You couldn't get a job at McDonald's - a great message

[fustercluck]

I still find it amusing that despite having created several screwups of monumental porportions that somehow the republicans can do no wrong and that the "left" is then always at fault. I simply don't buy that any more than the average American in the polls does at this point. There is not a snowball's chance that Palin would rival either Reagan or FDR and to even make that comparison is as completely absurd as it is outrageous. I could go on considerably but due to time constraints I'll hold off.

Hmmm. Well, if guilt by association is fair play again, then I prefer the associations of John McCain who share a free market ideology rather than the cheaters, racists, terrorists, liars, Socialists, Communists, frauds and all around anti-capitalists that seem to orbit Senator Obama.

But since guilt by association is only a strawman argument designed to make nebulous the real issue, I generally try to avoid pinning that tail on the Donkey. The really interesting question is whether Senator Obama is a Socialist or a Capitalist. If he is a Socialist, then his policies will destroy our society and economy one individual at a time. If he promotes a fusion of the two with 'the right people in power' to emulsify the mutually exclusive ideologies, then his failure will not be apparent for years, but is sure to surface as this latest economic correction has displayed the parasitic nature of socially engineering the lending sector of the economy. If he is a Capitalist, then he needs to research what that means and abandon the Robin Hood hero syndrome before he implodes more than just the banking sector of our free market.

I think he is a Socialist. His actions and words declare it with pride and ignorant hubris. He has been misguided by his mentors and associates. He has poisoned his mind with ideologies which remove from the individual his self suffiency and self worth. I cannot vote for a man like that. Even if John McCain blew a booger on his shirt and unwittingly paraded it for all to admire during the debates, I could still not vote for a Socialist (Obama).

[oly884]

I still find it amusing that despite having created several screwups of monumental porportions that somehow the republicans can do no wrong and that the "left" is then always at fault. I simply don't buy that any more than the average American in the polls does at this point.

Let's be honest, that argument is just as valid when the sides are flipped. Both parties have screwed us equally, granted, by different means. The dems are NO better than the repub's, is the housing problem not due, in part, to the democrats and left wing groups pushing for people who should NEVER have received financial support to actually get that support? What about the talk in the democratic party about bringing back a new "fairness doctrine"? Would that not destroy free speech, and pose a serious threat to everyone's freedom of speech?

Please don't take this as defending the republicans, they have a list of issues I can go through but lack the time.

[MTL_4runner]

Kevin, c'mon now. Just because a society has some aspects of socialism doesn't mean it equals anti-capitalism, you know better than that and it's not even close to that black and white. Communism (the extremist form of socialism) and pure capitalism cannot co-exist but there are a vast number of examples of countries with capitalist market systems and various levels of socialism in their societies which function just fine (perfect, no, but perfectly liveable, yes). Canada certainly has some socialist tendencies yet I don't hear people clamoring about going out and buying guns (and yes you can buy firearms in Canada) because the liberals (or even worse the NDP) might get elected, we'll lose all our freedoms and suddenly turn into a dictatorship. Clearly capitalism in its rawest form has some major flaws as well (ie human nature) which conflict with our expectations for stability in a modern society. I am advocating nothing more or less than a balance between capitalist markets and social programs and yes, it is achievable. I don't know what more to say on comparing Obama to terrorists, communists, frauds and all around anti-capitalists other than it's like recreating a McCarthy style witch hunt. I would have hoped for a little more progress after 50 years.

David, I totally agree with you.....both sides own this current financial mess.

[fustercluck]

Kevin, c'mon now. Just because a society has some aspects of socialism doesn't mean it equals anti-capitalism, you know better than that and it's not even close to that black and white. Communism (the extremist form of socialism) and capitalism cannot co-exist but there are a vast number of examples of countries with capitalist market systems and various levels of socialism in their societies which function just fine. Canada certainly has socialist tendencies yet I don't hear people clamoring about going out and buying guns (and yes you can buy firearms in Canada) because the liberals might get elected, we'll lose all our freedoms and suddenly turn into a dictatorship. Clearly capitalism in its rawest form has some major flaws as well (ie human nature) which conflict with our expectations for a modern society. Comparing Obama to terrorists, communists, frauds and all around anti-capitalists is like recreating a McCarthy style witch hunt. I would have hoped for a little more progress after 50 years.

David, I totally agree with you.....both sides own this current financial mess.

Cogent response immanent. Watching the debate...

[Robinhood4x4]

I still find it amusing that despite having created several screwups of monumental porportions that somehow the republicans can do no wrong and that the "left" is then always at fault.

It's the person, not the party. I don't care if a person is a democrat, a republican or an independent, I vote according to who holds the same opinions as I do. McCain is not Bush, nor is the republican party composed of Bush clones. McCain is not guilty by association.

[wifesaysimadumbass]

this should piss you off or maybe not

[Seanz0rz]

i like obama more than mcain. that however is not saying much.


sadly, i think he actually might be the antichrist... loved by most until the world ends... crap.

[wifesaysimadumbass]

hold on you heard Obama"s now famous comment about "spread the wealth" who in the hell gave him better insight to do with my money than i do. why can government never do with less?

[fustercluck]

Kevin, c'mon now. Just because a society has some aspects of socialism doesn't mean it equals anti-capitalism, you know better than that and it's not even close to that black and white. Communism (the extremist form of socialism) and capitalism cannot co-exist but there are a vast number of examples of countries with capitalist market systems and various levels of socialism in their societies which function just fine. Canada certainly has socialist tendencies yet I don't hear people clamoring about going out and buying guns (and yes you can buy firearms in Canada) because the liberals might get elected, we'll lose all our freedoms and suddenly turn into a dictatorship. Clearly capitalism in its rawest form has some major flaws as well (ie human nature) which conflict with our expectations for a modern society. Comparing Obama to terrorists, communists, frauds and all around anti-capitalists is like recreating a McCarthy style witch hunt. I would have hoped for a little more progress after 50 years.

David, I totally agree with you.....both sides own this current financial mess.

Cogent response immanent. Watching the debate...

Dang, I forgot about this thread. Now I don't remember what I was going to say....

[Small_words]

I don't trust that Palin has the intellectual depth to match her common sense approach. Biden is the consumate politican...blowhard, vain, and lacking any recognition of his mistakes. Obama is egocentric and would cozy up to a snake in order to succeed. McCain is tempestuous.

We'll be stuck with Obama/Biden and I sincerely hope the Republicans use the next four years to lambast the Democrats in Congress and take advantage of what will be four years of economic doldrums in order to make the case for a sensible conservative. The Democrats are right about soft power, but miss the boat because soft power is trade and they are constantly erecting barriers to trade because they're beholden to unions. How have the Republicans missed this point? How have the Democrats? They both have us squabbling over how in touch they are with our problems, whether this person is going to ban birth control, or this one is going to take away your guns. Our country's policies move like the tortoise, not the hare. No President can PERMANENTLY screw up our country. If that was possible, we wouldn't have made it through the rampant corruption of the 19th century. Relax people and pay attention to local elections because they affect us far more than Washington's squabbles.