What's your take?

[Seanz0rz]

government needs to get out of our lives. while a part of me feels the need to have the government protect us from harm, the much larger part just thinks that they need to stay the hell out of our business.

[oly884]

I also seem to remember seeing 'healthier' choices at most fast food places now-a-days, why isn't he eating those?

I don't think there is such a thing as healthy fast food alternatives. The Big Mac, McDonald's signature sandwich, boasts 590 calories and 34 grams of fat while the Bacon Ranch Salad with Crispy Chicken and ranch dressing has 660 calories and 51 grams of fat. But again, inalienable right to go to hell in whichever way one chooses. I wouldn't eat either.

I was speaking in terms of the salad shakers, 'apple fries' (don't know which chain, but I saw an add), and others. They are making healthier choices....

but don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the fast food industry is completely innocent. One would imagine with the health issues many face in these days, there would be a larger sense of morality in these companies (hahaha, right).

My point is that the power should be in the people, not the government. You get enough people to realize how BAD this food is for you, especially day to day, and let them make up their minds. WE should be the ones saying no thanks to these fatty foods, promoting healthier eating habits, and supporting chains that DO provide healthy foods.

Letting the government do it for you is only going to let them look back and say, "look, see, we didn't allow fast food places to be built and people became healthier, we should do this for (insert blank)" and the amount they control only gets bigger from there.

Or, they could say, "well, it didn't work THAT time because of all the fast food places already there, let's try kicking all the fast food places out of this area and see how that goes."

We are reaching a point in this country where our rights as individuals are coming into question more and more, and it is very important that we all understand that WE THE PEOPLE are the ones who run this country. Not every one of the idiots in DC. It's a joke what is going on right now, our government was created for the people, by the people, now it is for special interest, by special interest.

Sorry, but I prefer my rights to be my choice, not some dumbass that isn't in touch with reality.

I'll leave you with this:

[tulsa_sr5]

my step son paid $34 for a large beer the other night in france. He's spending a month in europe, coming up on the end of his college days. I told him, only half joking that most of that $34 went to support socialism. But honestly, that is what to expect if you think goverment is the answer to your problems. The bottom of that slippery slope is socialism, and it's expensive as hell.

The capitalist answer, and this will sound cruel, but if you think about it it's fair. You smoke? you die younger and collect less in social security. Way overwieght? die younger than you would have and colllect less in SS. Nothing wrong with choosing your destiny, but a country whose main purpose is safety net is a country doomed.

[oly884]

The capitalist answer, and this will sound cruel, but if you think about it it's fair. You smoke? you die younger and collect less in social security. Way overwieght? die younger than you would have and colllect less in SS. Nothing wrong with choosing your destiny, but a country whose main purpose is safety net is a country doomed.

Basically, you are responsible for your own actions. It's not that crazy of an idea.

[04 Rocko Taco]

I thought maybe it was in Fusters sig line, but its not, I think it is in Ric's, actually...okay, I think it USED TO be in Ric's sig.

"He who will sacrifice liberty and freedom for temporary safety, deserves neither."

[calrockx]

I'm for it.

It's sad it's come to this, but that's what it takes sometimes for their own good. You have to save people from themselves in this case. A healthier Los Angeles population = lower medical costs, more productivity, better image. I'm for it.

Yeah some of those fast food places offer healthier choices, but really - no one gets those. Those are merely to fulfill a societal obligation almost.

I'm pro-do whatever you want usually, but to a point I can take laws like this. If cigarettes were to be banned completely in the US, I'd be fine with that. People are too retarded to stop smoking, so if you make it a law, the overall gain would outweight the negatives.

[04 Rocko Taco]

I see no reason to save people from themselves..... call it evolution, call it survival of the fittest, call it cold hearted, I dont care what you call it, if people want to be stupid, eat fast food all day every day, and smoke themselves into an early grave, or whatever......LET THEM.

It just leaves more of the planet for us, and less retard DNA in the gene pool.
There was a lady on TV this morning with her 96 pound, 3yr old child.... and she weighed about 345, she was saying she didnt want her child to go through the same ridicule that she did growing up, and someone needed to do something about it, but then she went on to describe what this child eats.... Holy Cripes, more than I eat in a week, and thats just breakfast!!!

Sounds to me like to me that to not get ridiculed and perpetuate the cycle, she should stop eating so *#&$ much.

Same thing as the fast food deal. Let these people die off, or solve thier own problems.





But of course this from the guy who thinks seat belt laws are stupid....

I mean whats the easiest way to take some of those millions of polluting cars off the road? Stop making people wear thier seatbelts. Whether I have my belt on or not, doesnt affect the safety of anyone else in the crash, only me. So if I dont want to wear one and die in a car wreck, why not let me? One less car on the road.


I guess you guys can see where I stand on government control.

[oly884]

I found this interesting:

http://history.howstuffworks.com/eur...-movement2.htm

In particular this:

"By dispelling the myth of happiness as absurd, the fascist society is able to constrain its people and convince them to submit for the greater good. People cannot gather without permission, and they can't say anything negative against the State. Instead, they are submerged in an extreme sense of national and ethnic unity. Political youth groups recruit the youngest members of society, teach them about the State and entrust them with its survival and its power. Fascism glorifies youth, which makes sense if you consider the ideal of survival of the fittest -- the young are the strongest and the fittest."

And this is interesting as well....

" the [individual] is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone ? - Mussolini, "Fascism," the Italian Encyclopedia, 1932

So, the while some of you may agree with THIS one, what happens when you (the individual) is deprived of "useless and possibly harmful freedoms" that you don't think are useless and possibly harmful?

This is fascism, if you can prove me wrong, please do so.

[calrockx]

Sometimes I'm in favor of laws like this, but other times not so much. I guess if the situation only brings harm to oneself, I say let freedom ring. The Helmet law for example...if you're too stupid to protect your cranium, the world is probably better off without you.

There are a million "what-ifs" that complicate that situation, but still.

[oly884]

Sometimes I'm in favor of laws like this, but other times not so much. I guess if the situation only brings harm to oneself, I say let freedom ring. The Helmet law for example...if you're too stupid to protect your cranium, the world is probably better off without you.

There are a million "what-ifs" that complicate that situation, but still.

Very true cal. I completely understand why. People are fat and lazy, they will continue to eat shitty food and be a drain on society. It will raise insurance rates because of the extra health care they need, it will lower the productivity of the work force, and lets face it, there will be less hotter chicks around here. Who wants that????

However, one could look at this much in the way the left looks at the whole phone tapping ordeal (we ALL know about that). I have changed my stance on that to a certain degree. One may justify it by saying, "oh well they are JUST looking at terrorists it's OK." Some proclaimed that it was a slippery slope and it could become domestic spying any Bob next door could be arrested for talking about his stolen cable that he got. Right?

This is the same concept. Give the government this right, and where will it lead?