Where do I find this out? the port is close enough that if ppl make that much $$ damn I'm gonna apply and do a major career change!Originally Posted by Whitey
Where do I find this out? the port is close enough that if ppl make that much $$ damn I'm gonna apply and do a major career change!
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I remember the port of LA strike very well b/c i was managing part of our family's export business. because "union brotherhood" dictated that they supported the clerical workers and initiate a general strike because they wanted to modernize (iirc) their old CHALKBOARD AND CHALK method of managing incoming/outgoing freight. They wanted to install computers and the dipsh#t union rep went on camera demanding job security for these 18th century skills having union brothers who were not equipped with modern day smarts and initiative to learn how to use a computer. seriously, in any other private, non-union industry, your ass would be fired for not knowing how to use a computer.
...betcha those people in the clerical union know how to turn on a computer and surf f'g porn like nobody's business.
yes, you bet i'm pissed about this because we lost tens of thousands in sales in 3 months because everyone at the port is entitled to a job, even if their skills are (supposedly) antiquated
and i recall from an article in the LA times that said a starting port worker makes in the 80K range. this is a person w/ a high school education. i mean sure, the job is dangerous, but 80k? and who pays? yes, the consumer. personally, i can't wait until somewhere along the CA or Mexican coast that they open a union-free port.
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Definitely an ambitious idea, but I imagine it would be a colossal logistics nightmare. Imagine the Mexican mafia picking off shipments coming into the mainland from the port.Baja port proposed to rival Los Angeles, Long Beach
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I remember seeing a union worker as a patient earlier in my career. I was astonished at how 'enabled' this woman was. She had NOT been working the assembly line, at the local GM plant, for over 6 months due to various health issues. Anyway, she was looking for a dentist to 'excuse' her from work for the previous 2 months due to an abcessed tooth. Long story short, after I declined, I ended up talking to her union representative head, and was informed that they could NOT do anything about this woman because of the union rules. If the greed of man has tied the hands of the unions to the point of this kind of exploitation of the rules, I say let them go down.
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i work a union job, we work hard and definately have skills but the union bulls@#t is ridiculous! we have so many rules that create work for other job classifications. perfect example; i work on gas metering equipment. i can tear down an entire assembly but, the one high pressure valve i cant touch because that's this other dudes job. so i tear it all down and rebuild it but if that one little part leaks guess what the other guy has to come and tear it all down again just to change that valve. this type of crap kills me but i just keep my head down and keep working!!!
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don't even get me started on unions, especially the UAW
i worked directly with the UAW and every day i was more amazed that such an organization was allowed to exist. since i was an engineer and thus not on the union, i was not allowed to do ANY physical labor. if i need a BOLT brought up to my desk to look at it and design something using it, i had to call an overpaid group leader to bring it up. i would maybe see it the next day and maybe it would be the right bolt. i knew exactly where that bolt was down in the tool crib.
i went out to the floor and picked up a piece of tooling to measure it to design something for it (im legally allowed to do this) and got my head bitten off by a union guy for "stealing his job". this happened all the freakin time. heaven forbid i do anything but lower my head and nod to this guy or the UAW would be on my back and between fighting with the UAW or firing a single employee, who do you think the company is going to choose?
at any given time during the day i'd walk through the floor and see 5 union guys napping with their feet kicked up on a desk with one person turning a wrench. i'd walk outside and see 10 guys smoking and talking.
the plant used to be home to over 20000 people and was the ONLY place where engines were built and tested. now we build TWO engines there. everything else is assembled and tested at various other NON-UNION locations. thousands of square feet of building space are now abandoned or storage and tens (maybe even hundreds) of test cells are permanently locked up. then the union guys complain about the lack of work and "outsourcing" when really the work is being "outsourced" to AMERICAN workers at AMERICAN plants that don't have to put up with union bullshit. they're shooting themselves in the foot and don't even know it.
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Exactly. I experienced somewhat of the same, but not the physical labor part. We were listening to union reps talk about job security in light of certain proposals that the company might enact due to a rail derailment here in CA where it was found that the union rail worker was on the job too long. not all, but the majority of union guys manipulate the system to make sure that the next shift they work, they are on over or doubletime. its as simple as not taking your break because you were working, but taking them at the end of the day so that your unfinished 1/2 hour would be in, guess what, overtime territory! so every hour after that is OT. thats not hard work, thats straight up bull(Bobby watch your mouth!)...t that sinks the company because it increases labor costs, which in most companies, is the #1 greatest expense.
oh, and dont get me started on the union cry baby tactic of filing a grievance. some of these guys...lets just say they are intellectually challenged. so they can't stand up for themselves when confronted, so they file a cry baby union grievance against you. again, like you said, its better for your manager to acquiesce than to fight the entire union. they all act/talk tough about handling things man to man, but as i've been told, if they dont get their way, they file grievances.
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i was told at my company, one straight up manager got so fed up with this sh#t that he'd drive to work sites to spot check if people were truly working or not. as it was told to me, the majority of the time right after lunch (1-3pm), he'd catch most crews just sleeping their equus asinus' off. in fact, the joke in my company is that between 1 and 3pm, its called "radio silence"
its the entitlement mentality. the union bosses say that you have job security, pay your union dues, and we'll protect you, blah, blah, blah. thats great and all when the company makes tons of money, but in lean times, it acts as a drain on the company's ability to quickly lay off workers who are non-essential but still are accountable for paying benefits. so in the eyes of the union, paying salary to only its union bretheren is job #1, not the survival of the company.
0h, thats great news that the work is being done in non-union shops. and im sure the quality is better too.
again, this is not a condemnation of people per se, but what unions can *do* to people. we all know people who work jobs who are forced to be in unions. case in point: my friend who is a cop. he busts his equus asinus, probably to the detriment to his own social life and marriage. but he loves the job, but loathes the union for all the cry baby union hand wringing and forcing him to vote in favor for things that do nothing but to create organizational anarchy and divisiveness.
go getters are beaten down into "playing by the rules" and therefore lose the incentive to improve upon one's self and their position. naive, outdated seniority rules are backwards equus asinus social promotion programs that dont take into account the quality of work or the quality of the worker's character. i know of a certain person on TOF who opined for the days when the union seniority rule would kick in so he'd get preference in getting hired first. but in the meantime, he cried like a little ******* because, quite frankly, he learned the hard way that hauling pallets from point A to point B in the REAL WORLD paid jack s##t, as it really should. its not a skilled position. and i believe most people are ok with paying a person who has tangible, hard to earn skills, that those people shoud be paid. mostly those in technical fields, for example.
ok, rant over.
My grandfather and uncle ran a plating business outside Chicago. He started it in the 40's and was terrified that the Teamsters would get their hooks in him and he'd be toast. Lucky guy was able to keep the unions out by paying every guy $5 more per hour than union wages dictated. It hurt his bottom line, but he never had to deal with strikes or poor productivity. Incidentally, he was a union pipe fitter and he couldn't stand the unions, but it was Chicago...when things were REALLY corrupt.
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