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Thread: 2013 4Runner due for a face lift?

  1. #21
    I'm with you, Lance. I'd take a 70 series troopy over anything Toyota offers in the U.S. I do like the 100 series though, and I would seriously consider buying one.

    This is kinda off-topic, but here's what I think Toyota should do:

    -Keep the Land Cruiser, but drop the price.
    -Ditch the Sequoia. The new Highlander is already larger than the previous Highlander and fits the cross-over trend that manufactures are going towards.
    -Keep the Highlander. The new larger model is a good step I think, and should offer better competition to the Chevy Traverse/GMC Acadia/Buick Enclave, Dodge Durango, and Ford Explore. The larger Highlander would pretty much replace the Sequoia.
    -Create a new FJ Cruiser with removable top and with 2 door and 4 door options. Basically a Toyota version of the Jeep Wrangler.
    -Ditch the 4Runner. Sorry. Maybe they could just sell a rebadged Prado and call it a 4Runner. Or offer the Toyota Fortuner here in the states.
    -Keep the Rav4
    -Bring the 70 series Land Cruiser here, at least just the troop carrier and pickup version (whatever that's called). Main target would be contractors.
    -Offer diesel engines in all variants.

    I dunno. Anyways, I'm curious to see what the revised 5th gen has to offer.
    Last edited by DHC6twinotter; 04-18-2013 at 08:13 PM.
    -Daniel2000 4Runner Sport | V6 | 5spd | 4x4 | Leather | 265/75-16 BFG AT/KO | OBA | BudBuilt front skid

    1990 4Runner SR5 | V6 | Auto | 2wd | 3.90 rear | Cobra CB | 265/65r17 Bridgestone Duelers H/Ts | '08 Tacoma 5 spoke rims | Has an 11:1 crawl ratio! SOLD

  2. #22
    The 5th gen really isn't getting the love from road test editors nor from the people that bought them. I love my 3rd gen and have no desire for anything else, but the 98-07 Land Cruiser is one vehicle I would like to plastic-wrap and put in storage somewhere for later in life.

  3. #23
    I am going to rant a little bit here...

    Unfortunately majority of American are fat and lazy and want comfort and convenience and tons of options, cause lets face it, who wants to be copying off there neighbor (piss poor example but hopefully you get the Idea).
    Hence why there line is going in the direction its going, we are lucky enough to even have a Trail Edition of the 4Runner.

    Lance I agree with you completely, Toyota has way to many options however Toyota was fine when the had just the Rav4, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser.
    But then they had to start filling gaps that the other companies were doing and ended up with the mess they have now.

    I am surprised Toyota still even has the current Land Cruiser with a Toyota badge and hasn't ditched it completely and left it to the Lexus line, at the price tag it has, they don't sell much at all, plus all the luxury features, it more a home then a truck.
    -They don't even offer it with a rear locker anymore, I believe Lance's gen is the last Gen in the US to offer one with the rear locker -Now its all computers, downhill assist, crawl setting, a-trac, adjustable ride height, etc, when I scan a LC for codes, I am reading minimum 25 different computers
    -Larger Rims less tires

    What I see the future of the American Land Cruiser
    -All Time 4WD with center diff lock, NO low range.
    -No lockers or additional off-road 'functions', but possibly different drive modes like a Range Rover has...
    -Bigger Rims less tires

    Toyota should have gone back to the original Rav4, 4Runner, Sequoia, and Land Cruiser.

