Woot Woot! In time for the $5 in gas we'll be payin
Source: CNetOriginally Posted by Martin LaMonica @Cnet
Woot Woot! In time for the $5 in gas we'll be payin
Source: CNetOriginally Posted by Martin LaMonica @Cnet
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Go ethanol! The invisible fuel.. It does virtually nothing for energy independence, yet drives the price of EVERYTHING else up. Yay!
We're already rationing grain sales here in America because of this bullsh!t. Which is something I never thought I'd live to see. And let's not mention the poor third-world folks who depend on American grain to survive. Their American-grain-induced flatus is probably contributing to gorebull warming, anyway.
Here's a suggestion, albeit radical:
Grow grain for food, and DRILL for f-cking oil...
Nah, that makes too much sense.
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110% agreed, except it appears they are using by products, not the whole usuable/edible corn like traditional ethanol uses.
While I support alternative energy and even ethanol to a certain extent, I completely disagree with using foods for the production of fuels. There are other things that can be used to create biofuels. For instance Jatropha, which is an invasive weed, can be used to produce biodiesel. This plant in PA will create biofuel (ethanol) out of waste products.. or atleast such is the goal. Ethanol is less efficient than gasoline in that it its combustion does not produce as much usable kinetic energy, and its production from certain products releases significant amounts of carbon dioxide gas. But their aim here is to eliminate the downfalls of ethanol.
Plus ethanol still allows for internal combustion engines, which in turn can have bitchin exhaust notes.. fuel cell is cool and all, but damn.. having an dead silent BMW M5 would just be wierd =\
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which is why i have no effing idea why hemp and sugarcane are not used more. our gov must be idiots not to try other sources for fuel.Originally Posted by dontdo_that
ethanol ethanol and ethanol, wtf? others out there
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Sugarcane is used because turning that into ethanol is very easy. Hemp is no different than grass clippings, wood chips, etc. Hemp is a source of raw cellulose, not raw glucose.Originally Posted by neliconcept
Sugarcane isn't used because it can't grow well in many places of the US thus making it useless for us. Hemp isn't used because grass, wood, and corn stalks would work just as well.
Ethanol will only be a sustainable source of fuel if it can be derived from cellulose. We are ALL feeling and seeing the effects of what happens when we use corn as a source.
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what about soybeans? i know that illinois has some farms up there for the production of soybeans as the main derivative
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they need to use something that isn't a major part of the food industry. The idea of alternative fuels has pushed up prices. Hopefully the focus can be turned to prairie grass or some other plant that we don't rely on for food.
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Soybeans = foodOriginally Posted by neliconcept
fuel is meant to be burned for power
You wouldn't burn bread to heat your house, would you?
Utilizing a food source, no matter how basic, is a terrible idea for fuel. Because as population grows, BOTH fuel and food production need to go up. If both don't go up, we see the price of both go up as well.
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why dont they use the damn Kudzu that covers 800 million acres of the South? It's basically useless and is IMPOSSIBLE to kill...
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