That's not a slap in the face of the troops at all. It's a slap against the leaders/administration who sent them to fight. In my opinion, those have been failures. Bad exit strategy, those who attacked us came from Afghanistan, and have we caught BinLaden yet? Obama wants to focus the fight on the region where the threats are.Originally Posted by mYnAmEiSmUdD
Both candidates support the troops - They're just doing what they're being commanded to do with the resources they have.
If Iraq were harboring/aiding Al Queda within it's borders, would that have been reason to go in and take them out?That's not a slap in the face of the troops at all. It's a slap against the leaders/administration who sent them to fight. In my opinion, those have been failures. Bad exit strategy, those who attacked us came from Afghanistan, and have we caught BinLaden yet? Obama wants to focus the fight on the region where the threats are.
Both candidates support the troops - They're just doing what they're being commanded to do with the resources they have.
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My view is the whole system is corrupt. Way back when the country was founded the gov't was established on some very good principles I believe in. Still, I do not care for the way in which many settlers/immigrants chose to establish themselves in this land, but the constitution and bill of rights were a good thing to go by. There have always been parties that have wanted control over America and it's people (England, at that time), so with that corruption has been a constant force. Now, it's just a lot more....and I mean a lot more....prevalent. You know......those self serving people that like nothing more than for the citizens to be slaves while giving them the illusion they have freedoms. What better way to control them than by brainwashing them and keeping them confused? Granted we can do things in this country you can't elsewhere, but this makes it an even bigger lie. If you don't believe me, try not paying your taxes for a couple of years. Or, do something that would actually, truly upset the rulers game. They will kill you. In effect, it seems like Democracy, but still smacks of all the forms of gov't we as Americans despise.
Sorry....lesser of two evils is not a choice and it's not freedom. And besides, elected officials are ruled by those with more money, power, and larger agendas. Go ahead and vote for who you think might do less harm. You'll be bought and sold just like them. It's all a game show.
What would I do to change it?
Destroy the global elitists/Illuminati somehow. (Not sure how that would/could happen). Strip the gov't of a lot of the power they've coerced/manipulated from the people. Give the politicians A LOT less salary. Taxes would be distributed with largest percentage to those who made the largest percentage. The rich would NOT be able to benefit from desperation of the less fortunate. I still like the idea of Capitalism, but I think that needs a "cap" put on it....(hehe). Or maybe the tax thing would resolve that. The more you make, the more you are ABLE to give back to the community. I mean, how much money does a person need to be happy and comfortable?
The environment would be treated as something NECESSARY for our existent and not as an expendable commodity. Incrementally and SOUNDLY, all of our present forms of wasteful and polluting energy would be SERIOUSLY modified or abolished altogether. Agriculture and the land would in the same manner would be converted to organic farming without the need for expensive labeling and consumer prices. Food should be healthy, non-toxic and nourishing. Our soil should be vital and naturally immune with only natural aid. Animals (pets or livestock) would be treated with the utmost honor and respect for the service they provide for nurturing and benefit. It would be (should be) a serious crime to abuse them in any way.
Speaking of crime....our criminal justice policies would be COMPLETELY reformed. It's seriously not working the way it is. Though, there are small strides in that direction. They need to be educated and rehabilitated on a much larger scale than present.
Education would be based on teaching children to THINK, be creative, and be the geniuses they are born as. Politicians love to lie and spout of this cliche, but they are seriously our future. So, if they're raised as malnourished, overstimulated, numb dummies we simply won't advanced as an intelligent race. Children would be taught not only general curriculum pertinent to survival, but higher functioning that transcends linear thinking. (Think Einstein here before he was forcibly bought/threatened...however you want to put it). Mothers would be able to actually care for the children during their important developmental years and not HAVE to go to work, depend on nannies or corrupt facilities.
There's soooo much more I'd do would if I felt I had a real say. But, to sum it up, I'd set the country up like a cooperative. The individual is important, but without a cohesive community where the labor of living is shared we're all exhausted and tend to fend for ourselves....the man being an island sort of thing where in truth we are not.
Of course, this is all dependent on humanity as a whole working cooperatively and not maliciously. And, right now the latter is the way it works. So, I'm not sure what all the answers/solutions are (though, I have an idea), but I know voting is not changing it. It hasn't for a very, very long time the way it's been run.
"All I know can be shown by your acceptance of the facts that are shown before you..."