    My thoughts on the whole line.
    -Keep the Land Cruiser, but offer a base model with a manual t-case, locker, cloth seats
    -Ditch the Venza, they already have the Highlander and Rav4 for the cross over category.
    -Replace the Venza with the station wagon version of the Camry offered elsewhere and offer and AWD option.
    -You have to keep the Sequoia to compete with such vehicles as the Tahoe/Suburban, Expedition, Escalade, Etc in that Category. The Sequoia has always been the soccer mom vehicle, for the families that want more room.
    -Dan I agree with you Create a new FJ Cruiser with removable top and with 2 door and 4 door options. Basically a Toyota version of the Jeep Wrangler. But if its going to compete add a solid front axle, if not they should drop the line like they originally planned too in 2010.
    -Keep the 4Runner, but downsize it a bit, It looks good, it drives great (the limited edition reminds me of the Sequoia and the LC...)
    -Diesel option for all would be great, a lot of companies are going diesel now, Toyota just needs to take there existing engines and engineer them for our emissions standards, most likely wont happen for a while do to the fact they R&D the Hybrid Drives more.

    Dan, I can't see them bringing the Pick up version of the 70 over, they already have the Tacoma and the Tundra, and I could also see Toyota turning the regular 70 series into there version of the G Wagon Mercedes has, and then again we will have an over priced Land Cruiser.

    And Dan we already have the Prado = Lexus Gx and Fortuner = 4Runner over here, according to the research I have done. The only advantage of the Prado is to get a 2 door version, but since thats still under the Lexus badge that just isn't going to happen or again be WAY overpriced.

    Stick to the original Rav4, 4Runner, Sequoia, and LC, just make slight refinements to get them out of the mixed categories with everyone else.

    I can't wait to see the redesign, and I would still buy another 4Runner, but I am one person out of the whole US market...

    Sorry for the rant -_-

  4. #24
    Tl;dr.

    Seriously though, the current land cruiser needs to go Lexus only (200 series), they need to bring the GX (prado in other markets) down to Toyota as an LC. Give it locking diffs, etc. Everything a traditionalist expects a Land Cruiser to be.

    Kill the Sequoia. It's awful.

    Keep the Highlander. It is doing a great job at whatever it does. Maybe add a LWB variant? The Rav4 is a great vehicle too, so keep that.

    2 options exist at this point:
    Take the 4Runner and put it on a copier at 85%. It needs to be less wide, with taller windows. Make it compete with the Jeep Grand Cherokee in the offroad dept. with lots of toys, but also available as a more basic model. Kill the FJ Cruiser.

    OR keep the current 4Runner, fix some of it's shortcomings. Move the FJC to compete with the Wrangler with removable top/doors and aim it at the hardcore offroaders. SFA isnt necessary, most people have realized that a good IFS setup will go 90% of the places. Maybe do a factory long or midtravel setup to set it apart from the wrangler.

    That's alot of what you said. The diesel options will never happen. Here, diesel is more expensive than regular, so that isn't a great option anyway. A diesel in the Tundra is a must! if Toyota doesn't do that, they will never gain traction in the pickup market.

    The 70 will never come. It is already an ancient vehicle. We dream of them but I'm sure if we saw one and drove it, we'd be pining for all of the creature comforts we are used to now.

    edit, I forget Toyota calls the Venza a crossover. what a joke! Kill that with fire and offer a Camry wagon! kill the Matrix as well and offer a proper Corolla wagon too!
    Last edited by Seanz0rz; 04-24-2013 at 06:13 PM.
    2005 Lexus LX470 - Stock for now...

    1998 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6 4x4 + a bunch of goodies. Lifted, Locked, Illuminated and Armored. Winner,"Best Offroad Truck" - 2010 Pismo Jamboree. It's been upside down and still drives me to work.

  5. #25
    All good points.

    I forgot about the Venza. I didn't realize it was classified as a crossover. I always thought of them as sort of a Camry wagon.

    I would love to see a cheaper Land Cruiser, and it would make a good replacement for the Sequoia. It would work well for anybody wanting a large body-on-frame SUV for towing duties, but I think the new, larger Highlander will suffice for most soccer-mom duties.

    The only reason I thought about re-badged Prado was to save costs. I'd rather see a re-badged Prado than the 4Runner line completely dropped. And, if Toyota were to offer a 4 door FJ-Cruiser with removable top, I think many of us would opt to drive one of those over a new 4Runner. However, a re-badged Prado would be a cheap way for Toyota to offer a capable vehicle for those of us who may want a more plush ride than a 4 door FJ-Cruiser. It may compete fairly well with the Grand Cherokee.

