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    The blind made to see.....

    The miracle of enlightenment is that even the smallest portion of it will slay darkness wherever it resides. For the record, Mr Burris is an ultra liberal news editor of the Journal Inquirer. Perhaps there is hope for us after all, albeit catastrophically tardy...






    Time to admit the 'gun nuts' are right
    By Keith C. Burris
    08/03/2007
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    In the aftermath of the Petit family slayings in Cheshire, we all reached for explanations: How do human beings sink this low? How could this tragedy have been prevented? Why?


    There are so many nagging questions. They all need to be asked. And maybe some old arguments need to be hashed out again.

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    Why not a more stringent "three strikes and you're out" law in this state? Connecticut's version is so weak that it's more like "30 strikes and we'll think about it while you strike again."

    Why not speed up the criminal trial process for repeat violent offenders? Get them off the streets. It's been proposed many times. Most people agree it should be done. It never happens.

    Can't we better monitor the probation process?

    Can't we do a better job of predicting -- figuring out which non-violent criminals are about to turn violent?

    Are home alarms really effective?

    How about dogs?

    But somehow all of these ideas pale before the barbarity of this particular crime.

    That is why one old question is worth asking again. It is this: What if the Second Amendment is for real? Is it possible that it should it be revered, just like the First Amendment?

    Sam Ervin said, "The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." Maybe that applies to all of the Constitution.

    Is it possible that the Second Amendment is not a quaint and antiquated remnant of a world that will never return, but an idea as relevant and sound today as when it was written?

    Is it possible that we are not talking about the right of the government to form a militia when there is no standing army, but the right of the individual to defend himself, or herself, against both tyranny and lawlessness? Maybe we are talking about the right of self-defense -- the right of the individual to take up arms against a government that wants to oppress, be it foreign or domestic. And the right of the individual to defend himself against criminals, brutes, and barbarians when local police seem unable to stop them.

    Might the Second Amendment matter almost as much as the First?

    I think the answer is yes.

    And just like the First, the Second is practical, newly relevant, and far wiser than the watered-down alternatives.

    I don't think George Bush wants to impose martial law on his fellow citizens. But he has diluted habeas corpus. And he has enlarged Big Brother. You have to stop and think about a government that wants to control the thoughts and behavior of its people.

    Should such a government be permitted to disarm them as well?

    And whereas the reform of the criminal justice system along some of the lines suggested above (a real "three strikes" law and faster trials for violent offenders) would not have saved the lives of Jennifer, and Hayley, and Michaela Petit, a gun might have.

    I don't say it would have.

    I say it might have.

    Had Dr. William Petit had access to a gun and known how to use it, he might have been able to dispatch the two perpetrators, who were armed with only an air gun and ropes.

    Moreover, the three victims here were women.

    What if Mrs. Hawke-Petit had been trained in the use of firearms? Suppose she had been able to get to a gun after her husband was beaten into unconsciousness by the invaders? Or when she was forced to take one captor to the bank to fetch him money?

    It's worth thinking about.

    Women and children are now the major targets of predators in our society. Government is not protecting them very well. Many professional women who work in cities know this and take courses in self-defense. A gun may be the only realistic self-defense against the sort of criminals we are talking about here.

    And if a few women took care of a few thugs in cases like this; if a few stories like this one ended in a different way -- with a woman blowing one of these brutes to kingdom come -- it might be a deterrent. Lives upon lives might be spared.

    A friend of mine said: "The gun nuts are back."

    They are.

    And they are right.

    Mind you, we are talking about arming people who are trained and know how to use a weapon.

    No one should have a gun who has not been trained.

    Just as one gets training in handling a boat, motorcycle, or car, one must learn how to use and safely store a gun. (The National Rifle Association maintains an extensive national network of programs in firearms training and education.)

    And, obviously, no one would be forced to own a gun.

    A second caveat: Encouraging citizens to arm themselves is no "answer" to crimes like the Petit murders.

    An "answer" does not exist.

    But it is one of several remedies when we are faced with palpable evil.

    All possible remedies should be on the table:

    -- Various reforms of the justice system, like a real three-strike-law for predatory offenders.

    -- Better psychological treatment for troubled youth.

    -- Religious training, in both love and self-restraint, especially when people are young.

    -- Prison programs that both retain the hard core and educate the educable.

    -- More and better home alarm systems.

    -- More cops visible in more neighborhoods.

