Yes it didn't take much but Midiwall and some dentists got me after I suggested that he and midiwall got thicker skin and that I was referring to a joke on Signfield, about what doctor's that can't make it through med school do? They become dentist. lol and that was it. the Dentist got into an discussion about Hydrocodone has codeine in it and he very surly pointed out that I was wrong and that they put a synethic codeine in it to cause the same effects. I said so they use senthetic codeine in it..... what's the big difference? one he said makes your stomach upset as the other won't.... So there you have it, kids watch your step over there They have a wiki now and have gone big time. lol P.S. any one want to send me midiwall's e-mail I would greatly apprecate it. Thanks in advance. TJ