    I agree, the 70 series is a stretch. I can dream though. The only way I see it being a possibility is if Toyota brings it over after a complete redesign. I don't think the current 70 series would fare very well with our safety standards.

    The Camry has become pretty bloated car over the years. I'd like to see Toyota bring the Avensis and Avensis Wagon to the U.S. I'm not really a fan of any of the cars in Toyota's lineup. The Corolla is too small, and the Camry is too big. The Avensis is just right, with the size falling between Corolla and Camry. And it would compete well with the Nissan Altima. It's a good looking car too.

    Anyways, just my $.02.
    Last edited by DHC6twinotter; 04-24-2013 at 07:17 PM.
    -Daniel2000 4Runner Sport | V6 | 5spd | 4x4 | Leather | 265/75-16 BFG AT/KO | OBA | BudBuilt front skid

    1990 4Runner SR5 | V6 | Auto | 2wd | 3.90 rear | Cobra CB | 265/65r17 Bridgestone Duelers H/Ts | '08 Tacoma 5 spoke rims | Has an 11:1 crawl ratio! SOLD

  6. #26
    Oh god no... Bling Rims.....


  7. #27
    eat your heart out guys...

    http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases...d+heritage.htm

    TORRANCE, Calif., April 27, 2013 - - For nearly three decades, the Toyota 4Runner mid-size SUV has been a stalwart for off-roading enthusiasts seeking a SUV with rugged, go-anywhere capability. Currently in its fifth-generation, 4Runner continues as one of the few fully capable mid-size SUVs, and the redesigned 2014 4Runner receives a rugged new exterior design, and interior refinements that add comfort and convenience without sacrificing its hallmark performance capability and excellent value.

    The 4Runner combines rugged body-on-frame construction with comprehensive suspension technology that yields optimal off-road capability with a smooth ride and comfort more often associated with crossovers. The 2014 4Runner is available in three grades: a well-equipped, value-driven SR5; top-of-the-line Limited, and a Trail grade for those who want maximum off-road capability. Optional third-row seats on SR5 and Limited allow for up to seven-person capacity.

    4Runner owners will have the choice of a rear wheel 4x2, part-time 4x4 or a full-time multi-mode 4x4 with a locking center differential. All models are equipped with a powerful 4.0-liter, 270-horsepower V6 teamed to a five-speed ECT-i automatic transmission and one of the few vehicles that continues offer a transfer case.

    4Runner’s Rugged Exterior Design Projects Its Off-Road Heritage With a Premium Refinement
    The refreshed 4Runner features a redesigned front fascia that conveys a more rugged and aggressive appearance. This includes a muscular front grille, and edgier smoked headlamps for a more forceful look. The SR5 and Trail grades feature a color-keyed grille insert and front bumper that is surrounded by fog lamps set in sharply cut inlays that extend from the headlamps down to the bumper.

    The Trail grade features new color-keyed bumpers and overfenders, and it continues to be distinguished by an aggressive hood scoop and silver painted front and rear bumper accents. All grades are now standard with a roof rack.

    In addition to the distinctive new grille, the premium Limited’s front design stands apart with a chrome-plated grille insert and chrome front bumper that extends to the fog-lamp bezels. The side molding, roof rack and rear bumper are also chrome trimmed. The headlamps have also changed from halogen to projector beam, with both the headlamps and redesigned rear combination lamps on all 4Runner grades now featuring LED lamps.

    Both the SR5 and Trail grades will ride on 17-inch alloy wheels with a new wheel-design for both, while the Limited continues to ride on 20-inch alloy wheels, which are now painted black prior to machining to add contrast. All grades continue to come standard with a full-size spare.

