry guys, I dont believe half the crap out gov. "tells" us, esp. this president.

[slosurfer]

also heard that he was buried at sea so that there could never be a shrine built at his burial site :)

[Crinale]

:good:

[Seanz0rz]

sorry guys, I dont believe half the crap out gov. "tells" us, esp. this president.


everything i have ever been taught, in all disciplines, both in the traditional education system and throughout my entire life in this world, has all directed me to question everything others say.

from the simple "your turn signal is on, that means you are turning.... no you're not, you just left it on..." situations, to "we landed on the moon in 1969", i question everything. i look for things like, who tells us this information, who is there to make sure its correct, where is the money coming from and who benefits from the belief that this is true.

most of the conspiracies out there, i dont buy into. we landed on the moon, elvis is dead, kennedy was probably shot by only one person. others im not so sure about.

the reasons i called shenanigans are many. i understand not releasing photos, i do not understand disposing of the body so quickly. alot of the facts look like they arent quite adding up. personally, i believe hes been dead for a long time. he was having kidney dialysis 3 times a week 10 years ago. it is likely that he died long ago. and ultimately, i dont trust anything the government has to say. im not talking party vs. party. i just dont trust ANY of them, especially when they say "trust us" and provide evidence that i can manufacture in my home office.

if indeed this is all true, on the up and up, kosher, etc. then great. the SEALS did a spectacular job of executing the raid, and getting rid of the most wanted man in the world. i dont think it changes much ultimately. the wars will still continue, the organizations will still be a threat, etc. all we have done is to piss them off, but hopefully confuse and fracture them into a less effective organization.

either way, having osama's picture plastered all over the news reminds us what happened nearly 10 years ago. for better or worse.

[some_odd_girl]

if indeed this is all true, on the up and up, kosher, etc. then great. the SEALS did a spectacular job of executing the raid, and getting rid of the most wanted man in the world. i dont think it changes much ultimately. the wars will still continue, the organizations will still be a threat, etc. all we have done is to piss them off, but hopefully confuse and fracture them into a less effective organization.



That's pretty much my thought, Sean. Another person will just take his place, and hopefully it's not someone worse. And we're highly likely to have pissed them off, hopefully not enough to retaliate.

[Crinale]

oh there WILL be retaliation.. the real question is how effective those retaliations will be, and how effective our defenses and intelligence is.

[Obi..]

Sean's logic explained thusly..

These are not the...
http://appvader.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/these_are_not_the_droids.jpg

"I ain't buying that sir."-Sean IOW-"if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything."

I admire that in people, so long as it's delivered in proper form. Good post man.

[Obi..]

That's pretty much my thought, Sean. Another person will just take his place, and hopefully it's not someone worse. And we're highly likely to have pissed them off, hopefully not enough to retaliate.



Saddam-Osama-Kim Jong. 'Nuf said.

[DHC6twinotter]

I think sooner or later the pictures of Osama will get leaked. It's just a matter of time.

And an interesting side note--the helicopter that crashed in the compound is a previously unknown stealth helicopter. Consensus seems to be that it is a UH-60 Blackhawk heavily modified for stealth operations, but it may well turn out to be a completely new type of rotorcraft. Most of the helicopter was destroyed by the exiting seals, but the unusual tail rotor was still intact. Thread going on about it on an aviation forum. Pretty interesting stuff. :D

http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1304401755378_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x

[troyboy162]

now that they have said they wont release photos, its going to get even more trendy/edgy to believe the consperiacy theorys. when pics are leaked it will be written off as photoshoped.

the second coolest thing to come out of this is the tail rotor picture that Dan posted. its been along time since anything secret has shown up like this.

there will be some other douch to lead the douchers, but we made good on a promise and hunted him. its gonna cut down on the arrogence of the douchers. its gonna take away some of the sex apeal of F'ing with america. we put a target on his head and he became a prisoner in his own house...eventualy having his face blown off. that is worth alot of anti-terroism propoganda

[oly884]

It's too bad they didn't hit that tail piece with a drone. I guess it wasn't that important?

[corax]

I think sooner or later the pictures of Osama will get leaked. It's just a matter of time.

And an interesting side note--the helicopter that crashed in the compound is a previously unknown stealth helicopter. Consensus seems to be that it is a UH-60 Blackhawk heavily modified for stealth operations, but it may well turn out to be a completely new type of rotorcraft. Most of the helicopter was destroyed by the exiting seals, but the unusual tail rotor was still intact. Thread going on about it on an aviation forum. Pretty interesting stuff. :D


That chopper's impressive - keep in mind it enabled them to get within a few hundred yards of Pakistan's top military academy undetected (their West Point equivalent).

[corax]

BTW . . . http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/13/osama-bin-laden-porn_n_861664.html

A stash of pornography was found in the hideout of Osama bin Laden by the U.S. commandos who killed him, current and former U.S. officials said on Friday.

The pornography recovered in bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, consists of modern, electronically recorded video and is fairly extensive, according to the officials, who discussed the discovery with Reuters on condition of anonymity.

The officials said they were not yet sure precisely where in the compound the pornography was discovered or who had been viewing it. Specifically, the officials said they did not know if bin Laden himself had acquired or viewed the materials.

Reports from Abbottabad have said that bin Laden's compound was cut off from the Internet or other hard-wired communications networks. It is unclear how compound residents would have acquired the pornography.

[garrett]

BTW . . . http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/13/osama-bin-laden-porn_n_861664.html

A stash of pornography was found in the hideout of Osama bin Laden by the U.S. commandos who killed him, current and former U.S. officials said on Friday.

The pornography recovered in bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, consists of modern, electronically recorded video and is fairly extensive, according to the officials, who discussed the discovery with Reuters on condition of anonymity.

The officials said they were not yet sure precisely where in the compound the pornography was discovered or who had been viewing it. Specifically, the officials said they did not know if bin Laden himself had acquired or viewed the materials.

Reports from Abbottabad have said that bin Laden's compound was cut off from the Internet or other hard-wired communications networks. It is unclear how compound residents would have acquired the pornography.


definitely not believing that without proof!! :D

[Crinale]

definitely not believing that without proof!! :D

:good: :flipoff: