UPDATE: Lift Options

[stock4runner]

Ok, so after talking to some of the local guys here in Fresno area, a few of them said, I can fit 33" tires on a stock 88 runner without a lift. Can anyone confirm this? Also, I went and installed some rear shackles to balance out my rear sag. Shackles were a good start but looking at my truck, it looks pretty tight to squeeze 33s in there. Here are some before after pictures. Tell me what you guys think. Thanks!

Before picture. Bad sag
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad88/touacha/Photo0059.jpg


After:
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad88/touacha/Photo0072.jpg

http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad88/touacha/Photo0073.jpg

[04 Rocko Taco]

It "can" be done. You won't have much flex room before you start to rub, and you lose a lot with the scrub radius. You can crank up the Torsion bars a bit and help yourself out, but at the cost of your ride comfort.

[stock4runner]

hmmm, if that's the case then would you recommend a body lift or a suspension lift? and how much should i raise it?

[04 Rocko Taco]

Depends on what you want to use the truck for.
Do you want it to look really cool on the road with the 33's?
Do you want it to play in the mud?
Do you want it to occasionally do very mild trails?
Do harder trails?
Hit trails more often?
Go full tilt crawler?

If any of the first three (particularly the first two) I would consider a body lift. I wouldn't go more than 1" though if you plan to off-road it.
After that you get into suspension lifts, the further down the list you go, the more extreme kit you will need.

[stock4runner]

Well as of right now I primarily use it for my fishing and hunting trips, but I find myself more and more attracted to trails and getting to that one spot where most people don't venture. I know for sure I won't be doing full tilt crawling, but I do know that I want to have enough articulation and what not to be able to at least go on some intermediate trails in the future without having to do an SAS swap.

I've been researching and price comparisons, I want to stay within a decent budget so the wife doesn't kill me. I'm kind of leaning towards 2.5" ball joint spacers and aftermarket T-bars for the front and possibly a new leaf spring set for the rear. You think that can pull off 33" tires without rubbing? or would I still need to trim the fenders?

[Obi..]

1-1/4" to 1-1/2" Ball-joint spacers out front and a replacement spring pack out back. 1" body lift and IMHO, 32's. I've ran 31's, 32's, most recently 33's. I'm back on 31's b/c of poor supply of 32's on the BFG TA/KO's, but take a look at my build thread (http://www.ultimateyota.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=9773.0) and check out the clearance I now have. *Granted mine's a 2nd gen, but a similarly applied lift to yours will serve you just fine.

Skip the 2.25" ball-joint spacers, it throws your ability to do a decent alignment completely out the window. At that point if you really need that you're better off with fenders and aftermarket arms or a sas.

FWIW, I think/hope most of the guys w/ 1st Gen Runners and 2nd Gen Trucks like Chris (04 Rocko Taco) and Keith (Corax) might say similarly.

[CJM]

1.5 inch ball joint spacers and a reworked/new spring pack and 1 inch body lift will fit those 33's fine.

[stock4runner]

Thanks for all the input guys. Looks like I have a good idea of where to start. Hopefully I can get my truck a new pair of shoes for Christmas

[corax]

Heck, you can fit 32x11.5 BFG ATs on stock rims (or stock backspacing) without any lift at all and barely get any rubbing with the steering wheel at full lock on a trail. When you say you wanna run 33's, you have to clarify what width. The 33x10.5 will be much easier to fit than a 33x12.5 - the 10.5 should fit with just a 1" body lift.

[stock4runner]

Yeah you're right. I originally wanted to get 10.5's but every shop I went to had to "order" them so I rather just get the 12.5's either way, to make things more simple, I might just stick with the 10.5's

[CJM]

Honestly, finding some 16 inch wheels would be much better. Then you can run 285s, 32.8x11.5x16's and they fit great.

Any toyota wheel from the late 70's thru about 2004 will fit your truck. Many guys run the newer 4runner or tacoma wheels for that very reason.

[Obi..]

To expand a little on what Marc just posted, actually going w/ 17" or even 16" rims these days will also save you some coin. The 32x10's and 33x10's are rarer in the outdated 15" rim size. Heck, some manufacturers don't even start until the 17" rim size these days. Manufacturers focus build supply on market demand, not sidewall benefit anymore. If I wasn't so stubborn about going with factory alloy rims back in October I'd have the size tire I wanted easily in either an inch or p-metric size and have them be around $50-75 less each.

[04 Rocko Taco]

FWIW - I still LOVE my 15" steelies. :)

[stock4runner]

I actually thought the same exact thing. I was going to ask what would be an equivalent tire size in metrics for a 16in rim. My uncle has some 16in Tundra rims lying around so I figured I might clean them up a bit and get a set on those and keep my 31" tires as spares.

What tire size in metrics is equivalent to 33" tire on a 16" rim?

[Obi..]

Closest to that would be around a 270/80R16 which really aren't made. Also when you go there you're having to deal with interference and offset b/c you're into the 11" width of the "plus sizing rule". If however you were to go to say a 265/70R17 availability get's easier and why I'd mentioned the 32" tire size option above.

Play around with this online tool: http://www.dakota-truck.net/TIRECALC/tirecalc.html and then cross reference the size over to here to see your options http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=265/&ratio=75&diameter=17 which include the BFG TA/KO, MT/TA KM2, the General Grabber AT2, Kumho's, and Cepek's. It all then depends on what your tire needs and budget allow.

*I must have not seen enough Tundra's either, I thought they were 5 hole?

[CJM]

Older tundra (the none ginormous ones)are all 6 lug like the old trucks.