    The 2014 4Runner will be available in eight exterior colors that include new additions: Super White; Attitude Black Metallic; Barcelona Red Metallic; and Nautical Blue Metallic. They will join carryover colors that include: Blizzard Pearl; Classic Silver Metallic; Magnetic Gray Metallic; and Black.

    The 4Runner exterior updates are complemented by touches of refinement on the inside. Both the SR5 and Trail grade add standard Soft Touch door trim, and a leather-wrapped steering wheel and leather shift knob provide a premium feel and atmosphere.

    The SR5 receives a new bright and highly visible Optitron instrument panel that houses speedometer, tachometer, voltage, fuel and coolant temperature gauges, plus a multi-information display that offers multiple functions. An Eco-Driving feedback system allows the driver to monitor fuel consumption in real time. On 4Runner Trail, an overhead console within easy reach organizes the off-road control switches into one location. A compass indicator and outside temperature display add functionality. A manually controlled air conditioning system is standard on SR5 and Trail grades; the Limited features an automatic dual-zone climate-control system.

    For second-row passengers, a sculpted front seat-back shape provides additional knee space. The second-row seats, which include a center armrest, individually recline up to 16 degrees in four steps for relaxing passenger comfort. The 40/20/40 second-row seat configuration also has a one-touch walk-in function, making access to the third row easier. Third-row seating is available on SR5 and Limited grades and features a roomy, supportive seating area.

    The SR5 and Trail grade come standard with comfortable fabric-trimmed seating available in Sand Beige, Graphite or Black. Available SofTex seats offer a soft, rich feel. New for 2014, the SR5 adds a standard eight-way power driver seat.

    The Limited comes standard with a leather-trimmed interior with new ventilated driver and front passenger seats in Sand Beige, Black and a new Redwood color. Front seats are also heated with eight-way power-adjustable driver’s seat with power lumbar support and four-way power-adjustable passenger seat. Both front seats are now standard with memory settings.

    Powerful 4.0-liter V6 Helps Take 4Runner Anyplace, Anytime
    The 4Runner 4.0-liter V6 generates 270 horsepower and 278 lb.-ft. of torque. Dual independent Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i) optimizes torque across the engine’s operating range. Fuel economy ratings rival some crossover SUVs with an EPA-estimated 17 mpg city and 23 mpg highway for 4x2 models, and 17 mpg city and 22 mpg highway for 4x4. Maximum towing capacity is 5,000 pounds and all vehicles feature an integrated tow-hitch receiver and wiring harness as standard equipment.

    4Runner Balances Full Off-Road Capability with Smooth Around-town Handling
    A double-wishbone independent front suspension, combined with a variable-flow rack-and-pinion steering, help give the 4Runner precise control on demanding roads. Coil springs over gas shocks are used at all four wheels for a comfortable ride and controlled handling. The four-link rear suspension maximizes off-road axle articulation, whileproviding a smooth ride for rear-seat passengers on and off pavement.

    The Limited grade comes standard with an X-REAS suspension system that further improves performance, comfort and control. With X-REAS, 4Runner corners flatter, smoother, and handles choppy pavement more easily. X-REAS automatically adjusts the damping force of shocks when driving over bumpy surfaces or when cornering. The system uses a center control absorber to cross-link shocks on opposite corners of the vehicle, substantially reducing pitch and yaw by offsetting opposing inputs.

    The 4Runner SR5 and Trail 4x4 models have a two-speed, part-time four-wheel-drive system with neutral position, maximizing fuel efficiency when a 4x4 configuration isn’t needed. The 4Runner Limited is equipped with a full-time, four-wheel-drive system with a locking center differential and a three-mode, center console-mounted switch.

    The A-TRAC traction control system is standard equipment on all 4x4 models. The system can distribute driving force to any one wheel in contact with the ground, making terrain irregularities and slippery patches virtually transparent to the driver. An electronic-locking rear differential is standard on the Trail grade.

    The Trail grade is designed to maximize off-road performance with superior approach and departure angles, high ground clearance, and an array of functional upgrades for the most demanding active outdoor enthusiast. The Trail grade offers an optional Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (KDSS). KDSS significantly improves terrain-following ability by dynamically disconnecting stabilizer bars to allow for more axle travel, and better suspension articulation in slow, difficult terrain.

    Toyota’s Crawl Control (CRAWL) feature is standard on the Trail grade. The system helps maintain an appropriate speed to keep the vehicle under control and minimizes the load on drivetrain and suspension components.

    With the transfer case shifted into low range, CRAWL regulates engine speed and output (along with braking force), to propel the vehicle forward or in reverse at one of the five driver-selectable low-speed settings. This allows the driver to maintain focus on steering over rough level ground or steep grades without having to also modulate the throttle or brake pedal.

    The Trail grade also features a Multi-Terrain Select system that dials in wheel-slip control to match the terrain. In loose terrain such as mud and sand, more-than-normal wheel slip is permitted, allowing wheel-spin to work in the vehicle’s favor. On bumpy moguls, or solid rock, wheel slip is minimized and the system acts more like a limited slip differential. The Mogul setting is for any extremely uneven terrain, such as V-ditches, slopes, and ridges, uphill or down.

    All models come standard with Hill-start Assist Control (HAC), which provides additional control for off-road driving by helping to hold the vehicle stationary before starting on a steep incline or slippery surface. All 4Runner 4x4 models feature standard Downhill Assist Control (DAC). This feature augments the low-speed ascending ability of low-range by helping to hold the vehicle, allowing time for the driver to a target speed with no driver intervention.

    Versatility and Convenience Provide Comfort and Utility
    An array of convenience features and versatile seating configurations provide the 2014 4Runner with ample passenger comfort and utility. Fold-flat second-row seats provide a level load floor in the 4Runner, and it is not necessary to remove the headrests to fold the seats flat. The available third-row seat is split 50/50 and folds flat. The seats can be folded from the side or at the rear, using separate one-touch levers. With this arrangement, more cargo space is available without removing seats, and longer items can be conveniently carried.

    A Smart Key system featuring keyless entry with push-button start is standard on the Limited grade. The system allows the driver to unlock or start the vehicle by carrying the keyless remote. The cargo door window has jam control, like the moonroof and power side windows.

    An available pull-out cargo deck is capable of carrying up to 440 pounds to make loading and unloading heavy items easier and to provide seating for tailgating and campsite relaxation.

    All 4Runner models come standard with a 120V outlet and two additional 12V outlets.

    A front and rear clearance sonar system is standard on Limited models, and a rear-view backup camera is now standard on all 4Runner models. The system displays in the audio screen, increasing visibility at the rear of the vehicle.

    New Audio Systems Include Standard Entune Multimedia System
    New for 2014 on SR5 and Trail grade 4Runner models is Entune™ Audio Plus, which includes Toyota’s Entune multimedia system, an AM/FM/MP3 CD player with eight speakers, integrated SiriusXM™ Satellite Radio (includes 90-day trial subscription), USB port with iPod connectivity, and Bluetooth® hands-free phone capability and music streaming.

    Standard on the Limited grade is the new Entune Premium JBL Audio system, which incorporates today’s most in-demand connectivity features. It includes the Entune multimedia system, a JBL® premium sound system with navigation, SiriusXM Satellite Radio (with a 90-day trial subscription), HD Radio with iTunes® tagging and 15 speakers. The navigation system includes a large seven-inch monitor.

    Entune is a collection of popular mobile applications and data services, with three years of complimentary access. Once a smart phone is connected to the vehicle using Bluetooth wireless technology or a USB cable, Entune’s features are operated using the vehicle’s controls or, for some services, by voice recognition. Entune offers mobile apps for Bing™, iHeartRadio, MovieTickets.com, OpenTable®, and Pandora®. Entune data services include a fuel price guide, sports scores, stocks, traffic and weather.