    -- Dobermans.

    All of these approaches have merit.

    So does self-defense.

    None of these options "fix" a society that can produce human beings who torture and kill the defenseless for sport.

    No one step or program can plug every hole in America's justice system, or its soul.

    But there are times when a gun in the hands of a potential victim may save a life.

    Let's admit -- since the murderers, and druggies, and psychos, and thieves already have guns -- that arming the peaceful, law-abiding, decent, and productive people, whether in a school, or a private home, or on the way to a parked car, is an option that also has merit.

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    Keith C. Burris is editorial page editor of the Journal Inquirer.



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    Re: The blind made to see.....

    The KEY line in this whole article is right here at the end:

    "Let's admit -- since the murderers, and druggies, and psychos, and thieves already have guns -- that arming the peaceful, law-abiding, decent, and productive people, whether in a school, or a private home, or on the way to a parked car, is an option that also has merit."

    I agree that not everyone should have access to a gun. There is a serious lack of training out there BUT more $ spent on education programs would do society better than the $ spent on useless anti-gun programs. Take the right to defend themselves away from people and you have turned your society into one of sheep. Too many sheep, too many wolves, nowhere NEAR enough sheepdogs.
    Beat up old 2002 Tacoma

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    Re: The blind made to see.....

    We all know the saying that (you never see one when we need one,)that's law enforcement. Law enforcement is only reactionary.

    You don't have a fire truck setting outside of your house when your stove develops a grease fire! You keep a fire extinguisher in your pantry for that or baking soda. The fire truck doesn't come till your grease fire has gotten out of control. Again reactionary.

    Law enforcement is only going to show up after a problem has been reported!! Generally that is too late and at the minimum the perp's have hostages and everything is going to be a long and drawn out event.

    You may be scared to death of a gun, but how do you think your wife and kids are feeling at the hands of Chester the molester, and his 6'4" 250lbs buddy, Donald, who just grins and giggles??
    The point being thee are other ways to protect yourself other than a gun, but a gun is the simplest equalizer you can have.

    A little tarining on a weekend and some occasional practice will familiarize yourself with the weapon and build your confidence. Knowing how to become an Ultimate Fighting Champion, takes years of practice and many scheduled fights. Same for any Martial Arts.

    Also since Chester and Donald are from some of the finer instutions of correctional services in the country I am sure they are familiar on the feelings of Pepper spray, and a Taser. Do Not count on these to protect you.

    In a situation of life and death, the only real equalizer is a firearm ! Get one, learn how to use it safely and use it to defend yourself or your family, just like you would use a fire extinguisher on a fire! TJ
    2000, Toyota 4Runner,V6 Auto, SR-5 Silver,4X4 Leather,Moon-Roof, Cruise, A/C, Remote Start, Pwr. Windows &amp; Locks, Alumn. Wheels, Tires are Bridgestone, Full Auido up grade with XM, all Kenwood. Color matched Bug deflector, Roof rack, Dust Deflector and Rear wiper.&nbsp; <br /><br /><br />Resistance is Futile; buy a Toyota!

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    Re: The blind made to see.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Jim
    We all know the saying that (you never see one when we need one,)that's law enforcement. Law enforcement is only reactionary.

    You don't have a fire truck setting outside of your house when your stove develops a grease fire! You keep a fire extinguisher in your pantry for that or baking soda. The fire truck doesn't come till your grease fire has gotten out of control. Again reactionary.

    Law enforcement is only going to show up after a problem has been reported!! Generally that is too late and at the minimum the perp's have hostages and everything is going to be a long and drawn out event.

    You may be scared to death of a gun, but how do you think your wife and kids are feeling at the hands of Chester the molester, and his 6'4" 250lbs buddy, Donald, who just grins and giggles??
    The point being thee are other ways to protect yourself other than a gun, but a gun is the simplest equalizer you can have.

    A little tarining on a weekend and some occasional practice will familiarize yourself with the weapon and build your confidence. Knowing how to become an Ultimate Fighting Champion, takes years of practice and many scheduled fights. Same for any Martial Arts.

    Also since Chester and Donald are from some of the finer instutions of correctional services in the country I am sure they are familiar on the feelings of Pepper spray, and a Taser. Do Not count on these to protect you.

    In a situation of life and death, the only real equalizer is a firearm ! Get one, learn how to use it safely and use it to defend yourself or your family, just like you would use a fire extinguisher on a fire! TJ
    Wow TJ! This is probably one of the more practical arguments I've read in favor of weapon ownership I've read. Bravo, my friend!
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    Re: The blind made to see.....

    Well written, and dead on.

    A peaceful society is an armed society.

    Hence the reason I just got myself a GLOCK 27.
    Gone but not forgotten: 2004 Tacoma/2006 Fourwheel Camper<br /><br />ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ<br /><br />&quot;Tyrants mistrust the people, hence they deprive them of arms.&quot;<br />- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)

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    Re: The blind made to see.....

    Yes, very good read TJ. That was definitely spot on. I myself have a Sig P220 (.45ACP) and P229 (.40S&W). I shoot both guns on a weekly basis, at least 50 rounds in each gun. Maybe one of these days California will realize that an armed society is a safe society.

    Check out this thread over on the FJ Forums, http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forum...s-boonies.html A good discussion for sure.
    Any of you like Guns? Hit me up for great prices! www.gunsupfirearms.com

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    Re: The blind made to see.....

    Quote Originally Posted by xonetruthcrewx
    Yes, very good read TJ. That was definitely spot on. I myself have a Sig P220 (.45ACP) and P229 (.40S&W). I shoot both guns on a weekly basis, at least 50 rounds in each gun. Maybe one of these days California will realize that an armed society is a safe society.

    Check out this thread over on the FJ Forums, http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forum...s-boonies.html A good discussion for sure.

    You might post for the party to check out www.packing.org it is a not government site that tries to keep abreast of gun carring laws across the states. From what Little I did read it was kind of confusing as to weather your friend should carry with his family,( the big concern of the two young boys, 6 and 8 years old) I would suggest a gun packing safe that is bio metrical with a five finger code. You can buy these for around $150. This will keep they tykes out and also allow his wife access to the weapon.


    P.S. Thanks for all the kind words and sincerity about the post. Oly if I was you I would throw away the glock and get a real weapon. J/K lol Is the glock 27 a 10mm? if so I will cut you some slack...lol I like a 10mm.
    2000, Toyota 4Runner,V6 Auto, SR-5 Silver,4X4 Leather,Moon-Roof, Cruise, A/C, Remote Start, Pwr. Windows &amp; Locks, Alumn. Wheels, Tires are Bridgestone, Full Auido up grade with XM, all Kenwood. Color matched Bug deflector, Roof rack, Dust Deflector and Rear wiper.&nbsp; <br /><br /><br />Resistance is Futile; buy a Toyota!

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    Re: The blind made to see.....

    Tj, iirc, the glock 27 is .40

    I can't check at work, I have a websense category block on "weapons".
    So, I can't verify, but I am pretty sure it is a 40 cal.
    -Chris
    2004 DoubleCab Tacoma PreRunner: 3.4 V6-Auto, DD/Tow Rig
    1997 Lexus LX450: 4.5 I6-Auto, DD
    1984 4Runner: 22R-5 speed, 14 inch bob, 5.29's, lincoln locked rear, lockright front, Armored and Caged by Mossyrocks Fabrication, total disregard for body damage.
    1997 4Runner: GONE
    1996 FZJ80 Land Cruiser: GONE

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    Re: The blind made to see.....

    It is a .40 cal. Sweet little pistol.

    The GLOCK 29 is the 10mm, but it is a larger frame than the 27. It's for concealed carry and thus I decided to go for a smaller frame.

    I've shot all the glocks (this weekend was a shootout at the range) as well the XD40 (I like glocks WAY more, sorry TJ).
    Gone but not forgotten: 2004 Tacoma/2006 Fourwheel Camper<br /><br />ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ<br /><br />&quot;Tyrants mistrust the people, hence they deprive them of arms.&quot;<br />- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)

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    Re: The blind made to see.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Jim
    You might post for the party to check out www.packing.org it is a not government site that tries to keep abreast of gun carring laws across the states. From what Little I did read it was kind of confusing as to weather your friend should carry with his family,( the big concern of the two young boys, 6 and 8 years old) I would suggest a gun packing safe that is bio metrical with a five finger code. You can buy these for around $150. This will keep they tykes out and also allow his wife access to the weapon.
    I have one of these... GunVault is one of the better companies, IMO.

    I may someday in the future, install one of the minivaults in my truck.
    Beat up old 2002 Tacoma

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