Oh...and on the whole war/troops in Iraq/or wherever else thing. I've never believed this war or many, many, many wars we've had were necessary. Never have I believed that any of them were to defend our freedom or anyone else's freedom. In fact, I believe it's always been about money, commodity, and rulership of. Nothing more. I honor the idea behind an army and those who believe it's worth their lives to defend a country of freedom, but given what I've said already, what is happening now and for a long time is a lie to America and the world. So, you can probably see why I won't vote for anyone that supports it and thinks it's good, "honorable" thing we're doing over there. It's insanity.
"All I know can be shown by your acceptance of the facts that are shown before you..."
Furthermore, I believe our gov't (those with ties in the globlists) was behind 9/11, Oklahoma City, and many others. Why? Because they're ruthless with no conscience. How are you going to get a very large group of people ...a country...to want something that goes against logic, humanity, and economic prudence? You have to shock them with something horrific. It's a very common military/psychological tactic called brainwashing and lies. How could anyone particularly our gov't do something like that? Killing hundreds/thousands of innocent people? We are commodities and nothing more.
"All I know can be shown by your acceptance of the facts that are shown before you..."
thook, quite a bit of change eh?
I see where you are coming from, however, a couple points (I only have internet access at work right now due to a move, but will discuss later)
1. I agree, the government needs much less power.
2. Can't agree on taxes. Simply a flat tax is how i'd have it. I view the 'taxing the rich higher' as punishing being successful. The more you make, the more you are ABLE to contribute, yes, but not the more you make the more you NEED to contribute. Taking, forcefully, some one's hard earned money and giving it to others does not follow in the guidelines of what I consider freedom. I didn't get a degree in chemical engineering only to have a good portion of my money go to help those who do not wish to help themselves. I WILL help people if they are in need, I don't need anyone else telling me who I need to help. In every aspect of life, there is competition, it is how we came to be. Removing that is going against the flow of life. We, as humans, are far beyond animals in the survival mentality, however, it does not remove the fact that the laws of nature still need to apply to us.
Much like the strong and wealthy can take advantage of the weak and hungry, the roles can be turned around. The kind and giving can be taken advantage of by the mischievous and unethical.
There is beyond enough opportunity for people to be successful in this country, however, people piss those opportunities away and then demand that others take care of them. Everyone has their bad times, but if the do not show the will to carry on and strive to be successful, then they are not a productive member of society and what good does it do to attempt to support them any further?
3. The environment is clearly important, but we cannot sacrifice our current path. We will get to the point where clean energy is viable, it just doesn't happen overnight.
4. Crime, can't agree their either. We have pretty easy guidelines to live by and if someone can't follow those, that's their problem. If it were my choice, child molesters and rapists (assuming they ARE guilty), death. Same for cold blooded murderers. Any crimes committed with guns get 2x the time.
5. Education needs revamping, yes. To that extent, I couldn't say one way or another.
6. A cooperative is a neat idea, but human nature will always fight against the idea. Much like the idea of socialism, communism, fascism, etc. they simply don't work because it goes against the idea of personal freedom. People need to CHOOSE to help others, not be forced into doing so.
Gone but not forgotten: 2004 Tacoma/2006 Fourwheel Camper<br /><br />ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ<br /><br />"Tyrants mistrust the people, hence they deprive them of arms."<br />- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)
What expertise do you have that you can support this. I have found that in every case, beliefs like this have everything to do with a hatred of government, Bush, USA, etc and nothing to do with common sense.
Have fun with the comments to follow.
And to think, I was actually starting to think you were a pretty cool guy.
Gone but not forgotten: 2004 Tacoma/2006 Fourwheel Camper<br /><br />ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ<br /><br />"Tyrants mistrust the people, hence they deprive them of arms."<br />- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)
Yeah Oly...I agree with a lot of what you say. That's why I said incrementally and soundly. No solid changes can happen overnight without total collapse. That's not good, either. It's just that I don't believe efforts are wholeheartedly being made towards a lot of what I've pointed out. I think we're getting lip service and placation. It can and seriously needs to happen faster. The technology is there, but being squelched.