    Standard on all audio systems is a unique “party mode” audio setting that is ideal for tailgating, raises bass response and shifts sound balance to the rear of the vehicle. Party mode is in addition bolstered by rear liftgate-mounted speakers, which function with or without party mode selected. The pole antenna has been dropped in favor of a new in-glass antenna.

    Toyota’s Exclusive Star Safety System, Eight Standard Airbags, Safety Connect
    The 4Runner features Toyota’s standard Star Safety System™ that includes Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) with traction control (TRAC), an Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD), Brake Assist (BA), and Smart Stop Technology (SST) brake-override system. VSC helps the driver to ensure control by compensating for front and rear wheel slip. The system uses selective braking and modulated engine output to help keep the vehicle in line with the driver’s steering inputs. On 4x2 vehicles, the Auto LSD (Limited Slip Differential) system allows for better traction on slippery sections of roadway. The four-wheel ABS with EBD provides the 4Runner with optimal brake proportioning, regardless of vehicle load.

    Eight standard airbags includes front, side-mounted and knee airbags for the driver and front passenger, and side-curtain airbags for the second and third rows. All 2014 4Runners have active headrests for driver and passenger, and three-point seat belts for all seats.

    The 2014 4Runner Limited offers the Safety Connect™ telematics system. Available by subscription, with or without the optional navigation system, Safety Connect offers four safety and security features: Automatic Collision Notification, Stolen Vehicle Location, Emergency Assistance Button (SOS), and Roadside Assistance. When Safety Connect is ordered, it includes a one-year trial subscription.

    In case of either airbag deployment or severe rear-end collision, an Automatic Collision Notification system is designed to automatically call a dedicated response center. If a response agent cannot communicate with the occupants, the agent can contact the nearest emergency-services provider to dispatch assistance.

    Pushing the in-vehicle “SOS” button allows drivers to reach the response center to request help in an emergency as well as for a wide range of roadside assistance needs. If a 4Runner equipped with Safety Connect is stolen, agents can work with local authorities to help locate and recover the vehicle.

    4Runner Includes Toyota Care Complimentary Maintenance
    Toyota’s 36-month/36,000 mile basic new-vehicle warranty applies to all components other than normal wear and maintenance items. Additional 60-month warranties cover powertrain for 60,000 miles and corrosion with no mileage limitation. The 4Runner will also come standard with Toyota Careä, a complimentary plan covering normal factory-scheduled maintenance and 24-hour roadside assistance for two years or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first.
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  8. #28
    What a let down. Terrible, terrible design. Toyota needs to find somebody else to design the 4Runner.

    I'm really surprised Toyota didn't throw in the A760 6spd auto.

    I do like those wheels and the lights. The availability of beige interior on the Trail model is nice, and the gauge cluster looks pretty good. Otherwise, it's horrible. I don't think I'll ever buy one.

    Well, hopefully the 6th gen is better.
    Last edited by DHC6twinotter; 04-27-2013 at 08:21 PM.
    -Daniel2000 4Runner Sport | V6 | 5spd | 4x4 | Leather | 265/75-16 BFG AT/KO | OBA | BudBuilt front skid

    1990 4Runner SR5 | V6 | Auto | 2wd | 3.90 rear | Cobra CB | 265/65r17 Bridgestone Duelers H/Ts | '08 Tacoma 5 spoke rims | Has an 11:1 crawl ratio! SOLD

  9. #29
    A face even a mother couldn't love...

    I'm with Dan, wheels look great, headlights are a huge improvement and the tail lights are OK. They still stick out, which is unfortunate.

    bleh...
    2005 Lexus LX470 - Stock for now...

    1998 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6 4x4 + a bunch of goodies. Lifted, Locked, Illuminated and Armored. Winner,"Best Offroad Truck" - 2010 Pismo Jamboree. It's been upside down and still drives me to work.

  10. #30
    Did you notice the 4wd manual selector in one of the photos?



    I didn't know they had that for the 5th gen... Unless it's just for the 2014?

    Either way I'm not really digging the changes....
    Lance
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