Who is your post directed at?Originally Posted by Bighead
Who is your post directed at?Originally Posted by Bighead
Gone but not forgotten: 2004 Tacoma/2006 Fourwheel Camper<br /><br />ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ<br /><br />"Tyrants mistrust the people, hence they deprive them of arms."<br />- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)
Well, I've got a shotgun too that can be used as a HD gun. However, given my layout, my familiarity with my AR, and my EOTech sight on it, I choose to use that. Plus, my shotgun has had a few issues, and while they are fixed now, I still prefer to go with a far more reliable firearm.Originally Posted by reggie 00
Gone but not forgotten: 2004 Tacoma/2006 Fourwheel Camper<br /><br />ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ<br /><br />"Tyrants mistrust the people, hence they deprive them of arms."<br />- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)
The 2nd Amendment guarantees us the right to bear arms. What the motivation of the authors of the Bill of Rights were in writing this amendment to our Constitution isn’t what I’m trying to get at. Our right to carry weapons has been eroded because we are not allowed to carry fully automatic weapons. Several of you have said that chemical weapons aren’t pertinent to this discussion because they are banned by international treaties. The US has signed this treaty which has infringed upon our rights to carry weapons. So, we’ve given up some of our rights to carry weapons and so far I haven’t seen anyone say that we should be allowed to have chemical weapons. So, you’re okay with banning some weapons but not others.
The Constitution, so far as I know, does not say it is permissible to remove a person’s rights. So, why do we not allow felons to buy a gun? We’ve removed their right to both buy a gun and participate in the democratic process. Is this fair? We’ve all committed crimes but no one advocates taking away your right to purchase a gun because you have speeding tickets. The difference is one of degree. Committing one crime means you’ve shown yourself to be irresponsible and therefore can’t own a gun but committing another one doesn’t have the same ramification.
It’s hypocrisy to say that the 2nd Amendment guarantees me the right to carry any and all weapons if you are okay with preventing any other person from buying and carrying a weapon. There are no absolutes.
I certainly didn’t say that banning guns was a good idea and agree that this would only make us more vulnerable to criminals because they would still carry. The Brits haven’t had much success with banning guns and actually have higher violent crime statistics than we. Oly, what made you conclude that I want to ban guns?
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Around my house a hand cannon would not be effective at solving home invasion issues. I would prefer a short barreled shotgun.
Around camp, a hand cannon is a lot more usable for home invasion.
I am struggling to create a defense of those weapons that extends beyond the coolness. For instance, I think an AR15, especially looking at some of the modified and accuracy dialed ones, is a sweet weapon.
The rub for me is people as what I would use that for, as in me personally. I'd rather buy a bunch of other weapons before that and personally have Zero use for one. As a result, I went through my mental check list as to why others wanted them, hence me asking you guys, hey, why do you want and have these?
It sounds like some have them because they are cool.
It sounds like some have them because it is a right.
It sounds like some have them because they feel it is important to be prepared.
It sounds like some have them because they are the right tool for some jobs.
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Sorry to confuse,Originally Posted by oly884
Wasn't calling out your choice, just wanted anyone who read the thread to know there are other choices.
If for some reason the shot gun doesnt handle business, the M4 is next up to bat, followed by a 20g with 00,then......
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Ban onions, that’s funny. Yes, we must ban them; we must do it for the children.
Some time ago I was not very concerned with the AW ban, might have even supported it but never gave it much thought. I enjoy target shooting and believe in the right to own and bear arms. I don’t hunt, wish I did but I don’t, everyone that eats meat should, but that’s another subject.
Today my thinking is very different. If I want an assault rifle to defend myself, target shoot/plink with, or just to keep for a rainy day I believe I have the right to do so. I believe you as a sane non-felon can do so as well. Although most of my experience is with long guns I have developed a recent affinity to pistols primarily due to their portability and concealment advantages. Don’t really want an evil black gun but I would like a Mini14 or M1A someday, last Brady list I saw had those on the AWB list.
So I’ll concede to not being able to have fully auto but I draw the line at the semi-auto. Once they take one semi auto it won’t be long before they take them all, black, blue, green, pink…. So I believe the slippery slope thing is true. Bring in the 2A arguments and that the bans don’t affect criminals and think it’s clear where we need to mark and hold the line. Most people here seem to be saying something similar.
I have taken some defensive firearms training classes and believe that training is much more important than selection of equipment or caliber. Knowing what to do with what you have is far more important than the incremental difference in modern semi-auto firearms. I look forward to more advanced training more than the next hardware purchase. So yes we have a right to own the evil black rifle if we want but we also have to know how to use it proficiently and responsibly.
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I was the same way till i ran out of other things to get, then i picked one up.Originally Posted by Cheese
Originally Posted by Cheese
'83 Truck 4x4 - 4" lift, downey header,, lots of stickers.<br />'90 Runner $600 project ,32's on black Steelies,Optima Red Top, 1.5" Balljoint Spacers, 80 series Coils, Sleeping/Storage Platform extravaganza<br /><br />You know enough to be dangerous, get out the way before you break something i can't fix- Pops
Small_words, I apologize if I inferred that I thought you wanted to ban guns, when you said you made the comment about civilians owning a .50 cal sniper rifle, I interpereted that you felt that there was no need for one to own one.Originally Posted by Small_words
Gone but not forgotten: 2004 Tacoma/2006 Fourwheel Camper<br /><br />ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ<br /><br />"Tyrants mistrust the people, hence they deprive them of arms."<br />- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)
Adrian's initial post.
Originally Posted by oly884
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Lance, did the response make sense?
I guess the first post was not entirely clear.
The conversation turned to these, by saying that "I didn't understand" there was not an implicit judgment that the guns were inherently useless. It is that I do not have them, so it is hard for me to talk about. Similarly, parenthood and childbirth, I can only talk about what others tell me.
I don't think they are evil, I do often think they look menacing, but so do I some times, no worries.
I have not become a crazy hippy while away at school.
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