On taxes.....that's why I said ABLE to. I don't believe in force. And I don't see it as a punishment. Why do you? I believe in cooperative communities where people realize and support the notion that giving back actually benefits the giver greatly. A very strong, healthy, and wealthy nation based on cooperation cannot help but support every individual much more than an individual alone. Taxes in this way can be seen as something entirely different than the way it has been and still is brought upon us. Selfish thinking would not allow some people to see or believe that, though. Engghh...fear. My guess, though, is that you would not be one of the immeasurably wealthy peoples that would not be philanthropic or giving of taxes to benefit your community, either. For those that do not choose to, maybe the "cap" idea would be necessary. Like I said, how much money does a person need? Geez....if one was earning a $1mill a year, don't you think that's enough? Many, many people earn more than that.
And, yes.....the leeches of society. Yeah...I hear you there. Well, this would mean reform of welfare and what not. And, also people that would otherwise give need to learn discernment and not allow themselves to be manipulated. But, let's face it. Much of the state these kind of people are in is a negative, depressive state. Let's you and I think of a better way to do deal with that then, eh? Maybe we can gather a mass letter and send it to our gov't. What do you think they'll do? Wait....that's right. They want a drain on our economy...hahaha. Good way to keep people down and others....like us...arguing.
And for the love of God....I've mentioned nothing about force!!! A cooperative is not about force. A cooperative comes from the heart of people wherein...like I said...giving back means gaining. And, what makes you think our present form of economy, gov't, etc is not forced? Aren't you forced to pay taxes now? Aren't you forced to make many decisions based on your survival now? A cooperative based on capitalism is nothing like communism or socialism or anything else everyone likes to throw into the discussion right now to justify their side. This is why I said it will require humanity working as a whole. If more people were "cooperative" than not, eventually the slackers would fall in line like the sheep they already are. They might even find they like it!!! And actually begin to be productive!!!!!
"All I know can be shown by your acceptance of the facts that are shown before you..."
Jesus Christ Oly....are you really going to go there? Now I'm not a cool guy? What makes a cool guy, Oly? That I support the views you or anyone else does? Do I seriously have to be an expert to see the evidence that I've seen, the trends that I've seen, etc. etc. etc. to be able to say any of what I've said? Are you an expert, dear sir? I doubt it.
What expertise do you have that you can support this. I have found that in every case, beliefs like this have everything to do with a hatred of government, Bush, USA, etc and nothing to do with common sense.
Have fun with the comments to follow.
And to think, I was actually starting to think you were a pretty cool guy.
And common sense...so now I'm stupid and one of these joe blows that spout off whatever trendy anti-gov't/USA speal that's going on right now? No... I don't like Bush. But, should I think you're not a cool guy because you do? This is called divide and conquer. Keep people divided and they are easier to manipulate. Keep watching the direction this country is going in. Maybe I'll see you in the prison camps, eh.
Yeah....there are things I hate about our gov't. Their are things I hate about our world. There are things I hate about myself. There might even be things I hate about you....but, then I don't know you well enough to say. Does this mean immediately we should choose sides of the fence and prepare to dual? No Oly...it doesn't. It means finding common ground. Something we can agree on and begin to work with. See what works for us all and what doesn't. THIS is why everything is the way is. AND, I'm NOT talking about Socialism, Communism, and all that garbage. That's never worked either. All for one and one for all, Oly. Like I said, the individual is important, but so is the community. It is very, very possible for people to think this way and still have a sound society living as comfortably....if not more comfortably...as we do now. I love completely the idea of America....our freedoms and promise of life and the pursuit of happiness. I just don't think there are people in our gov't that really, truly want that for us. Is that just impossible for you to consider?
"All I know can be shown by your acceptance of the facts that are shown before you..."
Well, I misunderstood the statement you made:
"Taxes would be distributed with largest percentage to those who made the largest percentage."
Kinda leads me to believe that you would have people who make more give more. Isn't always going to happen unless you make people do it...
I also never said that our system right now is perfect. I still think there needs to be a flat tax.
The problem is that humanity will never really work as a whole (as much as I'd like it to as well) it simply won't happen. That would require everyone to believe in the exact same ideology, and my simple move from Montana to Seattle has shown me that it won't happen. There are too many variables in life and humans are too complex. Life in Montana vs Seattle is vastly different, what works here would not work out there, same for the other way.
I used socialism, etc to make a point that, theoretically, they would work, but when practiced, they do not. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with most of your world view, but I simply think that is naive, sorry, no other way to put it. What you feel works for you doesn't always mean it would work for someone else.
Gone but not forgotten: 2004 Tacoma/2006 Fourwheel Camper<br /><br />ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ<br /><br />"Tyrants mistrust the people, hence they deprive them of arms."<br />- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)
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